shits a stupid and strong gimmick. definitely not good full time but too good in some special scenarios and only really detracts from the game. i dont think theres too much skill involved in 'remove all stickies from point/door and hold w' it's just very good.

everyone knows its throwing, people just think it shouldnt punished by the league or at least not for fuckin 3 months

It's not much of a beautiful/intricate strat to delete all stickies in a small area then bumrush guys onto point like dickheads, it's just very effective (if enemy team is poorly setup, but even with the right defense it can be hard). The defending team need to commit a soldier to bottom left, and one to point while a demo holds top door(s), and none of these guys can make an error at any point (impossible even while playing properly as there will be a gap where you need to get ammo). All this being said, i imagine it would still be easy enough to play point even without quickies.

A lot of what Voxi and Gazy said is true as for reasons to not like it (imo), the lobby + last is completely unfixable without massively changing both. The 2nd fight is incredibly unintuitive to every other fight with how vertical the balcony area of lobby + spire is and how fuckin THICK the spire is. Demo and Medic on both sides kinda just chill with very little vision/impact and try protect themselves / kill guys who feed onto the wrong side of the spire, while Soldiers and Scouts dominate da fight. I think the flank having a resup is just goofy as hell and wasnt abused nearly enough when the map was played, maybe im remembering wrong tho + i was way worse when this map was played.

Upsides are that mid is very interesting both for midfights as well as ways to play mid in all the different states in the game. House is also a pretty fun area, every other part of the map just kinda sucks tho.

There was a map collaide made a while ago that took a lot of inspiration from badlands but was updated with a lot of modern solutions (especially to the lobby/last) that i remember playtest dmixing on a few months ago. It wasn't perfect but I think if anything we should be trying that out, tho idk if collaide is still interested in continuing development.

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ban this noob

varnu rages at me in apex for no reason ?

respect to young leader like buud... great things await

all this rick got em mortified

LOL

Joseph__ (Yak)

i also love not being able to cap mid unless ive fully wiped the enemy team as well as a 2nd point where you can only hold 1 door properly. the map isn't that bad but it's probably worse than metalworks overall

hard stuck div 2 soldier located

oh yeah?

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look, ima keep it 70 billion withchu, your shits not bussing respectfully. you got the game fucked up playa