basically, skipping is when you shoot before you hit the ground, speedshot is when you shoot as you land.

A speedshot will give you upward momentum so you travel further than skipping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3d-XanYtAg

This is a good map for speedshots.

This + I've found that delaying the skip just slightly will make you go lower while still hitting the ramp, making it easier to hit that surf.

Any tips for getting the skip off spire right, I feel like i'm always flying to far to get the skip right and when I do I can't get the slide on choke like 90% of the time.

The slide on choke is 100% reliant on the angle/speed you hit the ramp with, meaning the spire skip is far more important. If you can't get the slide at choke then your skip off spire must be wrong as well. In order to learn it I would just go on a local server, use getpos/setpos binds to set up a teleport next to the wall before spire, and just practice the skip 100x over. You should be able to get to the point where the skip is done with very little focus, and you can control exactly how much speed/height you get off of it.

Also make sure you're actually getting the full power out of your rockets. In the video SeaCow posted the timing of jump/crouch must be off since he's missing a lot of potential speed/distance off each of the walljumps.

Do you need to do a speedshot to get the slide? I've been trying to just skip over spire. When I jump off the wall I try to stay as low as possible to the platform on spire so I can get the most speed out of the jump. How do you set up the getpos/set pos stuff. only sv_cheats thing I normally use is the Hurtme -______ also, is there a command to make it so you don't need to reload/pickup ammo? Running around to get more rockets and stuff is a bit annoying when im trying to practice.

No, then you would go too far.

You are possibly going too low which doesn't give you time to get the skip shot in early enough.

Sorry I meant to say skip in my post, just a typo on my part. To set up a teleport just type "getpos" in console when you're beside the wall, and the console will produce a line of positional values. Copy this line and bind it to a key with the command "bind key setpos xxxx.xxx.xxx" then just hit the bind whenever you want to return to that spot. As far as ammo there is a rocket clip script on tf2jump.com/ which gives you about 250 rockets in a clip so you can practice without reloading.

If you speedshot of spire (assuming I did it properly) you'll just fly over the ramp, which will just fuck up the fast rollout really. You can rocketjump of the wall though and surf on the small stairs at the health pack at mid. Might be useful if their demo goes sewers, but I'm not sure if you'd be fast enough. Also it's hard to pull of consistently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeoZXd06wxQ

Actually if you do the regular boost through choke and get proper height, you can land on crates in front / on their sewer door. The regular skip over 2, boost through choke can get you to their healthpack, their sewer, or anywhere you really need to be.

thanks for the map

After practicing it a bit more I can somewhat get it now, sometimes when I do the jump on choke I just get LAUNCHED to our health pack and I guess that's somewhat useful if they're going to come out of sewer but otherwise kind of annoying. I think I might be doing that speedshot shit when that happens but otherwise i just need to practice it a bit more to get it down.

asd

goddamn so that's where the music was coming from