Then they're fucking idiots.

Listening to /r/tf2 won't get you a well balanced competitive mode, it will get you a broken mess of a game. Oh wait...

was just surprised to find out that my match was getting casted on the forums rather than, you know, a dm or something

The TL;DR of your essay is that you think valve wants us to test different class limits, either because they've told you that or more likely because you think adding proper class limits are the natural next step in the development of matchmaking. Also, we shouldn't expect a functioning matchmaking system for another ~two years.

I just think the valve devs don't understand the game because they're bad, and this kind of delay on implementing basic things like proper class limits just proves it. I've been slowly losing faith in the TF team and this is pretty much just the last in a long line of idiotic things they've done... or more likely not done when they should have.

And I'm not going to waste my time playing 6s with 4 heavies allowed, and nor is anyone else on tftv. We know what works, we know why it works and if the tf team is too lazy to put in the time to understand it then they're never going to be able to develop a successful esport anything.

The obvious solution has already been suggested elsewhere -- rebalance pyro to be an actual offensive class and then limit offensive classes to 2 and defensive and support classes to 1. Simple. But you can bet that valve's not going to do that because Eric's a pyro main who probably thinks that airblasting players off cliffs is the epitome of skill.

not support jerks who do stuff like this and think they can get away with it.

if you think it's only 'idiots breaking the rules' who've been banned from the site you're sorely mistaken, people have been banned for doing things like taking a slot in a lobby that masternoob wanted and not giving it to him when he demanded it etc

i invited my entire friends list to the group so you might get like 2 more people (:

hm what ok :o

only if the spy has the ambassador equipped...? still leaves the weapon too good imo

I've been told that vana went from div 6 straight to prem because he apparently somehow found himself in a high level pug and consistently won duels with prem scouts there so got picked up. His only prior fps experience was playing a random fps whose name I can't remember against bots a few years earlier.

shout out to micolash

Not saying you did, but it goes to show how much consensus there is on this issue, even if we're nitpicking about individual weapons.

Well I agree that the razorback is overpowered because it's a weapon that screws with the class counter system. Spy is meant to counter snipers focusing on faraway targets and always did until the razorback came along. Now a spy can only counter snipers if they are

a) running an unlock and
b) are close range enough to hit the follow up bodyshot even with the forced inaccuracy after firing

and that's not even taking into account the difficulty of hitting a headshot on people with competent movement in a game like this with fucked up hitboxes.

It doesn't matter for 6s because when was the last time one team had a spy while the other had a sniper? It's incredibly rare so the fight never happens. But that doesn't mean it's not broken.

Basically any balance issue that's ever existed has in my mind come from either weapons with blatantly overpowered stats, à la the reserve shooter, critacola, lnl etc or valve somehow managing to fuck up the class counter system:

Short circuit -- why the hell is engineer countering projectile classes?
gru - heavy is meant to be slow
bonk - sentries and spam are meant to deny room for scouts
whip - classes run at the speeds they do for a reason
rescue ranger - having to be close to your buildings to keep them up was always one of the downsides to being able to place a tanky aimbot

etc

This list looks pretty close to the universal blacklist for some reason...

Some of the weapons on it aren't overpowered, though, they're just dumb concepts. Things like the sandman and natascha, and you're arguing for the homewrecker & stock sniper rifle to be in that category as well. There's a very large distinction between 'things that are so imbalanced they break the game' and 'things that shouldn't be in the game because they are based on a dumb mechanic' and conflating the two is not great.

ubersaw is anything but overpowered lmao please don't spread more misinformation than is already out there

windows 10? turn off xbox dvr app thingy

yes it totally is a different situation, because valve are too fucking lazy to create artworks to highlight the biggest plays ever made in tf2. I'll agree with you on that.

http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/6cpmmSJzzJwv7kueeXbEoF-650-80.jpg
http://www.gosugamers.net/files/images/news/2015/may/olofmeister%20guardian%20angel1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O07cual.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DTXCVET.jpg

etc

consistent rules, clearly

so exactly how many ugly hats and cosmetics are currently in the game that valve is perfectly willing to pay creators for but as soon as it's something competitive related it's not happening? what a joke. fuck valve seriously :/ they've been screwing competitive over for 9 years and counting this week