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what do you think of hong kong's umbrella movement
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As title suggests.

As title suggests.
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this is umbrella movement

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this is umbrella movement

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man rick that shit is melting my brain

man rick that shit is melting my brain
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i suddenly realized i have been staring at that for 15 mins

i suddenly realized i have been staring at that for 15 mins
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M4TTAs title suggests.

I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.

[quote=M4TT]As title suggests.[/quote]
I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.
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runescape_boy_420M4TTAs title suggests.I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.

Same here. I know there are protests but not why.

[quote=runescape_boy_420][quote=M4TT]As title suggests.[/quote]
I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.[/quote]
Same here. I know there are protests but not why.
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kaiserRegrunescape_boy_420M4TTAs title suggests.I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.Same here. I know there are protests but not why.

Cause someone thought 100 years is as good as forever and once that ended and Honk Kong got incorporated into China it's being stripped off of freedom unlawfully.
One recent example may be China not letting British MPs enter it even thought it has seperate immigration policy and passport board and should decide on it's own in that matter.

[quote=kaiserReg][quote=runescape_boy_420][quote=M4TT]As title suggests.[/quote]
I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.[/quote]
Same here. I know there are protests but not why.[/quote]
Cause someone thought 100 years is as good as forever and once that ended and Honk Kong got incorporated into China it's being stripped off of freedom unlawfully.
One recent example may be China not letting British MPs enter it even thought it has seperate immigration policy and passport board and should decide on it's own in that matter.
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#8
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welp w/e

welp w/e
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#9
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Shiftywelp w/e

Woah, you're cool.

[quote=Shifty]welp w/e[/quote]
Woah, you're cool.
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#10
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CHERRYkaiserRegrunescape_boy_420M4TTAs title suggests.I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.Same here. I know there are protests but not why.Cause someone thought 100 years is as good as forever and once that ended and Honk Kong got incorporated into China it's being stripped off of freedom unlawfully.
One recent example may be China not letting British MPs enter it even thought it has seperate immigration policy and passport board and should decide on it's own in that matter.

they are also fighting for democracy. china like handpicked people to be like president, and tells hong kong to vote for one of them. hong kong wants to elect its own people to be president i think.

[quote=CHERRY][quote=kaiserReg][quote=runescape_boy_420][quote=M4TT]As title suggests.[/quote]
I haven't heard about it so you might want to explain what it is.[/quote]
Same here. I know there are protests but not why.[/quote]
Cause someone thought 100 years is as good as forever and once that ended and Honk Kong got incorporated into China it's being stripped off of freedom unlawfully.
One recent example may be China not letting British MPs enter it even thought it has seperate immigration policy and passport board and should decide on it's own in that matter.[/quote]
they are also fighting for democracy. china like handpicked people to be like president, and tells hong kong to vote for one of them. hong kong wants to elect its own people to be president i think.
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Been following it loosely. I travel to Hong Kong occasionally and it's certainly changed over the 10 years I've been going there.

Given there's a lot of perception that it's mainly/partly fueled by resentment of mainlanders - it makes it difficult for them to win a lot of sympathy from mainlanders which would probably be the best way to get Beijing to loosen the grip a bit.
I am not sure how much they can win or what they should do, but I hope they're successful.

Been following it loosely. I travel to Hong Kong occasionally and it's certainly changed over the 10 years I've been going there.

Given there's a lot of perception that it's mainly/partly fueled by resentment of mainlanders - it makes it difficult for them to win a lot of sympathy from mainlanders which would probably be the best way to get Beijing to loosen the grip a bit.
I am not sure how much they can win or what they should do, but I hope they're successful.
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plinkoBeen following it loosely. I travel to Hong Kong occasionally and it's certainly changed over the 10 years I've been going there.

Given there's a lot of perception that it's mainly/partly fueled by resentment of mainlanders - it makes it difficult for them to win a lot of sympathy from mainlanders which would probably be the best way to get Beijing to loosen the grip a bit.
I am not sure how much they can win or what they should do, but I hope they're successful.

I've been staying in mainland China for the last few months, and little to no information has made it here, which is why I am a bit uninformed about current events myself. The same does probably apply to the regular population. Most of them are not/only marginally aware of something happening in Hong Kong, which explains the lack of support from the mainland. The chinese "tradition" of not discussing politics in public or basically ever certainly helps the government in keeping down wide-spread support.

Hong-Kong has historically been a bit more international, metropolitan and western than other big chinese cities and its special status may have helped in creating a population that is more politically aware and demanding. I think the protests itself, if they have remained peaceful, are definitely a good thing and might eventually succeed, if only in informing the government about how chinese society is continually progressing towards a more forward and aware one. Over time, I believe other chinese cities might begin making similar demands, starting with Shanghai and Beijing, both of whom are quite metropolitan and certainly more "western" than most of China. I honestly believe that the more China progresses economically, exposing its population to other countries, new ideas and cultures, the government will have to gradually lower its policing or give in to at least some demands of the people, but this is going to be a process taking place over the next decades as opposed to the next few months.

[quote=plinko]Been following it loosely. I travel to Hong Kong occasionally and it's certainly changed over the 10 years I've been going there.

Given there's a lot of perception that it's mainly/partly fueled by resentment of mainlanders - it makes it difficult for them to win a lot of sympathy from mainlanders which would probably be the best way to get Beijing to loosen the grip a bit.
I am not sure how much they can win or what they should do, but I hope they're successful.[/quote]


I've been staying in mainland China for the last few months, and little to no information has made it here, which is why I am a bit uninformed about current events myself. The same does probably apply to the regular population. Most of them are not/only marginally aware of [i]something[/i] happening in Hong Kong, which explains the lack of support from the mainland. The chinese "tradition" of not discussing politics in public or basically ever certainly helps the government in keeping down wide-spread support.

Hong-Kong has historically been a bit more international, metropolitan and western than other big chinese cities and its special status may have helped in creating a population that is more politically aware and demanding. I think the protests itself, if they have remained peaceful, are definitely a good thing and might eventually succeed, if only in informing the government about how chinese society is continually progressing towards a more forward and aware one. Over time, I believe other chinese cities might begin making similar demands, starting with Shanghai and Beijing, both of whom are quite metropolitan and certainly more "western" than most of China. I honestly believe that the more China progresses economically, exposing its population to other countries, new ideas and cultures, the government will have to gradually lower its policing or give in to at least some demands of the people, but this is going to be a process taking place over the next decades as opposed to the next few months.
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I am very sorry for not explaining about it in the first place lol

its like what #10 said, to run in the election to be the chief executive, you must first be "approved" by the chinese government which is not even fair, so the hong kong people started a protest by occupying roads in hong kong, we just standed there, we didn't go brake windows and burn cars but the police threw tear gas at the protesters, the police also uses excessive violence against the protesters and 7 cops had been seen beating and kicking a protester, the whole thing was caught in camrea.

As the #12, the chinese government had been blocking the new as to saying to protesters are "celebrating a holiday".

Once again I am very sorry not to explain it in the first place.

I am very sorry for not explaining about it in the first place lol

its like what #10 said, to run in the election to be the chief executive, you must first be "approved" by the chinese government which is not even fair, so the hong kong people started a protest by occupying roads in hong kong, we just standed there, we didn't go brake windows and burn cars but the police threw tear gas at the protesters, the police also uses excessive violence against the protesters and 7 cops had been seen beating and kicking a protester, the whole thing was caught in camrea.

As the #12, the chinese government had been blocking the new as to saying to protesters are "celebrating a holiday".

Once again I am very sorry not to explain it in the first place.
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The Chinese government are definitely quite authoritarian when it comes to managing its specific cities by quelling any sort of unrest and instating leaders who favor their policy and decision making. However, with the rate that China is modernizing based on my visit less than a month ago, this autocratic approach isn't going to be as effective since Chinese citizens will be more and more exposed to the more liberal policies of foreign countries such as the US.

Chinese corporations are also expanding at a ridiculous pace, with IPO's such as Alibaba and telecommunication conglomerates such as Huawei gaining larger footholds internationally. If the government can't keep up with the rapid modernization of its society, then watch for more civil unrest such as this one in Hong Kong to become even more numerous in the future.

Hong Kong has likely experienced one first because it's the financial and international center of China where a lot of Western influence has opened the eyes of its citizens to the wider world.

Just as a suggestion: The government could start by first taking down the "Great Firewall of China" so people don't have to resort to using VPN's and unreliable proxies when trying to access their Gmail, watch cute pets on Youtube, or play Facebook games. >_>

The Chinese government are definitely quite authoritarian when it comes to managing its specific cities by quelling any sort of unrest and instating leaders who favor their policy and decision making. However, with the rate that China is modernizing based on my visit less than a month ago, this autocratic approach isn't going to be as effective since Chinese citizens will be more and more exposed to the more liberal policies of foreign countries such as the US.

Chinese corporations are also expanding at a ridiculous pace, with IPO's such as Alibaba and telecommunication conglomerates such as Huawei gaining larger footholds internationally. If the government can't keep up with the rapid modernization of its society, then watch for more civil unrest such as this one in Hong Kong to become even more numerous in the future.

Hong Kong has likely experienced one first because it's the financial and international center of China where a lot of Western influence has opened the eyes of its citizens to the wider world.

Just as a suggestion: The government could start by first taking down the "Great Firewall of China" so people don't have to resort to using VPN's and unreliable proxies when trying to access their Gmail, watch cute pets on Youtube, or play Facebook games. >_>
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#14 is google still blocked in china?

#14 is google still blocked in china?
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M4TT#14 is google still blocked in china?

Yes I believe so, as I could not access my Gmail. Maybe it's some sort of secret strat to force people to only use search engines and web features provided by Chinese companies the government can exert more control over than foreign corporations.

[quote=M4TT]#14 is google still blocked in china?[/quote]

Yes I believe so, as I could not access my Gmail. Maybe it's some sort of secret strat to force people to only use search engines and web features provided by Chinese companies the government can exert more control over than foreign corporations.
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M4TT#14 is google still blocked in china?

Everything google is blocked, including the search engine as well as any other app (gmail, youtube etc.)
The same goes for all social media/blogging sites, such as facebook, twitter, blogspot, blogger, tumblr and so on. imgur is blocked as well, although sometimes it seems to work for some pictures at random times.

[quote=M4TT]#14 is google still blocked in china?[/quote]

Everything google is blocked, including the search engine as well as any other app (gmail, youtube etc.)
The same goes for all social media/blogging sites, such as facebook, twitter, blogspot, blogger, tumblr and so on. imgur is blocked as well, although sometimes it seems to work for some pictures at random times.
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