SparrowI disagree. I think that players are far more likely to agree with names they know than anything else. There are tiers to these things that (prior to the elimination of blue names based on invite status) looked like this: well known player with blue/green > well known player > lesser known player with blue/green > everyone else.
I guess your argument is that people who are well known or have green names are responsible and won't misuse their reputations. This isn't really fair because it's not as if every player who would get recognition for making invite would misuse their names, and it doesn't mean that every player who is well known or has a green name now is consistently responsible and won't misuse theirs. Basically the elimination of blue names/lack of recognition for player experience etc. just seems to impede on the process of newer players actually becoming well known/respected in the community.
I think that you're extrapolating my argument to absolute terms, when I am not framing it as such.
I am not arguing that people who are well known or have green names are automatically responsible. I am not proposing a perfect scenario where bandwagoning and groupthink do not exist. I am suggesting small changes that I believe could potentially reduce the amount of these things. The name colors are a small change, and the difference may not even be perceptible. The removal of frags would be the much bigger change, that I think would have a more pronounced effect.
the301stspartanI think Lange has a point. But I also think that invite players are fucking good at tf2 and this is a tf2 website.
If you are a newb in competitive tf2 and you are browsing a tf2 thread, it should be safe to assume that invite players are knowledgable.
If you decide to read a thread about dota, religion or US finances and take a blue name's opinion for a fact, it's your own fault. That makes you a newb IRL (read: stupid).
I don't think that invite players should lose bragging rights to make it harder for some people to be stupid.
This is a valid point. We are a TF2 website, and letting people know who to listen to on TF2 affairs seems quite reasonable. Your point about "user-beware" when it comes to listening to TF2 experts on worldly matters is also sound.
My main concern though is with the treatment of players within our community. Sometimes, all it takes is a single post from an invite player lambasting someone for that individual to be completely ostracized and humiliated. This is what I am most interested in preventing. I should have made it clear that this was my main goal from the start.
[quote=Sparrow]I disagree. I think that players are far more likely to agree with names they know than anything else. There are tiers to these things that (prior to the elimination of blue names based on invite status) looked like this: well known player with blue/green > well known player > lesser known player with blue/green > everyone else.
I guess your argument is that people who are well known or have green names are responsible and won't misuse their reputations. This isn't really fair because it's not as if every player who would get recognition for making invite would misuse their names, and it doesn't mean that every player who is well known or has a green name now is consistently responsible and won't misuse theirs. Basically the elimination of blue names/lack of recognition for player experience etc. just seems to impede on the process of newer players actually becoming well known/respected in the community.[/quote]
I think that you're extrapolating my argument to absolute terms, when I am not framing it as such.
I am not arguing that people who are well known or have green names are automatically responsible. I am not proposing a perfect scenario where bandwagoning and groupthink do not exist. I am suggesting small changes that I believe could potentially reduce the amount of these things. The name colors are a small change, and the difference may not even be perceptible. The removal of frags would be the much bigger change, that I think would have a more pronounced effect.
[quote=the301stspartan]I think Lange has a point. But I also think that invite players are fucking good at tf2 and this is a tf2 website.
If you are a newb in competitive tf2 and you are browsing a tf2 thread, it should be safe to assume that invite players are knowledgable.
If you decide to read a thread about dota, religion or US finances and take a blue name's opinion for a fact, it's your own fault. That makes you a newb IRL (read: stupid).
I don't think that invite players should lose bragging rights to make it harder for some people to be stupid.[/quote]
This is a valid point. We are a TF2 website, and letting people know who to listen to on TF2 affairs seems quite reasonable. Your point about "user-beware" when it comes to listening to TF2 experts on worldly matters is also sound.
My main concern though is with the treatment of players within our community. Sometimes, all it takes is a single post from an invite player lambasting someone for that individual to be completely ostracized and humiliated. This is what I am most interested in preventing. I should have made it clear that this was my main goal from the start.
LangeSparrowI disagree. I think that players are far more likely to agree with names they know than anything else. There are tiers to these things that (prior to the elimination of blue names based on invite status) looked like this: well known player with blue/green > well known player > lesser known player with blue/green > everyone else.
I guess your argument is that people who are well known or have green names are responsible and won't misuse their reputations. This isn't really fair because it's not as if every player who would get recognition for making invite would misuse their names, and it doesn't mean that every player who is well known or has a green name now is consistently responsible and won't misuse theirs. Basically the elimination of blue names/lack of recognition for player experience etc. just seems to impede on the process of newer players actually becoming well known/respected in the community.
I think that you're extrapolating my argument to absolute terms, when I am not framing it as such.
I am not arguing that people who are well known or have green names are automatically responsible. I am not proposing a perfect scenario where bandwagoning and groupthink do not exist. I am suggesting small changes that I believe could potentially reduce the amount of these things. The name colors are a small change, and the difference may not even be perceptible. The removal of frags would be the much bigger change, that I think would have a more pronounced effect.
the301stspartanI think Lange has a point. But I also think that invite players are fucking good at tf2 and this is a tf2 website.
If you are a newb in competitive tf2 and you are browsing a tf2 thread, it should be safe to assume that invite players are knowledgable.
If you decide to read a thread about dota, religion or US finances and take a blue name's opinion for a fact, it's your own fault. That makes you a newb IRL (read: stupid).
I don't think that invite players should lose bragging rights to make it harder for some people to be stupid.
This is a valid point. We are a TF2 website, and letting people know who to listen to on TF2 affairs seems quite reasonable. Your point about "user-beware" when it comes to listening to TF2 experts on worldly matters is also sound.
My main concern though is with the treatment of players within our community. Sometimes, all it takes is a single post from an invite player lambasting someone for that individual to be completely ostracized and humiliated. This is what I am most interested in preventing. I should have made it clear that this was my main goal from the start.
I think you're missing my point. Your original post was about how allowing players to be recognized based on skill was a bad idea because it was possible for them to more easily influence the opinions of others. I think you sort of changed your argument to say that removing blue for invite means there will be less instances of a player having the ability to influence others.
I'm saying this is unfair because there already exists a number of people on the site who have name recognition that is influential in the opinions of other people. They have this regardless of their name color. By taking away blue names, you take away any additional influence of lower or less well known players who are newer to invite, but don't do anything to take away the influence of well known invite players, or even your own influence. Regardless of whether these players misuse it, they have it, and removing blue names makes it more difficult for other newer players to gain it, regardless of whether they would misuse it.
Also as to the last part of your post, getting rid of blue names doesn't get rid of invite players, therefore the situation you posed there is literally not at all impacted by the lack of blue names. What you should have said is "Sometimes all it takes is a single post from someone other people know is an invite player. . ."
You're basically interested in preventing people from knowing other people are invite players without having to look at esea rosters.
[quote=Lange][quote=Sparrow]I disagree. I think that players are far more likely to agree with names they know than anything else. There are tiers to these things that (prior to the elimination of blue names based on invite status) looked like this: well known player with blue/green > well known player > lesser known player with blue/green > everyone else.
I guess your argument is that people who are well known or have green names are responsible and won't misuse their reputations. This isn't really fair because it's not as if every player who would get recognition for making invite would misuse their names, and it doesn't mean that every player who is well known or has a green name now is consistently responsible and won't misuse theirs. Basically the elimination of blue names/lack of recognition for player experience etc. just seems to impede on the process of newer players actually becoming well known/respected in the community.[/quote]
I think that you're extrapolating my argument to absolute terms, when I am not framing it as such.
I am not arguing that people who are well known or have green names are automatically responsible. I am not proposing a perfect scenario where bandwagoning and groupthink do not exist. I am suggesting small changes that I believe could potentially reduce the amount of these things. The name colors are a small change, and the difference may not even be perceptible. The removal of frags would be the much bigger change, that I think would have a more pronounced effect.
[quote=the301stspartan]I think Lange has a point. But I also think that invite players are fucking good at tf2 and this is a tf2 website.
If you are a newb in competitive tf2 and you are browsing a tf2 thread, it should be safe to assume that invite players are knowledgable.
If you decide to read a thread about dota, religion or US finances and take a blue name's opinion for a fact, it's your own fault. That makes you a newb IRL (read: stupid).
I don't think that invite players should lose bragging rights to make it harder for some people to be stupid.[/quote]
This is a valid point. We are a TF2 website, and letting people know who to listen to on TF2 affairs seems quite reasonable. Your point about "user-beware" when it comes to listening to TF2 experts on worldly matters is also sound.
My main concern though is with the treatment of players within our community. Sometimes, all it takes is a single post from an invite player lambasting someone for that individual to be completely ostracized and humiliated. This is what I am most interested in preventing. I should have made it clear that this was my main goal from the start.[/quote]
I think you're missing my point. Your original post was about how allowing players to be recognized based on skill was a bad idea because it was possible for them to more easily influence the opinions of others. I think you sort of changed your argument to say that removing blue for invite means there will be less instances of a player having the ability to influence others.
I'm saying this is unfair because there already exists a number of people on the site who have name recognition that is influential in the opinions of other people. They have this regardless of their name color. By taking away blue names, you take away any additional influence of lower or less well known players who are newer to invite, but don't do anything to take away the influence of well known invite players, or even your own influence. Regardless of whether these players misuse it, they have it, and removing blue names makes it more difficult for other newer players to gain it, regardless of whether they would misuse it.
Also as to the last part of your post, getting rid of blue names doesn't get rid of invite players, therefore the situation you posed there is literally not at all impacted by the lack of blue names. What you should have said is "Sometimes all it takes is a single post from [i]someone other people know is[/i] an invite player. . ."
You're basically interested in preventing people from knowing other people are invite players without having to look at esea rosters.
atmoIf you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.
[quote=atmo]If you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.[/quote]
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.
brownymasteratmoIf you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.
On the other hand, I think being able to see who + or - fragged each post would make people think before they click the button, but that would be a hell in terms of resource consuming I imagine
[quote=brownymaster][quote=atmo]If you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.[/quote]
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.[/quote]
On the other hand, I think being able to see who + or - fragged each post would make people think before they click the button, but that would be a hell in terms of resource consuming I imagine
brownymasteratmoIf you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.
I think it would be fun. What's a greater social impetus, the desire to bandwagon or the desire to not be seen on the bandwagon?
[quote=brownymaster][quote=atmo]If you add a signature or public tracker of +/- frags people are less likely to use it vindictively, I expect. Much like with vBulletin etc.[/quote]
I think the opposite will happen and people will be more likely to -frag someone in the negative. Terrible idea.[/quote]
I think it would be fun. What's a greater social impetus, the desire to bandwagon or the desire to not be seen on the bandwagon?
I am going to try to not make any arguments or discuss anything except give a suggestion:
What if invite players can color their own names with any color that is not already used?
It would make things more interesting, without giving that shit visual of icons next to names.
I am going to try to not make any arguments or discuss anything except give a suggestion:
What if invite players can color their own names with any color that is not already used?
It would make things more interesting, without giving that shit visual of icons next to names.
"omg I need to buy a blue name on an unofficial game website MOM WHERE'S MY WALLET"
"omg I need to buy a blue name on an unofficial game website MOM WHERE'S MY WALLET"
atmoI think it would be fun. What's a greater social impetus, the desire to bandwagon or the desire to not be seen on the bandwagon?
Bandwagoning is generally rewarded, and +frags don't always mean you're the bandwagoner, so you just end up with a lot of people with +frags for no reason. There's no good reason to keep a tally, plus it's another useless calculation/entry in the DB.
[quote=atmo]I think it would be fun. What's a greater social impetus, the desire to bandwagon or the desire to not be seen on the bandwagon?[/quote]
Bandwagoning is generally rewarded, and +frags don't always mean you're the bandwagoner, so you just end up with a lot of people with +frags for no reason. There's no good reason to keep a tally, plus it's another useless calculation/entry in the DB.
It would certainly stop people from +fragging their own posts lol
It would certainly stop people from +fragging their own posts lol
Panda_PosseForgive me if this has already been posted but I personally would love to be able to have more posts viewable per page. Having to change pages every 30 posts or so can be a little annoying, especially when you want to find a specific post or user. I'm not sure how difficult that would be to implement, but I know I would probably pay for the ability to have all the comments on a post on one page.
added customizable posts/page (30/50/75/100)
E-thuglet me pay for half a year at a time. I hate it when this isn't optional.
added fixed payment options (1/2/3/6/12 months)
[quote=Panda_Posse]Forgive me if this has already been posted but I personally would love to be able to have more posts viewable per page. Having to change pages every 30 posts or so can be a little annoying, especially when you want to find a specific post or user. I'm not sure how difficult that would be to implement, but I know I would probably pay for the ability to have all the comments on a post on one page.[/quote]
added customizable posts/page (30/50/75/100)
[quote=E-thug]let me pay for half a year at a time. I hate it when this isn't optional.[/quote]
added fixed payment options (1/2/3/6/12 months)
Hmm...to cancel my twitch sub in favor of this...
+More money to TF.TV
-I enjoy not watching ads when refreshing the stream
-I don't really care about any of the TFTV+ perks.
Hmm
Hmm...to cancel my twitch sub in favor of this...
+More money to TF.TV
-I enjoy not watching ads when refreshing the stream
-I don't really care about any of the TFTV+ perks.
Hmm
forum highlighting/custom posts per page work really well for me
keep up the good work
forum highlighting/custom posts per page work really well for me
keep up the good work
Hello how do I get tftv+?
Hello how do I get tftv+?
can i get this free with my amazon prime subscription?
can i get this free with my amazon prime subscription?
knsumecan i get this free with my amazon prime subscription?
Twitch prime
[quote=knsume]can i get this free with my amazon prime subscription?[/quote]
Twitch prime
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hi
huh, didn't know about the [\color] tag
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huh, didn't know about the [\color] tag
a blue-colored name on the forums
mystery fucking solved
[quote]a blue-colored name on the forums [/quote]
mystery fucking solved