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#121
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harbleuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl9POuP0Os
looks pretty fishy to me

The clip with flusha on mirage was edited.
edited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIwj-IpHSg&t=33s
original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfL0UP6cb_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=17m16s

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2n5rp1/mods_deleting_evidence_videos_why/cmakju2

Edit: For clarification, a few frames were removed in the edited clip that resulted in the snappy aimbot-like mouse movement. In the original clip he was simply checking Balcony.

[quote=harbleu]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl9POuP0Os
looks pretty fishy to me[/quote]
The clip with flusha on mirage was edited.
edited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIwj-IpHSg&t=33s
original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfL0UP6cb_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=17m16s

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2n5rp1/mods_deleting_evidence_videos_why/cmakju2

Edit: For clarification, a few frames were removed in the edited clip that resulted in the snappy aimbot-like mouse movement. In the original clip he was simply checking Balcony.
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#122
1 Frags +
Grapistharbleuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl9POuP0Os
looks pretty fishy to me
The clip with flusha on mirage was edited.
edited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIwj-IpHSg&t=33s
original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfL0UP6cb_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=17m16s

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2n5rp1/mods_deleting_evidence_videos_why/cmakju2

that was the same thing twice.
i dont understand.
one was just recorded at a higher framerate???
or perhaps it was just the stv for the first clip and the spec view for the second

[quote=Grapist][quote=harbleu]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl9POuP0Os
looks pretty fishy to me[/quote]
The clip with flusha on mirage was edited.
edited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIwj-IpHSg&t=33s
original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfL0UP6cb_Q&feature=youtu.be&t=17m16s

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2n5rp1/mods_deleting_evidence_videos_why/cmakju2[/quote]
that was the same thing twice.
i dont understand.
one was just recorded at a higher framerate???
or perhaps it was just the stv for the first clip and the spec view for the second
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#123
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downpourthat was the same thing twice.
i dont understand.
one was just recorded at a higher framerate???
or perhaps it was just the stv for the first clip and the spec view for the second

The second one was from the spectator inside the game server (aka no tic degradation) and unlike the STV demos the crosshair doesn't come as spot on to the head. He just looks at palace entrance then turns away, which is much less suspicious.

Honestly after seeing the second video I'm not convinced he was cheating there.

Something like this is more suspicious, but without the demo I don't know if the lock on was truly on point.
http://gfycat.com/PleasantUnluckyJaeger#?speed=0.125

[quote=downpour]
that was the same thing twice.
i dont understand.
one was just recorded at a higher framerate???
or perhaps it was just the stv for the first clip and the spec view for the second[/quote]
The second one was from the spectator inside the game server (aka no tic degradation) and unlike the STV demos the crosshair doesn't come as spot on to the head. He just looks at palace entrance then turns away, which is much less suspicious.

Honestly after seeing the second video I'm not convinced he was cheating there.

Something like this is more suspicious, but without the demo I don't know if the lock on was truly on point.
http://gfycat.com/PleasantUnluckyJaeger#?speed=0.125
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#124
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Honestly the most suspicious are the ones where on the 12 bullet he gets lucky headshots like on mirage with that 3k clutch where the 12th bullet landed as a headshot while he was spraying and moving. Then the inferno 2k where the 12th bullet randomly headshots the guy behind where he was running and spraying. Those show pretty clearly that he uses aim assist and is exactly what seizune explained on hltv and his blog. I really hope that during the event he gets banned and just like has to walk off the stage.

Honestly the most suspicious are the ones where on the 12 bullet he gets lucky headshots like on mirage with that 3k clutch where the 12th bullet landed as a headshot while he was spraying and moving. Then the inferno 2k where the 12th bullet randomly headshots the guy behind where he was running and spraying. Those show pretty clearly that he uses aim assist and is exactly what seizune explained on hltv and his blog. I really hope that during the event he gets banned and just like has to walk off the stage.
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#125
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http://i.gyazo.com/be7d04b780a27f5ecf2785c56ce5a064.gif

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls

[img]http://i.gyazo.com/be7d04b780a27f5ecf2785c56ce5a064.gif[/img]

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls
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#126
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RRPgif

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls

to be fair, hes probably just shooting a common spot people play at while a person happens to be farther behind it... while aiming directly at his head...
probably...

[quote=RRP][img]gif[/img]

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls[/quote]
to be fair, hes probably just shooting a common spot people play at while a person happens to be farther behind it... while aiming directly at his head...
probably...
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#127
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I think it's very hard with CSGO, the bust/boost movie stuff has been used for ages, I'm sure if you did the same thing to other CSGO players you'd get similar results.

Out of everything so far the only two I find suspicious are the inferno/mirage ones. The rest if I'm honest can just be 100% luck.

I don't follow the CSGO scene a lot but would/could flusha be banned without proof from an AC? When I used to play 1.6 and CSS some leagues would have anti cheat admins or something similar to check peoples demos and make a decision (like ETF2L). Not sure if something could apply to such a high profile player/situation.

I think it's very hard with CSGO, the bust/boost movie stuff has been used for ages, I'm sure if you did the same thing to other CSGO players you'd get similar results.

Out of everything so far the only two I find suspicious are the inferno/mirage ones. The rest if I'm honest can just be 100% luck.

I don't follow the CSGO scene a lot but would/could flusha be banned without proof from an AC? When I used to play 1.6 and CSS some leagues would have anti cheat admins or something similar to check peoples demos and make a decision (like ETF2L). Not sure if something could apply to such a high profile player/situation.
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#128
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WARHURYEAHI don't follow the CSGO scene a lot but would/could flusha be banned without proof from an AC? When I used to play 1.6 and CSS some leagues would have anti cheat admins or something similar to check peoples demos and make a decision (like ETF2L). Not sure if something could apply to such a high profile player/situation.

I think the important distinction here is that people are claiming that, with how subtle the new hot silent aimbot that everyone seems to be using is, cheating on lan is a lot more plausible than it used to be.

Now, I'm still not personally convinced that any of these people with the possible exception of sf attempted to cheat on lan, but given that such is apparently a possibility, having anti-cheat admins looking at online results suddenly seems like less of a priority for the top teams that go to all the lans anyways.

[quote=WARHURYEAH]
I don't follow the CSGO scene a lot but would/could flusha be banned without proof from an AC? When I used to play 1.6 and CSS some leagues would have anti cheat admins or something similar to check peoples demos and make a decision (like ETF2L). Not sure if something could apply to such a high profile player/situation.[/quote]

I think the important distinction here is that people are claiming that, with how subtle the new hot silent aimbot that everyone seems to be using is, cheating on lan is a lot more plausible than it used to be.

Now, I'm still not personally convinced that any of these people with the possible exception of sf attempted to cheat on lan, but given that such is apparently a possibility, having anti-cheat admins looking at online results suddenly seems like less of a priority for the top teams that go to all the lans anyways.
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#129
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Also the dust 2 video against navi is weird af for me mainly because as soon as he does that weird ass flick he just knows he is ramp. He completely gives himself up to cat and ct and only focuses on ramp. Some people say he heard the auto sniper scope but at LAN they say your hearing is greatly impaired so...

Also the dust 2 video against navi is weird af for me mainly because as soon as he does that weird ass flick he just knows he is ramp. He completely gives himself up to cat and ct and only focuses on ramp. Some people say he heard the auto sniper scope but at LAN they say your hearing is greatly impaired so...
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#130
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RRPhttp://i.gyazo.com/be7d04b780a27f5ecf2785c56ce5a064.gif

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls

definitely the most convincing evidence I've seen so far...

Honestly though a good experience AC admin would probably mark a lot of them as suspicious and then wait until they got to LAN and realize the could also do it on LAN and thus are unsure if they might actually be that skilled.

[quote=RRP][img]http://i.gyazo.com/be7d04b780a27f5ecf2785c56ce5a064.gif[/img]

Just casually checking wallbangs while fighting against aimlock through multiple walls[/quote]

definitely the most convincing evidence I've seen so far...

Honestly though a good experience AC admin would probably mark a lot of them as suspicious and then wait until they got to LAN and realize the could also do it on LAN and thus are unsure if they might actually be that skilled.
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#131
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I doubt anyone is going to keep hacking at LAN anymore so it's not like AC admins will get anything out of watching players now. They still should anyways, but I won't expect much.

I doubt anyone is going to keep hacking at LAN anymore so it's not like AC admins will get anything out of watching players now. They still should anyways, but I won't expect much.
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#132
16 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ

ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ[/youtube]
ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports
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#133
1 Frags +

People are misreading what the hack does, it gives you 10-15% more accuracy with shots(if you were moving or controlling spray), not autolocking heads and walling. If you see any pro player POV you are going to see them aim through random walls, but that doesn't justify them wallhacking altogether especially if they are known to have been playing at the top level for so long/ common spots/ callouts and gamesense. Kqly was a no-namer until GO, which adds to uncertainty about his skill. Flusha/JW has been in the top level of 1.6, and olof/krimz have been in top level of source. Also Fnatic have been rolling teams because of their teamplay and support, not fighting outrageous duels.

People are misreading what the hack does, it gives you 10-15% more accuracy with shots(if you were moving or controlling spray), not autolocking heads and walling. If you see any pro player POV you are going to see them aim through random walls, but that doesn't justify them wallhacking altogether especially if they are known to have been playing at the top level for so long/ common spots/ callouts and gamesense. Kqly was a no-namer until GO, which adds to uncertainty about his skill. Flusha/JW has been in the top level of 1.6, and olof/krimz have been in top level of source. Also Fnatic have been rolling teams because of their teamplay and support, not fighting outrageous duels.
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#134
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and if you want to be more specific, the cheat makes your 8th and 12th bullet a headshot 100% of the time

and if you want to be more specific, the cheat makes your 8th and 12th bullet a headshot 100% of the time
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#135
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Curse is running a 5k skin giveaway to celebrate DHW.

[quote]1x M9 Bayonet Fade (Factory New)
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1x Karambit Crimson Web (Field Tested)
1x Flip Knife Fade StatTrak (Factory New)
1x Huntsman Fade (Factory New)
1x Butterfly Knife Safari Mesh (Field Tested)
2x P2000 Fire Elemental StatTrak (Minimal Wear)
2x USP-S Orion StatTrak (Field Tested)
2x Glock Fade (Factory New)
2x CZ-75 Victoria StatTrak (Minimal Wear)
5x M4A1-S Cyrex (Minimal Wear)
5x M4A4 Asiimov (Field Tested)
10x AK-47 Vulcan (Field Tested)
10x AWP Asiimov (Field Tested)
20x P2000 Corticera (Factory New)
20x Glock Water Elemental (Field Tested)
23x FAMAS Pulse StatTrak (Factory New)[/quote]

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#136
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alfaand if you want to be more specific, the cheat makes your 8th and 12th bullet a headshot 100% of the time

the default settings of the hack. you can set that to any shot being a headshot, so you can't just look for any player that gets a headshot with #8 or #12 because it could be any #.

[quote=alfa]and if you want to be more specific, the cheat makes your 8th and 12th bullet a headshot 100% of the time[/quote]
the default settings of the hack. you can set that to any shot being a headshot, so you can't just look for any player that gets a headshot with #8 or #12 because it could be any #.
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#137
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Schweppeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ
ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports

to be fair nip just gayed them (got admins to run another ot after losing 6-1) and then still lost regardless i think most people would be mad

[quote=Schweppes][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ[/youtube]
ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports[/quote]
to be fair nip just gayed them (got admins to run another ot after losing 6-1) and then still lost regardless i think most people would be mad
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#138
2 Frags +

nip followed the rules. also, carn was pissed that fnatic didn't give a handshake, regardless of how 'gay' nip might have been

nip followed the rules. also, carn was pissed that fnatic didn't give a handshake, regardless of how 'gay' nip might have been
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#139
10 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGXMI6qtVWQ

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGXMI6qtVWQ[/youtube]
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#140
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Schweppeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ
ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports

I mean you have to understand where jw is coming from. As many people have come to realize, professional esporters are some of the most dedicated and hard working people on the planet. A little aggression is to be expected. Just look at the incredible physique jw has spent years crafting because of his dedication to the game.

http://static.hltv.org/images/galleries/6104-medium/1406984821.2753.jpeg

[quote=Schweppes][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ[/youtube]
ive never liked fnatic as a team

if they're cheating that only makes it worse

also jw has the most punchable face ive ever seen in esports[/quote]


I mean you have to understand where jw is coming from. As many people have come to realize, professional esporters are some of the most dedicated and hard working people on the planet. A little aggression is to be expected. Just look at the incredible physique jw has spent years crafting because of his dedication to the game.

[img]http://static.hltv.org/images/galleries/6104-medium/1406984821.2753.jpeg[/img]
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#141
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apparently more is supposed to come out tomorrow according to this guy: https://twitter.com/MooZE_99/status/536989618596749312

hltv forums say hes legit so we'll see

apparently more is supposed to come out tomorrow according to this guy: https://twitter.com/MooZE_99/status/536989618596749312

hltv forums say hes legit so we'll see
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#142
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I wouldn't trust hltv in telling me who's legit because they're all pretty retarded. Even more than reddit.

I wouldn't trust hltv in telling me who's legit because they're all pretty retarded. Even more than reddit.
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#143
0 Frags +

jw piggy piggy oink oink

jw piggy piggy oink oink
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#144
5 Frags +
Groove
I mean you have to understand where jw is coming from. As many people have come to realize, professional esporters are some of the most dedicated and hard working people on the planet. A little aggression is to be expected. Just look at the incredible physique jw has spent years crafting because of his dedication to the game.

http://static.hltv.org/images/galleries/6104-medium/1406984821.2753.jpeg

where his jaw @

[quote=Groove]


I mean you have to understand where jw is coming from. As many people have come to realize, professional esporters are some of the most dedicated and hard working people on the planet. A little aggression is to be expected. Just look at the incredible physique jw has spent years crafting because of his dedication to the game.

[img]http://static.hltv.org/images/galleries/6104-medium/1406984821.2753.jpeg[/img][/quote]
where his jaw @
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#145
2 Frags +
cMwapparently more is supposed to come out tomorrow according to this guy: https://twitter.com/MooZE_99/status/536989618596749312

hltv forums say hes legit so we'll see

I'm fully torqued right now

[quote=cMw]apparently more is supposed to come out tomorrow according to this guy: https://twitter.com/MooZE_99/status/536989618596749312

hltv forums say hes legit so we'll see[/quote]
I'm fully torqued right now
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#146
-6 Frags +

Just a few funny pictures if you guys haven't seen.

http://i.imgur.com/T7xT1LG.png

http://imgur.com/FSoAHMd.png

Will add some more tomorrow. My honest favorite are the ones of flusha and jw sweating as more band happen.

Just a few funny pictures if you guys haven't seen.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/T7xT1LG.png[/img]

[img]http://imgur.com/FSoAHMd.png[/img]

Will add some more tomorrow. My honest favorite are the ones of flusha and jw sweating as more band happen.
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#147
1 Frags +

so who do I bet all my skins on?

so who do I bet all my skins on?
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#148
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.

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#149
1 Frags +
BLoodSireso who do I bet all my skins on?

Fnatic to roll until Flusha gets VAC banned midway during a match.
Cloud 9 to lose to NiP in Quarter finals for the third straight Major.
Ibuyplanetickets to buy plane tickets.
Pasha to flex his biceps and win a second major.

[quote=BLoodSire]so who do I bet all my skins on?[/quote]

Fnatic to roll until Flusha gets VAC banned midway during a match.
Cloud 9 to lose to NiP in Quarter finals for the third straight Major.
Ibuyplanetickets to buy plane tickets.
Pasha to flex his biceps and win a second major.
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#150
2 Frags +
FenryrPeople are misreading what the hack does, it gives you 10-15% more accuracy with shots(if you were moving or controlling spray), not autolocking heads and walling. If you see any pro player POV you are going to see them aim through random walls, but that doesn't justify them wallhacking altogether especially if they are known to have been playing at the top level for so long/ common spots/ callouts and gamesense. Kqly was a no-namer until GO, which adds to uncertainty about his skill. Flusha/JW has been in the top level of 1.6, and olof/krimz have been in top level of source. Also Fnatic have been rolling teams because of their teamplay and support, not fighting outrageous duels.

this entire post is just....

1st of all no one really knows what the hack does, from what smn said about it and what rizla found out about it, it was basically supex0's hack suite which included aim locking/walling/triggerbot etc. obviously this can all be controlled by the user. This is also JUST supex0's hack, who knows about others out there. Originally it was billed as a slight aim assist, but a lot more has come out since then

2ndly i wouldnt say that flusha/jw/olof/krimz were top level 1.6/source players either... all of them were basically irrelevant in the scene. were they good at those games? sure they played on decent teams, but (and i might be wrong about olof/krimz but im 99% sure about flush/jw) none of them played on good or even great teams

3rdly fnatic are aim gods, everyone who plays them agrees. jw has absurd timing and reactions, olof/flusha/krimz all have absurd aim. does that mean theyre hacking? no, but its dumb to say shit like "fnatic is a team built around strategy and synergy not aim and reactions" when the team is so fundamentally built around aiming

again im not trying to tar and feather fnatic, i dont think anyone on fnatic is hacking including flusha, but its dumb to say shit that just isnt true... especially when a player like kqly had been playing actual top level cs longer than jw for example

[quote=Fenryr]People are misreading what the hack does, it gives you 10-15% more accuracy with shots(if you were moving or controlling spray), not autolocking heads and walling. If you see any pro player POV you are going to see them aim through random walls, but that doesn't justify them wallhacking altogether especially if they are known to have been playing at the top level for so long/ common spots/ callouts and gamesense. Kqly was a no-namer until GO, which adds to uncertainty about his skill. Flusha/JW has been in the top level of 1.6, and olof/krimz have been in top level of source. Also Fnatic have been rolling teams because of their teamplay and support, not fighting outrageous duels.[/quote]
this entire post is just....

1st of all no one really knows what the hack does, from what smn said about it and what rizla found out about it, it was basically supex0's hack suite which included aim locking/walling/triggerbot etc. obviously this can all be controlled by the user. This is also JUST supex0's hack, who knows about others out there. Originally it was billed as a slight aim assist, but a lot more has come out since then

2ndly i wouldnt say that flusha/jw/olof/krimz were top level 1.6/source players either... all of them were basically irrelevant in the scene. were they good at those games? sure they played on decent teams, but (and i might be wrong about olof/krimz but im 99% sure about flush/jw) none of them played on good or even great teams

3rdly fnatic are aim gods, everyone who plays them agrees. jw has absurd timing and reactions, olof/flusha/krimz all have absurd aim. does that mean theyre hacking? no, but its dumb to say shit like "fnatic is a team built around strategy and synergy not aim and reactions" when the team is so fundamentally built around aiming

again im not trying to tar and feather fnatic, i dont think anyone on fnatic is hacking including flusha, but its dumb to say shit that just isnt true... especially when a player like kqly had been playing actual top level cs longer than jw for example
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