Not a suggestion so much as it is a concern.

So I love the not-miss-a-thing camera stuff that Europe/Non-ESEA stuff has, but I'm not a huge fan of the auto-camera thing. I think there's a much more personal touch that a manned-camera operation has, especially with things pertaining to casted games.

No bot will be able to frame the gameplay into a story that matches a caster's calls. That's something that you have to watch out for with this sort of thing. I learned first-hand at GXL that "capture everything on the killfeed best I can" isn't always the best approach. It leads to some jagged transitions (for example, spectating BLU's flank getting picks then switching over to watch RED's pocket hit an airshot).

That combined with the eventual predictability of it are why I'm not the biggest fan. This is shown more in HL than anything else. "Oh the camera switched to him, what will he do... oh nice (backstab/headshot/airshot)"

Production has come a long way in the past year, and the cheat feed is absolutely amazing for capturing the biggest of plays. But I honestly like watching camerawork that's unassisted by the cheat feed more, it's much more unpredictable. I'm watching a tf2 game, not a frag video.

Who knows, I may be completely wrong and this will be absolutely amazing. And maybe you're targeting it as something not to replace the human camerawork but to supplement it. Regardless, best of luck in the project. I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.

edit: just saw the "multiple perspectives" thing that i somehow missed first time over. i am now even more hypee

not too pricey considering it comes with everything you could need, and he'll set your server up with pretty much anything you ask for for no cost. there's fast dl on all the servers, and pretty decent ping.

i used to use tragic for my tf2 and minecraft servers. i've switched to nfo for tf2 recently because of some mumble server deals (i needed a 100 slot mumble), but my experience was a very very good one with tragic.

you can get all versions of mumble off of sourceforge

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/files/Mumble/1.2.4/

just make sure not to "accept" any toolbars and you'll be kosher

That's what I'm saying is the issue to me. I still don't have a reason why it's objectively better.

I quite like the spawn times. As do other players that don't come to this thread. The issue with the map-change/_pro threads is that the majority of people that post on them are people that very much dislike the map. This is why you see inane changes being made based off subjective hoopla all the time. It's why you don't see a whole lot of _pro maps in the rotations.

My point isn't that your opinion of granary are incorrect. But they are your opinions of the map. Which is why it urks me that it's being released as "cp_granary_pro" and not "cp_granary_dagger". The pro should mean fixing things that are 100% completely bad such as broken sightlines, fps issues, splash issues, etc. Not whatever a small group of players feels will make the map "flow better".

Just like you can say I'm being ignorant for thinking what I think, I could call you ignorant for assuming that my reasons are. If you want to discuss the map, please do so in a way that doesn't assume I'm an idiot that has no clue what he's talking about.

Maybe JUST MAYBE if you wipe late on mid and the other team has enough people up to cap the point and send people to stack second you deserve to lose the round.

Which is probably why it works out so well that the spawn times on the map are the way that they are.

I'd like to reiterate that I don't dislike everything about this map, but there are a lot of changes that have been made that a lot of people see as simply unnecessary or even a step backwards.

I'm not sure what "it has better flow" means. I'm not sure you know what it means.

Those are just buzzwords that mean nothing without being expounded upon. Sorry, but that's just the truth.

What you're saying about both sides being even is 100% correct. The rest of it is what bugs me. you made a ton of changes to an absolute classic map with the intent to make it "flow better".

I love the mirror fixes, but everything else seems so subjective to me. I personally love granary because of the things that make it unique, and a lot of the things just seem like "well i don't like this particular nitpick thing, so i'm going to change it".

I know that this is a process, dagger. And I know you're following a lot of what the community says. But there are a lot of things that had no need to be changed. Just because something doesn't play to someone's particular liking doesn't mean it's bad or needs to be fixed.

this is really, really neat.

I posted that obviously still hoping for match making, but I was sick of this thread getting bumped and making me sad. I posted it when I had really started coaching/admining newbie mixes and I was very tired of people pointlessly theorycrafting ways tf2 COULD succeed rather than putting that time into something that will actually help the game.

"If valve implemented an in game lobby system tomorrow I would be ecstatic."

I LIED HYPEE

Hello, gamers. Newbie mixes will be hosted tonight starting immediately after fully charged wraps up. Please come coach if you haven't recently.

New players, hop on in and let's do the esports :)

also why would ANYONE travel to play online.

lan is worth it because of many reasons

-team hangout
-friends
-playing environment
-good ping
-insane pcs
-more stuff that i wouldn't know because i'm not an invite gamer

the combination of all of those things is what makes the travel worth it, not JUST the ping

i'm actually upset that you got a list that long and didnt include lange or fragile

shitpost or not

i love na lans as much as the next guy, but personally i would NOT give up an international i55 to have a first-time lan here in na.

Okay, gamers! We have 10 teams signed up. I'll be adding all the leaders (people who posted in this thread) to send more specific information. I will have a resource pack to put on your servers (maps, cfg, whitelists, etc). More detailed rules coming soon.

You can edit your roster until saturday at 11:59pm est.

hypee! :)

Good to see the support continuing as well as they can given the situation. Here's hoping the majority of top players stick around. :)