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ESEA Settles Bicoin Mining Lawsuit
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#31
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Teamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.

Teamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.
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#32
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SpewntheSpoonTeamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.

ya i can just see enigma sitting at his computer foaming at the mouth at the idea of either paying his team or banny oh boy

[quote=SpewntheSpoon]Teamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.[/quote]

ya i can just see enigma sitting at his computer foaming at the mouth at the idea of either paying his team or banny oh boy
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#33
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SpewntheSpoonTeamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.

I don't think you realize how much effort goes into a LAN. We only have one because CSGO has one.

That said, we should probably move away from ESEA, especially since one of the people involved in the incident is still in the company- in fact, he's part owner.

CEVO is looking pretty attractive right now.

Edit: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341

[quote=SpewntheSpoon]Teamfortress.tv league. Make it happen. Pleeeease. I think with enough support from the community we this could really be a step in the right direction for Comp. We've raised $32,241.14 in the matter of 2 days. Surely a couple hundred teams paying league fees would make a small lan possible.[/quote]
I don't think you realize how much effort goes into a LAN. We only have one because CSGO has one.

That said, we should probably move away from ESEA, especially since one of the people involved in the incident is still in the company- in fact, he's part owner.

CEVO is looking pretty attractive right now.

Edit: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341
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#34
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Kinda makes me sad/annoyed that an employer can make you do something that is illegal and somehow you (the employee) gets sued too.

Kinda makes me sad/annoyed that an employer can make you do something that is illegal and somehow you (the employee) gets sued too.
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#35
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FzeroKinda makes me sad/annoyed that an employer can make you do something that is illegal and somehow you (the employee) gets sued too.

He could have quit.

[quote=Fzero]Kinda makes me sad/annoyed that an employer can make you do something that is illegal and somehow you (the employee) gets sued too.[/quote]
He could have quit.
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#36
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HOLY FUCK

"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services and the ESEA Software was not turned on. ESEA
concealed the ESEA Monitoring Code in the ESEA Software driver on end-users' computers.
ESEA also programed the ESEA Software to reload the ESEA Monitoring Code even if end-users attempted to "unload" the driver."
HOLY FUCK

[quote]"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services and the ESEA Software was not turned on. ESEA
concealed the ESEA Monitoring Code in the ESEA Software driver on end-users' computers.
ESEA also programed the ESEA Software to reload the ESEA Monitoring Code even if end-users attempted to "unload" the driver."
[/quote]
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#37
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FzeroHOLY FUCK
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services and the ESEA Software was not turned on. ESEA
concealed the ESEA Monitoring Code in the ESEA Software driver on end-users' computers.
ESEA also programed the ESEA Software to reload the ESEA Monitoring Code even if end-users attempted to "unload" the driver."

Time to reformat our computers and quit ESEA?

[quote=Fzero]HOLY FUCK

[quote]"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services and the ESEA Software was not turned on. ESEA
concealed the ESEA Monitoring Code in the ESEA Software driver on end-users' computers.
ESEA also programed the ESEA Software to reload the ESEA Monitoring Code even if end-users attempted to "unload" the driver."
[/quote][/quote]
Time to reformat our computers and quit ESEA?
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#38
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Also, you guys/girls should read some of the stupid things that lkplane is saying here
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341

A favorite thus far

#45 there's a lesson i hope no one reading this ever has to learn, because it's a disappointing one:

in the current us legal system, even when you're right, it's sometimes a smarter decision to simply write a check and walk away, as wrong as that sounds
Also, you guys/girls should read some of the stupid things that lkplane is saying here
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341

A favorite thus far

[quote]#45 there's a lesson i hope no one reading this ever has to learn, because it's a disappointing one:

in the current us legal system, even when you're right, it's sometimes a smarter decision to simply write a check and walk away, as wrong as that sounds[/quote]
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#39
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MerchantPenguinNinja1408Story here.

$1 million settlement scaling down to $350,000 over 10 years if conditions are met.

Wrong. 350k now, 650k if they fuck up again in the next 10 years.

Actually, his wording isn't wrong. ESEA already had to pay $125,000 and they have to pay $50,000 four times next year. If conditions aren't met over the 10 years, ESEA has to pay $1,000,000 total. The court refers to it as a $1 million settlement: "Plaintiffs and the Settling Defendants (collectively, the "Parties") have agreed to a settlement [...] in the amount of One Million and 00/100 Dollars ($1,000,000.00) ("settlement Payment")[...]From the Settlement Payment, Six Hundred Seventy-Five Thousand and 00/100 Dollars ($675,000.00) shall be suspended an automatically vacated within ten (10) years of the Effective Date ("Suspended Penalty"), provided: [lists restraints and conditions]."

Additionally, it appears as though the person responsible for the actual download of the code onto users computers must pay $60,000 scaled down to $20,000 over 5 years if the conditions and restraints placed upon him are met. He already had to pay $2,500 and must pay an additional $2,500 twice a year for the next 3 and a half years.

Interesting things to note:

[*] If the Suspended Penalties don't come into play - and after their fees and costs are deducted - the New Jersey State Legislature will receive $218,105.66. And additional $100,000 will go to the New Jersey Attorney General for "the promotion of consumer privacy programs, including the purchase of investigative tools and the retention of technologies, consultants, and experts." (OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)

[*] "ESEA is an online video game subscription company that sells anti-cheat services for popular video games" (MUST BE WHY THEY CATCH SO MANY HACKERS...)

[*] "ESEA end-users pay a $6.95 monthly subscription fee to play ESEA Supported Games on the Company's hosted anti-cheat game servers." (INVITE, WHAT'S INVITE?)

[*] "Once installed, the ESEA Software enables ESEA full administrative access of end-users' computers[...]defendants[...]had full administrative access to all end-users' computers. The ESEA Software enabled Defendants to not only monitor end-user computer activity but also view and upload any and all end-users' computer files[...]the ESEA Software was programmed to automatically capture screen shots of computers, track computer mouse movements, and monitor end-users' computer activities even when they were not logged onto ESEA servers." (ESEA HAS BEEN READING YOUR FANFICTION AND (SERIOUSLY) MAYBE YOUR PASSWORDS.)

I have a feeling there are more interesting things of note to the Settlement, but after a half hour of reading legalese my head hurts. Maybe some braver folks will find more and post them below.

[quote=Merchant][quote=PenguinNinja1408][url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/e-sports-site-settles-covert-bitcoin-mining-case-for-1-million/]Story here.[/url]

$1 million settlement scaling down to $350,000 over 10 years if conditions are met.[/quote]

Wrong. 350k now, 650k if they fuck up again in the next 10 years. [/quote]

Actually, his wording isn't wrong. ESEA already had to pay $125,000 and they have to pay $50,000 four times next year. If conditions aren't met over the 10 years, ESEA has to pay $1,000,000 total. The court refers to it as a $1 million settlement: "Plaintiffs and the Settling Defendants (collectively, the "Parties") have agreed to a settlement [...] in the amount of One Million and 00/100 Dollars ($1,000,000.00) ("settlement Payment")[...]From the Settlement Payment, Six Hundred Seventy-Five Thousand and 00/100 Dollars ($675,000.00) shall be suspended an automatically vacated within ten (10) years of the Effective Date ("Suspended Penalty"), provided: [lists restraints and conditions]."

Additionally, it appears as though the person responsible for the actual download of the code onto users computers must pay $60,000 scaled down to $20,000 over 5 years if the conditions and restraints placed upon him are met. He already had to pay $2,500 and must pay an additional $2,500 twice a year for the next 3 and a half years.


Interesting things to note:

[*] If the Suspended Penalties don't come into play - and after their fees and costs are deducted - the New Jersey State Legislature will receive $218,105.66. And additional $100,000 will go to the New Jersey Attorney General for "the promotion of consumer privacy programs, including the purchase of investigative tools and the retention of technologies, consultants, and experts." (OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)

[*] "ESEA is an online video game subscription company that sells anti-cheat services for popular video games" (MUST BE WHY THEY CATCH SO MANY HACKERS...)

[*] "ESEA end-users pay a $6.95 monthly subscription fee to play ESEA Supported Games on the Company's hosted anti-cheat game servers." (INVITE, WHAT'S INVITE?)

[*] "Once installed, the ESEA Software enables ESEA full administrative access of end-users' computers[...]defendants[...]had full administrative access to all end-users' computers. The ESEA Software enabled Defendants to not only monitor end-user computer activity but also view and upload any and all end-users' computer files[...]the ESEA Software was programmed to automatically capture screen shots of computers, track computer mouse movements, and monitor end-users' computer activities even when they were not logged onto ESEA servers." (ESEA HAS BEEN READING YOUR FANFICTION AND (SERIOUSLY) MAYBE YOUR PASSWORDS.)

I have a feeling there are more interesting things of note to the Settlement, but after a half hour of reading legalese my head hurts. Maybe some braver folks will find more and post them below.
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#40
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Those comments on ESEA make my brain hurt.

First ESEA breaches their users' trust by including malware in their forced anti-cheat client, and now their headmin is being praised since ESEA "only" has to pay a qt. million?

oh well, mistakes were made ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Those comments on ESEA make my brain hurt.

First ESEA breaches their users' trust by including malware in their forced anti-cheat client, and now their headmin is being praised since ESEA "only" has to pay a qt. million?


oh well, mistakes were made ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#41
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Digresser...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.

[quote=Digresser]...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...
[/quote]

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.
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#42
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slateDigresser...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.

No, the ESEA client is not something I've ever been interested in downloading. My comment (which was partially in jest) was in regard to how the New Jersey State Legislature is choosing to divide the ESEA penalty. Less than a third for consumer privacy programs seems a bit low. What's more, I'd have liked to have seen that money earmarked for more than just consumer privacy programs. Using some of it to set up resources for people who feel their privacy agreement with an online company has been broken or exploited would be a good investment, for instance.

Also, while it is important that ESEA had to pay for their violations (and be made example of), it isn't actually restitution. Restitution would involve compensating the victims of the their actions. To my knowledge, the only way that can happen is if those affected by ESEA's "unconscionable commercial practices" file a consumer class action lawsuit. Whether or not that would be worth pursuing, however, I don't know.

[quote=slate][quote=Digresser]...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...
[/quote]

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.[/quote]

No, the ESEA client is not something I've ever been interested in downloading. My comment (which was partially in jest) was in regard to how the New Jersey State Legislature is choosing to divide the ESEA penalty. Less than a third for consumer privacy programs seems a bit low. What's more, I'd have liked to have seen that money earmarked for more than just consumer privacy programs. Using some of it to set up resources for people who feel their privacy agreement with an online company has been broken or exploited would be a good investment, for instance.

Also, while it is important that ESEA had to pay for their violations (and be made example of), it isn't actually restitution. Restitution would involve compensating the victims of the their actions. To my knowledge, the only way that can happen is if those affected by ESEA's "unconscionable commercial practices" file a consumer class action lawsuit. Whether or not that would be worth pursuing, however, I don't know.
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#43
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DigresserslateDigresser...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.

No, the ESEA client is not something I've ever been interested in downloading. My comment (which was partially in jest) was in regard to how the New Jersey State Legislature is choosing to divide the ESEA penalty. Less than a third for consumer privacy programs seems a bit low. What's more, I'd have liked to have seen that money earmarked for more than just consumer privacy programs. Using some of it to set up resources for people who feel their privacy agreement with an online company has been broken or exploited would be a good investment, for instance.

Also, while it is important that ESEA had to pay for their violations (and be made example of), it isn't actually restitution. Restitution would involve compensating the victims of the their actions. To my knowledge, the only way that can happen is if those affected by ESEA's "unconscionable commercial practices" file a consumer class action lawsuit. Whether or not that would be worth pursuing, however, I don't know.

Well, there is a class action lawsuit in California. The fact that NJ actually forced a civil trial for this is, honestly, kinda cool.

[quote=Digresser][quote=slate][quote=Digresser]...
(OH GOOD, THE VICTIMS WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH THE SWEET KNOWLEDGE THAT NEW JERSEY WILL AVENGE THEM BY ADVOCATING THEIR PRIVACY. THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WILL KEEP BETRAYED PLAYERS WARM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT-NO WAIT, SORRY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HEAT OF THEIR MELTING GRAPHICS CARDS.)
...
[/quote]

seriously? What did you expect? that the ESEA Userbase gets money? for what?

If you(or anyone for that matter) felt like you deserved compensation because your Hardware was damaged (or whatever), you should have sued them yourself.[/quote]

No, the ESEA client is not something I've ever been interested in downloading. My comment (which was partially in jest) was in regard to how the New Jersey State Legislature is choosing to divide the ESEA penalty. Less than a third for consumer privacy programs seems a bit low. What's more, I'd have liked to have seen that money earmarked for more than just consumer privacy programs. Using some of it to set up resources for people who feel their privacy agreement with an online company has been broken or exploited would be a good investment, for instance.

Also, while it is important that ESEA had to pay for their violations (and be made example of), it isn't actually restitution. Restitution would involve compensating the victims of the their actions. To my knowledge, the only way that can happen is if those affected by ESEA's "unconscionable commercial practices" file a consumer class action lawsuit. Whether or not that would be worth pursuing, however, I don't know.[/quote]

Well, there is a class action lawsuit in California. The fact that NJ actually forced a civil trial for this is, honestly, kinda cool.
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#44
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So not only are they paying out this settlement but they're increasing the tf2 prize pot? Hmmm.....

So not only are they paying out this settlement but they're increasing the tf2 prize pot? Hmmm.....
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