the fact that those leagues failed are for a number of reasons but mostly because there is simply not a competitive playerbase to support multiple leagues. And it sure as hell isn't the community's fault most of tf2's playerbase doesn't know about competitive tf2...

dude the community has singlehandedly supported competitive tf2 for almost a decade, and competitive support isn't gonna be a thing much longer without valve's support. the reason why it's all deteriorating is because community members are finding it harder and harder to justify putting time into a game where they thought they would find support only to not find any from valve.

will the team skins be on it 8)

You're definitely right, but a fair part of the reason there is no incentive for community members is because valve has done essentially nothing for a game competitively. Very few games ever get anywhere as an "e-sport" without that, and since there's no money from either valve or money from people from valve's advertisements of the game.

You could say Valve has no incentive to support TF2, and directly, they don't. But there is the potential in this game, as much as it feels as if it's being wasted, and that could be huge for Valve. I'm not saying TF2 could become DOTA or even CS:GO level e-sport, but being even a tenth of the size of counter-strike would just exponentially increase the revenue TF2 could generate.

But no new community members are going to step it up with the lack of incentive right now, and I feel like even in it's small size right now, TF2's scene will only shrink without incentive

i think it's really moved from that to just people being upset that something they wanted so much (comp support + matchmaking) isn't really good at all, despite a lot of updates. i'd really also say that the general opinion of valve's communication is a positive now.

i used to feel really optimistic about it but in the last month or two it really just seems like it's going downhill, in combination with top teams/players leaving and valve being incompetent at advertising what really is comp tf2 (not their piece of garbage) as well as incompetently making their matchmaking system

i don't know why the latter is happening (only guess is they only want to promote their kind of "competitive"?) but i think it's a downhill spiral in influencing the former; why play tf2 which doesn't have any bigtime or (now, seemingly) any future comp support from devs when you have overwatch and all the things tf2 doesn't have, regardless of the quality of the games?

obv people will always play tf2 but i think people are more worried about whether that will be in any satisfying capacity or not :(

ya probably

if they love u too i dont think theyd really even care too much (or possibly too much but not too long) if you came out

i'm a pretty homophobic person but if my child was gay i'd probably get over it but idk that could just be me

that's def a shitty situation tho

e: what i was trying to say was summed up better by shdwpuppet

ya it's not good or anything but i wouldnt say its the single greatest threat to the fucking west lmao

the most infuriating part about all this is that while valve doesn't listen a whole lot to the community, the people they do listen to are sub-70 r/tf2 redditors with hours on tf2 matching their IQ

to be fair the "lole hats and pootis memes alol hahaha fun pootis games :DDDD" theme was getting them a lot of money

what is 17 Days, 0 Hours, 22 Minutes, 42 Seconds away from when you typed that

that's elliot

the valve server last push strategy

hi i'm phorofor *dies*

insanely disruptive to my retinas