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Possibilities for an Asia-Pacific Sixes Tournament
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#1
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Hey guys,

I'll post this over on OzFortress, but thought I'd just inform everyone here know as well, just in case people internationally were curious.

Sixes in Oceania is growing with more and more players thrusting themselves into the world of competitive TF2. Pickup, jump, and MGE servers are constantly becoming hard to find a place in, with people striving more and more to improve their game. Australia in particular is mounting a serious case, with Yuki representing the country in ESEA-Invite this year as part of 'r5', and of course, this year we will see Team Immunity representing Australia at i49, and the world will get a glimpse of what we're made of.

What I'm proposing is we bring all of the Asia-Pacific TF2 community together to compete in a knockout, winner-takes all competition. Teams from all different skill levels from Australia, New Zealand, China, Japan, and many more players from all over the region will compete to represent their team, their country, and our region in general.

Of course, there's many things to be figured out such as the amount of teams, dates, servers, broadcast, etc. I am happy to donate the prizes, and organise the majority of things that need to happen. All I need is people to tell me if their team is interested in entering, and if people would watch it. My aim for this is to further the reputation of TF2 in the Asia-Pacific region, and I hope you guys understand that and support it.

Leave your thoughts and comments here.

Much appreciated.

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Hey guys,

I'll post this over on OzFortress, but thought I'd just inform everyone here know as well, just in case people internationally were curious.

Sixes in Oceania is growing with more and more players thrusting themselves into the world of competitive TF2. Pickup, jump, and MGE servers are constantly becoming hard to find a place in, with people striving more and more to improve their game. Australia in particular is mounting a serious case, with Yuki representing the country in ESEA-Invite this year as part of 'r5', and of course, this year we will see Team Immunity representing Australia at i49, and the world will get a glimpse of what we're made of.

What I'm proposing is we bring all of the Asia-Pacific TF2 community together to compete in a knockout, winner-takes all competition. Teams from all different skill levels from Australia, New Zealand, China, Japan, and many more players from all over the region will compete to represent their team, their country, and our region in general.

Of course, there's many things to be figured out such as the amount of teams, dates, servers, broadcast, etc. I am happy to donate the prizes, and organise the majority of things that need to happen. All I need is people to tell me if their team is interested in entering, and if people would [i]watch[/i] it. My aim for this is to further the reputation of TF2 in the Asia-Pacific region, and I hope you guys understand that and support it.

Leave your thoughts and comments here.

Much appreciated.

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#2
7 Frags +

Pretty much no games from Asia, Japan, whatever gets casted (atleast not on tf.tv) so it'd be cool to see some matches from those general regions.

Pretty much no games from Asia, Japan, whatever gets casted (atleast not on tf.tv) so it'd be cool to see some matches from those general regions.
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#3
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I know nothing about Asia Fortress, at all. So I'd love to see the competition in Asia Fortress and just how different it might be.

Maybe if it gets popular enough, we could see some representation at i52?

I know nothing about Asia Fortress, at all. So I'd love to see the competition in Asia Fortress and just how different it might be.

Maybe if it gets popular enough, we could see some representation at i52?
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EdyPretty much no games from Asia, Japan, whatever gets casted (atleast not on tf.tv) so it'd be cool to see some matches from those general regions.

That's what I'm hoping. Competitive in Australia is sort-of established, but I'm looking to bring other countries in the region into it as well to display their talent.

kaiserRegI know nothing about Asia Fortress, at all. So I'd love to see the competition in Asia Fortress and just how different it might be.

Maybe if it gets popular enough, we could see some representation at i52?

Great to hear your interest. Possibly, yes. :P Maybe a few teams at the nations cup with 400 ping?

[quote=Edy]Pretty much no games from Asia, Japan, whatever gets casted (atleast not on tf.tv) so it'd be cool to see some matches from those general regions.[/quote]

That's what I'm hoping. Competitive in Australia is sort-of established, but I'm looking to bring other countries in the region into it as well to display their talent.

[quote=kaiserReg]I know nothing about Asia Fortress, at all. So I'd love to see the competition in Asia Fortress and just how different it might be.

Maybe if it gets popular enough, we could see some representation at i52?[/quote]

Great to hear your interest. Possibly, yes. :P Maybe a few teams at the nations cup with 400 ping?
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#5
3 Frags +

This sounds like an incredible idea, I would definitely watch it.

This sounds like an incredible idea, I would definitely watch it.
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#6
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I seem to remember somebody contacting what was supposedly the top team in Asia Fortress, what ever came of that?

I seem to remember somebody contacting what was supposedly the top team in Asia Fortress, what ever came of that?
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#7
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sounds incredibly cool, would definitely watch that!

sounds incredibly cool, would definitely watch that!
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#8
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Post this on Asia Fortress. Give us a date. Make it happen :D

Post this on Asia Fortress. Give us a date. Make it happen :D
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#9
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I am ready! Gonna represent the Philippines:D

I am ready! Gonna represent the Philippines:D
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#10
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Just a quick heads up to everyone. Over on the OzFortress thread the Australians strongly believe this is a good idea, but they feel the ping for people playing in other countries would be too high. The servers will most likely be based in Australia, or possibly in New Zealand if it works better for everyone. Anyway, the thing that I'll need to know is do people have any ideas or theories to stop this, and, would the people in countries further away be willing to play with x ping?

ShounicPost this on Asia Fortress. Give us a date. Make it happen :D

I'll try again now but when I tried to make an account last night, it was sort of weird because I'd fill in all the sign up info, and when I pressed the button nothing happened. The thing that's really going to get this going will the support of teams from countries such as Japan, China, etc, so I really want to get a thread up in there now.

PinkI am ready! Gonna represent the Philippines:D

It's fantastic that you're interested, but I would like to point out that this is not a nation's cup, this is a competition made of individual sixes teams. My idea is to get teams from all different divisions from all different leagues. It's perfectly fine if players in teams are from different countries.

Just a quick heads up to everyone. Over on the OzFortress thread the Australians strongly believe this is a good idea, but they feel the ping for people playing in other countries would be too high. The servers will most likely be based in Australia, or possibly in New Zealand if it works better for everyone. Anyway, the thing that I'll need to know is do people have any ideas or theories to stop this, and, would the people in countries further away be willing to play with [i]x[/i] ping?

[quote=Shounic]Post this on Asia Fortress. Give us a date. Make it happen :D[/quote]

I'll try again now but when I tried to make an account last night, it was sort of weird because I'd fill in all the sign up info, and when I pressed the button nothing happened. The thing that's really going to get this going will the support of teams from countries such as Japan, China, etc, so I really want to get a thread up in there now.

[quote=Pink]I am ready! Gonna represent the Philippines:D[/quote]

It's fantastic that you're interested, but I would like to point out that this is [b]not[/b] a nation's cup, this is a competition made of individual sixes teams. My idea is to get teams from all different divisions from all different leagues. It's perfectly fine if players in teams are from different countries.
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#11
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where do i donate?

where do i donate?
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#12
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renxzenwhere do i donate?

Also, any news in the southamerica scene? I guess not.

Depending on interest, donations may start. I'm not sure about South America, I think it's just too far away to be apart of this one, couldn't they compete with the Americans and Canadians?

[quote=renxzen]where do i donate?

Also, any news in the southamerica scene? I guess not.[/quote]

Depending on interest, donations may start. I'm not sure about South America, I think it's just too far away to be apart of this one, couldn't they compete with the Americans and Canadians?
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#13
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It seems viewer interest is there as I've had a lot of people actually add me and tell me they like the idea. My next objective is get the teams to show their interest. I am going to approach the very best from all over Asia-Pacific, but I need a format.

I was wondering if I could get opinions on how many teams we should have, how many from each region, who is allowed to sign up, etc.

It seems viewer interest is there as I've had a lot of people actually add me and tell me they like the idea. My next objective is get the teams to show their interest. I am going to approach the very best from all over Asia-Pacific, but I need a format.

I was wondering if I could get opinions on how many teams we should have, how many from each region, who is allowed to sign up, etc.
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#14
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I'm curious about how you are going to set up the infrastructure to run a league. It seems like you are just "gauging interest" which is good, it just seems like It's just you and an idea at the moment. There's been a couple of "good ideas" in this area of the world which just haven't really been thought through and died. See ATF2L, I think they ran for like a season and now are just known for shitty servers. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on the ATF2L stuff, but I know the servers are shitty as hell.)

It defiantly seems like you are not really engaged with your main audience/playerbase: Asiafortress. The fact that you discuss it with the North American scene before you discuss it with the people who would actually be playing doesn't really help you out.

I really think that the ping issues would be too much. To be honest if it was going to happen it probably already would have happened. I mean, more power too you and if you can make this work, awesome. But it's not necessarily going to be an easy battle to do that.

I guess the thing is how do you attract players and teams. It really seems like you want to make the preeminent TF2 competition on this side of the world to determine the best in the region (Spoiler alert, it's iM). Are you going to provide a prize pot? Some sponsored prizes? Because I do not see the prospect of playing against asian teams on laggy servers for little to no reward for winning attracting the best of the best of the teams in the Australian scene.

Even though we are close, I don't really see the "Asia Pacific region" as a organizational region for TF2. It's quite similar to how the North and South American scenes are separate. The US and Canada share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between them. When you add in South America, not so much. Australia and New Zealand share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between us. When you add in Asia, not so much.

I don't want to discourage you but there are defiantly some issues to work through. You need to respect all sides of this and realize that to pull this off you are going to need some smart people with established credibility in all areas working hard towards the vision you have of this. You cannot do this on your own, and if you try and fail you will most likely make a lot of people very angry and gain a reputation over the ordeal. If you can make it work well with a good staff, you stand to advance the scene quite a bit this side of the globe. Best of luck.

I'm curious about how you are going to set up the infrastructure to run a league. It seems like you are just "gauging interest" which is good, it just seems like It's just you and an idea at the moment. There's been a couple of "good ideas" in this area of the world which just haven't really been thought through and died. See ATF2L, I think they ran for like a season and now are just known for shitty servers. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on the ATF2L stuff, but I know the servers are shitty as hell.)

It defiantly seems like you are not really engaged with your main audience/playerbase: Asiafortress. The fact that you discuss it with the North American scene before you discuss it with the people who would actually be playing doesn't really help you out.

I really think that the ping issues would be too much. To be honest if it was going to happen it probably already would have happened. I mean, more power too you and if you can make this work, awesome. But it's not necessarily going to be an easy battle to do that.

I guess the thing is how do you attract players and teams. It really seems like you want to make the preeminent TF2 competition on this side of the world to determine the best in the region (Spoiler alert, it's iM). Are you going to provide a prize pot? Some sponsored prizes? Because I do not see the prospect of playing against asian teams on laggy servers for little to no reward for winning attracting the best of the best of the teams in the Australian scene.

Even though we are close, I don't really see the "Asia Pacific region" as a organizational region for TF2. It's quite similar to how the North and South American scenes are separate. The US and Canada share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between them. When you add in South America, not so much. Australia and New Zealand share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between us. When you add in Asia, not so much.

I don't want to discourage you but there are defiantly some issues to work through. You need to respect all sides of this and realize that to pull this off you are going to need some smart people with established credibility in all areas working hard towards the vision you have of this. You cannot do this on your own, and if you try and fail you will most likely make a lot of people very angry and gain a reputation over the ordeal. If you can make it work well with a good staff, you stand to advance the scene quite a bit this side of the globe. Best of luck.
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#15
2 Frags +

If he pitches the idea correctly as as "competition for fun! represent your community!" I think it'll work out well. Who cares about ping when you're just there to have fun?

If he pitches the idea correctly as as "competition for fun! represent your community!" I think it'll work out well. Who cares about ping when you're just there to have fun?
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#16
1 Frags +

#14 I don't think he's proposing an entire league or season. I think he's proposing a one-off tournament.

#14 I don't think he's proposing an entire league or season. I think he's proposing a one-off tournament.
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#17
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i wish phil. will go in i49 or i50

i wish phil. will go in i49 or i50
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#18
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are we representing countries in asia-pacific region or the community?

are we representing countries in asia-pacific region or the community?
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#19
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Andare we representing countries in asia-pacific region or the community?

I would again like to strongly stress that this is going to be made of individual sixes teams. It doesn't really matter if you have players in one team from different countries. The idea is to showcase the talent from those countries, yes, but I'm not trying to make it like a nations cup thing.

AndKennethI'm curious about how you are going to set up the infrastructure to run a league. It seems like you are just "gauging interest" which is good, it just seems like It's just you and an idea at the moment. There's been a couple of "good ideas" in this area of the world which just haven't really been thought through and died. See ATF2L, I think they ran for like a season and now are just known for shitty servers. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on the ATF2L stuff, but I know the servers are shitty as hell.)

It defiantly seems like you are not really engaged with your main audience/playerbase: Asiafortress. The fact that you discuss it with the North American scene before you discuss it with the people who would actually be playing doesn't really help you out.

I really think that the ping issues would be too much. To be honest if it was going to happen it probably already would have happened. I mean, more power too you and if you can make this work, awesome. But it's not necessarily going to be an easy battle to do that.

I guess the thing is how do you attract players and teams. It really seems like you want to make the preeminent TF2 competition on this side of the world to determine the best in the region (Spoiler alert, it's iM). Are you going to provide a prize pot? Some sponsored prizes? Because I do not see the prospect of playing against asian teams on laggy servers for little to no reward for winning attracting the best of the best of the teams in the Australian scene.

Even though we are close, I don't really see the "Asia Pacific region" as a organizational region for TF2. It's quite similar to how the North and South American scenes are separate. The US and Canada share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between them. When you add in South America, not so much. Australia and New Zealand share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between us. When you add in Asia, not so much.

I don't want to discourage you but there are defiantly some issues to work through. You need to respect all sides of this and realize that to pull this off you are going to need some smart people with established credibility in all areas working hard towards the vision you have of this. You cannot do this on your own, and if you try and fail you will most likely make a lot of people very angry and gain a reputation over the ordeal. If you can make it work well with a good staff, you stand to advance the scene quite a bit this side of the globe. Best of luck.

You raise many points, some I disagree with, but for sure, some I do agree with.

I would like to point out that I have posted a thread on the AsiaFortress forums, and I have actually spoken to players from the top teams and they don't seem to think ping will worry them, especially if the cause is plainly to raise awareness of the talent in the region. At the moment the people in that area seem really keen, it's the people in the countries I thought it would be easiest to engage: Australians and New Zealanders, that are being the most negative about the whole idea.

As for the attraction part, as I have said, I am happy to put forward the prizes out of my own pocket, but donations from the community may be something to be considered. Once again, I appreciate your points and I will consider them. I do have high-hopes for this and I see it as something that could be really huge for competitive TF2 in Asia and Aus/NZ, an area which I believe hasn't made it's full mark into the scene as of yet.

[quote=And]are we representing countries in asia-pacific region or the community?[/quote]

I would again like to strongly stress that this is going to be made of individual sixes teams. It doesn't really matter if you have players in one team from different countries. The idea is to showcase the talent from those countries, yes, but I'm not trying to make it like a nations cup thing.

[quote=AndKenneth]I'm curious about how you are going to set up the infrastructure to run a league. It seems like you are just "gauging interest" which is good, it just seems like It's just you and an idea at the moment. There's been a couple of "good ideas" in this area of the world which just haven't really been thought through and died. See ATF2L, I think they ran for like a season and now are just known for shitty servers. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on the ATF2L stuff, but I know the servers are shitty as hell.)

It defiantly seems like you are not really engaged with your main audience/playerbase: Asiafortress. The fact that you discuss it with the North American scene before you discuss it with the people who would actually be playing doesn't really help you out.

I really think that the ping issues would be too much. To be honest if it was going to happen it probably already would have happened. I mean, more power too you and if you can make this work, awesome. But it's not necessarily going to be an easy battle to do that.

I guess the thing is how do you attract players and teams. It really seems like you want to make the preeminent TF2 competition on this side of the world to determine the best in the region (Spoiler alert, it's iM). Are you going to provide a prize pot? Some sponsored prizes? Because I do not see the prospect of playing against asian teams on laggy servers for little to no reward for winning attracting the best of the best of the teams in the Australian scene.

Even though we are close, I don't really see the "Asia Pacific region" as a organizational region for TF2. It's quite similar to how the North and South American scenes are separate. The US and Canada share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between them. When you add in South America, not so much. Australia and New Zealand share common language, have similar culture, and the internet isn't shocking between us. When you add in Asia, not so much.

I don't want to discourage you but there are defiantly some issues to work through. You need to respect all sides of this and realize that to pull this off you are going to need some smart people with established credibility in all areas working hard towards the vision you have of this. You cannot do this on your own, and if you try and fail you will most likely make a lot of people very angry and gain a reputation over the ordeal. If you can make it work well with a good staff, you stand to advance the scene quite a bit this side of the globe. Best of luck.[/quote]

You raise many points, some I disagree with, but for sure, some I do agree with.

I would like to point out that I have posted a thread on the AsiaFortress forums, and I have actually spoken to players from the top teams and they don't seem to think ping will worry them, especially if the cause is plainly to raise awareness of the talent in the region. At the moment the people in that area seem really keen, it's the people in the countries I thought it would be easiest to engage: Australians and New Zealanders, that are being the most negative about the whole idea.

As for the attraction part, as I have said, I am happy to put forward the prizes out of my own pocket, but donations from the community may be something to be considered. Once again, I appreciate your points and I will consider them. I do have high-hopes for this and I see it as something that could be really huge for competitive TF2 in Asia and Aus/NZ, an area which I believe hasn't made it's full mark into the scene as of yet.
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#20
1 Frags +

Is TF2 a thing in Africa?

Is TF2 a thing in Africa?
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#21
1 Frags +

If this happens and there are casts of matches, I'd definitely stay up for that. Looks like a good idea to test, who knows maybe it'll stick. I already stay up till abnormal times watching asian dota2/sc2 tourneys, I can fit in tf2.

If this happens and there are casts of matches, I'd definitely stay up for that. Looks like a good idea to test, who knows maybe it'll stick. I already stay up till abnormal times watching asian dota2/sc2 tourneys, I can fit in tf2.
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