I literally started the thread by saying how everyone on this site immediately showed sympathy to ukraine and how everyone was reasonably civil, I make this thread and everyone says "what did you expect." The notion that because everyone in this site likes to shipost meaning we cant have like an actual discussion is stupid
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I literally started the thread by saying how everyone on this site immediately showed sympathy to ukraine and how everyone was reasonably civil, I make this thread and everyone says "what did you expect." The notion that because everyone in this site likes to shipost meaning we cant have like an actual discussion is stupid
VouriChris_
that's a nice and well thought out post you've written with a fun character assassination at the end but take a step back and think, if politically disconnected people such as charlie are disavowing people due to their support for the israeli government, maybe the israeli government is taking the wrong path. what israel is doing to the people living in gaza is pretty difficult for anyone, lay person to law professor, to argue against being genocidal.
for all the nuance you claim to have, you're doing a very good job trying to justify the murder of literally tens of thousands of people.
normal disclaimer i am unequivocally against hamas and their actions - but i ask that you consider how you would feel if you and your family were living in gaza right now, and ask yourself how current israeli military action is doing anything to prevent something like that happening again.
It is not a character assassination by any means, it’s to highlight the disconnect and startling irony of what is right and what is wrong in naive minds pantomiming as woke individuals.
I wish not a single Palestinian would die not a single Jew would die in this horrific war, I make no justification for the actions of the Israeli army by large, I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine, surely a starting point then is who started it if we’re using Russia and Ukraine as of 2014 let’s say, and Russia is the aggressor, why are we seeing something different here if in October 7th Hamas was the aggressor? My point initially highlights that we can’t pick and chose when history starts for countries conflicts. This conflict didn’t start on 7th of October that’s right but no one is mentioning the history leading up to it, and my original OP is that it also doesn’t begin in ‘48. If Russia’s death toll now in the next 6 months grew massively outgrowing Ukraine’s, would our POV and sympathies shift?
What makes the atrocities so much more speculative to us between Israel and Palestine then say the actual genocide in Sudan, Yemen Iraq & Syria ?!
There is a strange fetish with Jews and their actions and their activities around the world throughout history, and it’s only repeating itself. I’d hate to think how an actual Jew feels.
Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? You place a lot of emphasis on the people in Gaza and the Israel government and I concede it’s wrongdoing, but can you tell me how you hold Hamas accountable?
[quote=Vouri][quote=Chris_][/quote]
that's a nice and well thought out post you've written with a fun character assassination at the end but take a step back and think, if politically disconnected people such as charlie are disavowing people due to their support for the israeli government, maybe the israeli government is taking the wrong path. what israel is doing to the people living in gaza is pretty difficult for anyone, lay person to law professor, to argue against being genocidal.
for all the nuance you claim to have, you're doing a very good job trying to justify the murder of literally tens of thousands of people.
normal disclaimer i am unequivocally against hamas and their actions - but i ask that you consider how you would feel if you and your family were living in gaza right now, and ask yourself how current israeli military action is doing anything to prevent something like that happening again.[/quote]
It is not a character assassination by any means, it’s to highlight the disconnect and startling irony of what is right and what is wrong in naive minds pantomiming as woke individuals.
I wish not a single Palestinian would die not a single Jew would die in this horrific war, I make no justification for the actions of the Israeli army by large, I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine, surely a starting point then is who started it if we’re using Russia and Ukraine as of 2014 let’s say, and Russia is the aggressor, why are we seeing something different here if in October 7th Hamas was the aggressor? My point initially highlights that we can’t pick and chose when history starts for countries conflicts. This conflict didn’t start on 7th of October that’s right but no one is mentioning the history leading up to it, and my original OP is that it also doesn’t begin in ‘48. If Russia’s death toll now in the next 6 months grew massively outgrowing Ukraine’s, would our POV and sympathies shift?
What makes the atrocities so much more speculative to us between Israel and Palestine then say the actual genocide in Sudan, Yemen Iraq & Syria ?!
There is a strange fetish with Jews and their actions and their activities around the world throughout history, and it’s only repeating itself. I’d hate to think how an actual Jew feels.
Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? You place a lot of emphasis on the people in Gaza and the Israel government and I concede it’s wrongdoing, but can you tell me how you hold Hamas accountable?
that's a nice and well thought out post you've written with a fun character assassination at the end but take a step back and think, if politically disconnected people such as charlie are disavowing people due to their support for the israeli government, maybe the israeli government is taking the wrong path. what israel is doing to the people living in gaza is pretty difficult for anyone, lay person to law professor, to argue against being genocidal.
for all the nuance you claim to have, you're doing a very good job trying to justify the murder of literally tens of thousands of people.
normal disclaimer i am unequivocally against hamas and their actions - but i ask that you consider how you would feel if you and your family were living in gaza right now, and ask yourself how current israeli military action is doing anything to prevent something like that happening again.[/quote]
It is not a character assassination by any means, it’s to highlight the disconnect and startling irony of what is right and what is wrong in naive minds pantomiming as woke individuals.
I wish not a single Palestinian would die not a single Jew would die in this horrific war, I make no justification for the actions of the Israeli army by large, I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine, surely a starting point then is who started it if we’re using Russia and Ukraine as of 2014 let’s say, and Russia is the aggressor, why are we seeing something different here if in October 7th Hamas was the aggressor? My point initially highlights that we can’t pick and chose when history starts for countries conflicts. This conflict didn’t start on 7th of October that’s right but no one is mentioning the history leading up to it, and my original OP is that it also doesn’t begin in ‘48. If Russia’s death toll now in the next 6 months grew massively outgrowing Ukraine’s, would our POV and sympathies shift?
What makes the atrocities so much more speculative to us between Israel and Palestine then say the actual genocide in Sudan, Yemen Iraq & Syria ?!
There is a strange fetish with Jews and their actions and their activities around the world throughout history, and it’s only repeating itself. I’d hate to think how an actual Jew feels.
Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? You place a lot of emphasis on the people in Gaza and the Israel government and I concede it’s wrongdoing, but can you tell me how you hold Hamas accountable?
Chris_ I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
Chris_Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza?
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
[quote=Chris_] I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine[/quote]
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
Wild_RumpusChris_You have this idea that there is loss on both sides, that you know of people that both died defending their homeland and who died serving in the idf, and as a result both sides are suffering and a peace needs to meet in the middle. this is no more nuanced an idea than claiming that apartheid south africa is actually "too complex" because both boers and indigenous south africans suffered death, and what really needs to happen is for south africa to "free" the bantustans from anc terrorism. otherwise the very real genocide of white south africans would happen, unlike the "buzzword" genocide of indigenous south africans
Its easy to understand how ridiculous this sounds because of the benefit of hindsight, but the power dynamics in israel are nearly the same, as theyre both settler-colonial apartheid states. So why is it so difficult now?
I dislike comparisons between current or previous wars & or genocide as they don’t hold in truth to the history of what is actually happening now between Israel and Palestine, in history between Israel and Palestine or in history between Arabs and Jews, it’s just a comfort blanket for otherwise, non-geographically related, history minded people to try their best to draw parallels.
Israel is not a genocidal state, and in an attempt to ascribe it as such would be discrediting its history long before we non Jews decided to recognise the relevance of Jews. (See 6 millions deaths WW2).
[quote=Wild_Rumpus][quote=Chris_][/quote]
You have this idea that there is loss on both sides, that you know of people that both died defending their homeland and who died serving in the idf, and as a result both sides are suffering and a peace needs to meet in the middle. this is no more nuanced an idea than claiming that apartheid south africa is actually "too complex" because both boers and indigenous south africans suffered death, and what really needs to happen is for south africa to "free" the bantustans from anc terrorism. otherwise the very real genocide of white south africans would happen, unlike the "buzzword" genocide of indigenous south africans
Its easy to understand how ridiculous this sounds because of the benefit of hindsight, but the power dynamics in israel are nearly the same, as theyre both settler-colonial apartheid states. So why is it so difficult now?[/quote]
I dislike comparisons between current or previous wars & or genocide as they don’t hold in truth to the history of what is actually happening now between Israel and Palestine, in history between Israel and Palestine or in history between Arabs and Jews, it’s just a comfort blanket for otherwise, non-geographically related, history minded people to try their best to draw parallels.
Israel is not a genocidal state, and in an attempt to ascribe it as such would be discrediting its history long before we non Jews decided to recognise the relevance of Jews. (See 6 millions deaths WW2).
You have this idea that there is loss on both sides, that you know of people that both died defending their homeland and who died serving in the idf, and as a result both sides are suffering and a peace needs to meet in the middle. this is no more nuanced an idea than claiming that apartheid south africa is actually "too complex" because both boers and indigenous south africans suffered death, and what really needs to happen is for south africa to "free" the bantustans from anc terrorism. otherwise the very real genocide of white south africans would happen, unlike the "buzzword" genocide of indigenous south africans
Its easy to understand how ridiculous this sounds because of the benefit of hindsight, but the power dynamics in israel are nearly the same, as theyre both settler-colonial apartheid states. So why is it so difficult now?[/quote]
I dislike comparisons between current or previous wars & or genocide as they don’t hold in truth to the history of what is actually happening now between Israel and Palestine, in history between Israel and Palestine or in history between Arabs and Jews, it’s just a comfort blanket for otherwise, non-geographically related, history minded people to try their best to draw parallels.
Israel is not a genocidal state, and in an attempt to ascribe it as such would be discrediting its history long before we non Jews decided to recognise the relevance of Jews. (See 6 millions deaths WW2).
Wild_RumpusChris_ I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestinei actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraumChris_Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza?this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus][quote=Chris_] I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine[/quote]
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.
Chris_Wild_RumpusIf you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, *insane ramblings*Chris_ I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestinei actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraumChris_Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza?this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
can it not be both?
[quote=Chris_][quote=Wild_Rumpus][quote=Chris_] I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine[/quote]
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, *insane ramblings*[/quote]
can it not be both?
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, *insane ramblings*[/quote]
can it not be both?
Chris_Wild_RumpusChris_ I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestinei actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraumChris_Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza?this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.
Alot of claims that are aimed towards Hamas are fabricated, with no solid proof ever being made public, while there are countless first hand accounts, videos, and pictures of what Palestinians and even Jews suffer under the Israeli occupation. Even if all the claims were true, it STILL does not ever justify the collective punishment that Palestinians are suffering right now, the targeted famine, indiscriminate bombing of residential blocks, hospitals, schools, ambulances, and the alarmingly high number of journalist casualties, cutting down olive trees, so even in this world that the mass media paints of Hamas being unanimously evil, the Israeli occupation is capable of worse and HAS done far worse
[quote=Chris_][quote=Wild_Rumpus][quote=Chris_] I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine[/quote]
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.[/quote] Alot of claims that are aimed towards Hamas are fabricated, with no solid proof ever being made public, while there are countless first hand accounts, videos, and pictures of what Palestinians and even Jews suffer under the Israeli occupation. Even if all the claims were true, it STILL does not ever justify the collective punishment that Palestinians are suffering right now, the targeted famine, indiscriminate bombing of residential blocks, hospitals, schools, ambulances, and the alarmingly high number of journalist casualties, cutting down olive trees, so even in this world that the mass media paints of Hamas being unanimously evil, the Israeli occupation is capable of worse and HAS done far worse
i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum
[quote=Chris_]Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza? [/quote]
this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression[/quote]
If you believe that Hamas is ‘resistance’ as opposed to a terrorist organisation, then you hold no validity to further claims on the matter, you simply support the barbaric killing and raping of civilians in the name of Jihad & antisemitism. Must be nice to be able to have your antisemitic deep thoughts be given a foundation through modern day western cheerleaded ISIS.[/quote] Alot of claims that are aimed towards Hamas are fabricated, with no solid proof ever being made public, while there are countless first hand accounts, videos, and pictures of what Palestinians and even Jews suffer under the Israeli occupation. Even if all the claims were true, it STILL does not ever justify the collective punishment that Palestinians are suffering right now, the targeted famine, indiscriminate bombing of residential blocks, hospitals, schools, ambulances, and the alarmingly high number of journalist casualties, cutting down olive trees, so even in this world that the mass media paints of Hamas being unanimously evil, the Israeli occupation is capable of worse and HAS done far worse
EnzoDBI literally started the thread by saying how everyone on this site immediately showed sympathy to ukraine and how everyone was reasonably civil, I make this thread and everyone says "what did you expect." The notion that because everyone in this site likes to shipost meaning we cant have like an actual discussion is stupid
i think an important thing to understand is that unlike russia/ukraine where the mainstream stance is to be against russia, the mainstream stance in the west is supporting israel, which immediately is going to make threads in support of palestine like this much much worse, and im not even factoring in that due to israel being a jewish state there's 100% going to be antisemitic posts as well. while i do agree with you that it does fucking suck that people are trying to derail the thread, the unfortunate reality is that an actual discussion isn't going to be much better than shit flinging.
[quote=EnzoDB]I literally started the thread by saying how everyone on this site immediately showed sympathy to ukraine and how everyone was reasonably civil, I make this thread and everyone says "what did you expect." The notion that because everyone in this site likes to shipost meaning we cant have like an actual discussion is stupid[/quote]
i think an important thing to understand is that unlike russia/ukraine where the mainstream stance is to be against russia, the mainstream stance in the west is supporting israel, which immediately is going to make threads in support of palestine like this much much worse, and im not even factoring in that due to israel being a jewish state there's 100% going to be antisemitic posts as well. while i do agree with you that it does fucking suck that people are trying to derail the thread, the unfortunate reality is that an actual discussion isn't going to be much better than shit flinging.
i think an important thing to understand is that unlike russia/ukraine where the mainstream stance is to be against russia, the mainstream stance in the west is supporting israel, which immediately is going to make threads in support of palestine like this much much worse, and im not even factoring in that due to israel being a jewish state there's 100% going to be antisemitic posts as well. while i do agree with you that it does fucking suck that people are trying to derail the thread, the unfortunate reality is that an actual discussion isn't going to be much better than shit flinging.
Chris_
If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide
[quote=Chris_][/quote]
If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide
If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide
Vouri
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide
brainwashed 95 iq centrist that believes in bbc news is probably why he wont admit it
[quote=Vouri]
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide[/quote]
brainwashed 95 iq centrist that believes in bbc news is probably why he wont admit it
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide[/quote]
brainwashed 95 iq centrist that believes in bbc news is probably why he wont admit it
JwIf you support mass immigration from Palestine and the surrounding region, then you support Israel. Israel wants you to support the mass immigration of Arabs to the West. In order to be anti-Israel, I must be anti-immigration from the Middle East. It is in the strategic interest of US politicians to take in as many Arabs as possible, because this strengthens Israel, and these politicians are bought and sold (as you know) by the Israel lobby.
wild how if u think about this for more than about 9 seconds it becomes absolute meaningless gibberish. the only possible lens that would make any of this make any fucking sense at all is that of both overblown antisemitic conspiracism and anti-arabic racism/islamophobia
JwCould it be that the US is pro-Israel
yes, demonstrably, but not in the antisemitic way that u mean
Jwor perhaps favors how immigrants tend to vote?
no, demonstrably, especially not in the islamophobic way that u mean
[quote=Jw]If you support mass immigration from Palestine and the surrounding region, then you support Israel. Israel [i]wants you[/i] to support the mass immigration of Arabs to the West. In order to be anti-Israel, I must be anti-immigration from the Middle East. It is in the strategic interest of US politicians to take in as many Arabs as possible, because this strengthens Israel, and these politicians are bought and sold (as you know) by the Israel lobby.[/quote]
wild how if u think about this for more than about 9 seconds it becomes absolute meaningless gibberish. the only possible lens that would make any of this make any fucking sense at all is that of both overblown antisemitic conspiracism and anti-arabic racism/islamophobia
[quote=Jw]Could it be that the US is pro-Israel[/quote]
yes, demonstrably, but not in the antisemitic way that u mean
[quote=Jw]or perhaps favors how immigrants tend to vote?[/quote]
no, demonstrably, especially not in the islamophobic way that u mean
wild how if u think about this for more than about 9 seconds it becomes absolute meaningless gibberish. the only possible lens that would make any of this make any fucking sense at all is that of both overblown antisemitic conspiracism and anti-arabic racism/islamophobia
[quote=Jw]Could it be that the US is pro-Israel[/quote]
yes, demonstrably, but not in the antisemitic way that u mean
[quote=Jw]or perhaps favors how immigrants tend to vote?[/quote]
no, demonstrably, especially not in the islamophobic way that u mean
VouriChris_If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide
I appreciate the response,
As for the last point, simply because the Israeli governments goal post 7th of October is understandably to wipe out hamas in Gaza. Not Palestinian people (= genocide) but Hamas (=anti terrorist war). Hamas has led to as many if not more of its ‘own’ people’s death by the nature of its operation and existence than Israel has or would have if it wasn’t for Hamas’ existence. They’re literally a circular reference of terror. We’re all siting here on tftv arguing that the current death toll in Gaza is on the back of the Israeli government being bored and wanting to make use of the financial years worth of iron dome miles.
If anyone wants to tell me the death toll isn’t accountable also to hamas then I’m talking either to professional devil advocates or antisemitic terrorist sympathisers
[quote=Vouri][quote=Chris_][/quote]
If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide[/quote]
I appreciate the response,
As for the last point, simply because the Israeli governments goal post 7th of October is understandably to wipe out hamas in Gaza. Not Palestinian people (= genocide) but Hamas (=anti terrorist war). Hamas has led to as many if not more of its ‘own’ people’s death by the nature of its operation and existence than Israel has or would have if it wasn’t for Hamas’ existence. They’re literally a circular reference of terror. We’re all siting here on tftv arguing that the current death toll in Gaza is on the back of the Israeli government being bored and wanting to make use of the financial years worth of iron dome miles.
If anyone wants to tell me the death toll isn’t accountable also to hamas then I’m talking either to professional devil advocates or antisemitic terrorist sympathisers
If Ukraine suddenly began an unimpeded assault on the entire western portion of Russia, resulting in many tens of thousands of deaths, i think sympathy would shift rapidly
I agree that many are using the actions of the Israeli government to justify antisemitism
Hamas are a detriment to the wellbeing of all Palestinians, and to catch up on the thread, they are ultimately a terrorist organisation regardless of motive. honestly i have no idea how to hold hamas accountable - institutional responsibility would suggest that israel should start in qatar, or lebanon like they did today, but at a time like this others will just take their place. any solution i offer that excludes (or attempts to punish) those sympathetic to the ideology of hamas involves state/peace planning that no one smarter than me has figured out yet
I really just don't understand how you either can't see or won't admit that what Israel is doing is genocide[/quote]
I appreciate the response,
As for the last point, simply because the Israeli governments goal post 7th of October is understandably to wipe out hamas in Gaza. Not Palestinian people (= genocide) but Hamas (=anti terrorist war). Hamas has led to as many if not more of its ‘own’ people’s death by the nature of its operation and existence than Israel has or would have if it wasn’t for Hamas’ existence. They’re literally a circular reference of terror. We’re all siting here on tftv arguing that the current death toll in Gaza is on the back of the Israeli government being bored and wanting to make use of the financial years worth of iron dome miles.
If anyone wants to tell me the death toll isn’t accountable also to hamas then I’m talking either to professional devil advocates or antisemitic terrorist sympathisers
tag yourself, im antisemitic terrorist sympathiser
tag yourself, im antisemitic terrorist sympathiser
hm today I will make a thread about israel-palestine on a gaming forum and not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7, which the majority of palestinians endorse and which I provide implicit justification for and which is the only reason I even know anything about this subject (I watched a video by my favorite political streamer/youtuber and I repeat all his talking points). I will further try to compare this conflict to russia-ukraine despite russia's aggression being clearly unprompted and recognized as a violation of international law by the ICC and Israel only getting meaningless UN resolutions. Join me, fellow young (leftist) overconfident men in speculating about this complex conflict on tftv.
hm today I will make a thread about israel-palestine on a gaming forum and not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7, which the majority of palestinians endorse and which I provide implicit justification for and which is the only reason I even know anything about this subject (I watched a video by my favorite political streamer/youtuber and I repeat all his talking points). I will further try to compare this conflict to russia-ukraine despite russia's aggression being clearly unprompted and recognized as a violation of international law by the ICC and Israel only getting meaningless UN resolutions. Join me, fellow young (leftist) overconfident men in speculating about this complex conflict on tftv.
today i will be a sheltered white guy in europe who reads mainstream news or better yet, some retarded right wing wingnut on youchube and pretend i know everything about israel-palestine because i hate brown people :D
today i will be a sheltered white guy in europe who reads mainstream news or better yet, some retarded right wing wingnut on youchube and pretend i know everything about israel-palestine because i hate brown people :D
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subhumanthis thread is 100% gonna get locked within a day but can the mods please wait until after we get at least 1 mustardoverlord post no politics thread is complete without him
"in defense of israel"
[quote=subhuman]this thread is 100% gonna get locked within a day but can the mods please wait until after we get at least 1 mustardoverlord post no politics thread is complete without him[/quote]
"in defense of israel"
"in defense of israel"
aratingamy dream is to be a North American™ and pay taxes to fund the bombing of children and refugees
dream uPDATED. Now I want to be European© and believe that israel is fighting the bad guys! And if you disagree with me u probably an antisemitic nazi lolool (I'll also someday join IDF and fight the reign of terror represented by these maimed 9 yo's
[quote=aratinga]my dream is to be a North American™ and pay taxes to fund the bombing of children and refugees[/quote]
dream uPDATED. Now I want to be European© and believe that israel is fighting the bad guys! And if you disagree with me u probably an antisemitic nazi lolool (I'll also someday join IDF and fight the reign of terror represented by these maimed 9 yo's
dream uPDATED. Now I want to be European© and believe that israel is fighting the bad guys! And if you disagree with me u probably an antisemitic nazi lolool (I'll also someday join IDF and fight the reign of terror represented by these maimed 9 yo's
It's always funny to me to see a bunch of fat americans who sit at home and play video games talk about other countries and talk about what's right and what isn't.. only if i had good enough vocabulary to explain how stupid most of you really are...
It's always funny to me to see a bunch of fat americans who sit at home and play video games talk about other countries and talk about what's right and what isn't.. only if i had good enough vocabulary to explain how stupid most of you really are...
When you cut off 90% of Palestinians from having access to drinkable water, bomb as many residential buildings you can, bomb all but 13 hospitals, bomb almost every school, cut all Palestinians electricity, stop food trucks from entering, and kill tens of thousands of civilians because you value an Israeli soldier life 100x the value of a Palestinian civilian life, this is not an efficient way of getting rid of Hamas. It is collective punishment, and genocide. All civilians in Gaza are trapped in Gaza by Israel, and Israel is essentially dropping bombs on top of them in the off chance that the bomb also reaches an underground tunnel directly under them that happens to have a Hamas member in it. There is nothing, nothing that can possibly justify the tactics Israel is using on Gaza.
When you cut off 90% of Palestinians from having access to drinkable water, bomb as many residential buildings you can, bomb all but 13 hospitals, bomb almost every school, cut all Palestinians electricity, stop food trucks from entering, and kill tens of thousands of civilians because you value an Israeli soldier life 100x the value of a Palestinian civilian life, this is not an efficient way of getting rid of Hamas. It is collective punishment, and genocide. All civilians in Gaza are trapped in Gaza by Israel, and Israel is essentially dropping bombs on top of them in the off chance that the bomb also reaches an underground tunnel directly under them that happens to have a Hamas member in it. There is nothing, nothing that can possibly justify the tactics Israel is using on Gaza.
pajaroWhen you cut off 90% of Palestinians from having access to drinkable water, bomb as many residential buildings you can, bomb all but 13 hospitals, bomb almost every school, cut all Palestinians electricity, stop food trucks from entering, and kill tens of thousands of civilians because you value an Israeli soldier life 100x the value of a Palestinian civilian life...
Exactly on point. It feels like Israel is doing everything it possibly can to seem like a cartoon villain in this conflict. It's a kind of ethnic-historical revenge motivated by an endless fountain of rage. There's normally a saying that even bad kings don't want to rule over ashes, but I saw a post by an Israel supporter literally saying that Gaza should be bulldozed and turned into a parking lot. I'm also reminded of a few videos of people in NYC and elsewhere saying that Palestinians should be killed and don't deserve water and food.
[quote=pajaro]When you cut off 90% of Palestinians from having access to drinkable water, bomb as many residential buildings you can, bomb all but 13 hospitals, bomb almost every school, cut all Palestinians electricity, stop food trucks from entering, and kill tens of thousands of civilians because you value an Israeli soldier life 100x the value of a Palestinian civilian life...[/quote]Exactly on point. It feels like Israel is doing everything it possibly can to seem like a cartoon villain in this conflict. It's a kind of ethnic-historical revenge motivated by an endless fountain of rage. There's normally a saying that even bad kings don't want to rule over ashes, but I saw a post by an Israel supporter literally saying that Gaza should be bulldozed and turned into a parking lot. I'm also reminded of a few videos of people in NYC and elsewhere saying that Palestinians should be killed and don't deserve water and food.
EnzoDBThanks for derailing my serious thread guys, glad to know how serious everyone takes this topic
U might have maybe a single neuron firing in your brain if u think TFTV is a place for serious polititcs discussion
[quote=EnzoDB]Thanks for derailing my serious thread guys, glad to know how serious everyone takes this topic[/quote]
U might have maybe a single neuron firing in your brain if u think TFTV is a place for serious polititcs discussion
U might have maybe a single neuron firing in your brain if u think TFTV is a place for serious polititcs discussion
EnzoDBThanks for derailing my serious thread guys, glad to know how serious everyone takes this topic
It's a gaming forum.
Also a lot of people who are playing videogames have extermist views/are racist/homophobic etc. It is better to derail it than give those kinds of people a platform to spew their shite.
[quote=EnzoDB]Thanks for derailing my serious thread guys, glad to know how serious everyone takes this topic[/quote]
It's a gaming forum.
Also a lot of people who are playing videogames have extermist views/are racist/homophobic etc. It is better to derail it than give those kinds of people a platform to spew their shite.
It's a gaming forum.
Also a lot of people who are playing videogames have extermist views/are racist/homophobic etc. It is better to derail it than give those kinds of people a platform to spew their shite.
Monghm today I will make a thread about israel-palestine on a gaming forum and not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7,
hm, today I will respond to a thread about israel-palestine and talk about october 7th, without mentioning anything Israel did pre-october 7th to provoke the attack, without mentioning that Israel knew about the attack before it happened, without mentioning that Israel targeted their own citizens during the attack, without mentioning that Israel significantly inflated the death toll from the attack and has brought the number down numerous times since then.
Mongwhich the majority of palestinians endorse
Hamas didn't even win the majority of the vote in the election in the last election in 2006, when 40% of the current population of Palestine wasn't even born yet, and upwards of 70% wouldn't have been old enough to vote.
[quote=Mong]hm today I will make a thread about israel-palestine on a gaming forum and not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7, [/quote]
hm, today I will respond to a thread about israel-palestine and talk about october 7th, without mentioning anything Israel did pre-october 7th to provoke the attack, without mentioning that Israel knew about the attack before it happened, without mentioning that Israel targeted their own citizens during the attack, without mentioning that Israel significantly inflated the death toll from the attack and has brought the number down numerous times since then.
[quote=Mong]which the majority of palestinians endorse [/quote]
Hamas didn't even win the majority of the vote in the election in the last election in 2006, when 40% of the current population of Palestine wasn't even born yet, and upwards of 70% wouldn't have been old enough to vote.
hm, today I will respond to a thread about israel-palestine and talk about october 7th, without mentioning anything Israel did pre-october 7th to provoke the attack, without mentioning that Israel knew about the attack before it happened, without mentioning that Israel targeted their own citizens during the attack, without mentioning that Israel significantly inflated the death toll from the attack and has brought the number down numerous times since then.
[quote=Mong]which the majority of palestinians endorse [/quote]
Hamas didn't even win the majority of the vote in the election in the last election in 2006, when 40% of the current population of Palestine wasn't even born yet, and upwards of 70% wouldn't have been old enough to vote.
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