All true, you got me to realise the similarity with standin. I'm liking the consensus of bringing stopwatch to 6s but I don't think we'd want to see it on every map- would get stale quickly. I still feel a new gametype needs to be developed, however.

What does Overwatch have? Can we steal their ideas?

Just to check everyone realises this isn't a/d right? lolol

Thanks a lot for the suggestion, I'll take it there too. As for gpit that sounded so great I'm unsure why it's not played now (I'm in high now and I still wasn't around when it was played)... ironman holds involved tactical genius (I think that's what holding A/B was called?) and I wanted a gametype which had that constant rotation combined with dm action gpit probably didn't offer.

I don't think so as the way I imagine it would work is to win you would be forced to hold 2 points simultaneously for as long as possible, and if the other team pushes your point with uber ad you can rotate to their point and cap that to maintain the 2-cap in order to gain more points than your opponent. i.e. you can't really sit back as someone is constantly challenging one of your points while another tries to cap it off...

fuck, you might be right though we really need to playtest this to work it out... my brain simply can't hold all the possible ways it could work in one go... i guess it might end up being a shit ton of backcapping... I hope instead it would involve constant rotation and tactical play lol

So, as we know, there are some concerns over significant flaws within competitive TF2’s main gametype. Control point maps can lead to slow, highly stalemated games especially in the upper eschelons of the scene. I’m not here to debate whether this is true- if a significant number of people think this isn’t true in the replies then I’ll drop the idea, but for now I think this game desperately needs to be made more interesting. Sideshow realises the idea clearly (if longwindedly) here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDM5ThcDRiQ

tl;dr: It’s boring for spectators. I’d add it’s boring for players too.

I just don’t think we should be so stumped over the question of what to do here- in fact, there’s not need to reinvent the wheel when other games can give us easy clues as to what the solutions (gametypes) could be.

My initial inspiration came thinking about domination, a gametype from Call of Duty (I know, I know, but hear me out). For those who haven’t ventured into this wilderness before, domination is a gametype with 3 flags (control points, if you will). These begin neutral until capped, generally there is a stasis period at the start of the game where one waits for A and C to be capped before contesting B (midfights, still keeping classic TF2 in there). Teams will gain a point for every flag they own every 5 seconds (not exact but you get the point). The game has a 10 minute timer and a mercy limit of 200 points. This has been modified in more recent editions to include a half time but, again, the essential objectives are outlined there.

Just to make sure no one skipped the explanation: this is NOT cp_standin or cp_gravelpit. Fuck those maps. If you skipped the above and thought it was, read it again. It’s more like koth with 3 points, but still nowhere near to that.

I don’t initially see a reason why this couldn’t be used and can see quite a few positives- the main one being free-flowing, non-stalematey TF2.

It would definitely be an intense gametype, and the closer the flags are together the more dm-intense it would be, and the further away from each other the more tactically based the game would be. I haven’t really thought how this would relate to the spawns- would it be too complex to have the spawn move in relation to which flags you hold?

The gametype essentially forces you to always push for a 2-flag hold at least, with oppurtunities for crazy comebacks or complete dominations with 3-flag holds. It has potential for introduction of snipers depending on map design. Engineer might have to be banned or limited for this to stay interesting, the whole point of this suggestion is to keep it flowing- I mean who gives a shit? I’ve never personally understood this concept of keeping the competitive game close to pubs, when classes like engie are inherantly anti-skill.

Anyway, lemme know what you think, this is all very alpha-stage speculation on my part, hopefully I can inspire some people to think about this topic with me. If any of you think this could really take off and know a map maker- get talking to them or have them add me and I’ll explain myself in mumble or sthn.

jack shit

apparently not http://logs.tf/1278688?highlight=76561198079489917

Love how I get -18 frags then Hildreth comes through and agrees and gets normal frags. Anyway, mid way through granary and DD+5F are in position for 5 points off infs. Feeling vindicated unless DD+5F really throw the rest of this granary game at 1-0.

4 of those 6 maps were vs Full Tilt and Reason, they took one map from p. express, I think there will be good results in the future. I hope this crossed your mind before you posted that image

no

thalash's autism has him in a corner with his hands over his ears cos brits are getting salty loool

he was, however, too concerned with grooming mid players for his own means

Surprised that many commentators count dd+5 out all the time considering they seem to be playing well in scrims with reasonable results vs publiclir and good games vs plexpress from the logs I've seen. Hope this works out, always rated qnx highly

If anyone with any care for logic could just read this and count the assumptions (which I would like to indicate are all false) they would realise how stupid the post is, yawn try harder next time

Clearly you are less intelligent than both Timon or myself, Shoosh. It is clearly a joke- I haven't actually bashed Timon in the post, simply laughed about a time he got roasted on a rec post. Also there was nothing wrong with our side of the beef we had with Timon- even Timon himself said to me he knew he was being provocative on purpose. In some cases this can be amusing but stretched out over time it was annoying a significant proportion of the community and they disliked him for it. Why would I suddenly "like" Timon when he was so beta he would kick me from mumble when YOU invited me yet was perfectly civil with me in Steam chat. If you remember I indicated this to you and asked if you were mad that you had invited someone to mumble and he had kicked me you were so far up his arse you just said "idk, nothing i could do".

As for whether Timon is smarter than me in game, neither you or I play a class that has any connection to the role he undertook, which is to say micromanaging and maincalling other players, so what's your point? It's also a ridiculously redundant point when you take into account any "grudge" we had was about his attitude outside of game and not to do with his elevated opinion of his own skill level. To add to this his mechanical ability on demo was pretty lacking, he overextended and died a lot and we definitely had a far better record against your team, thanks (I believe) in part to our superior maincaller.

I say that from a nice place, played with him for ages... I think a german must hold that throne by now

Explain please, Thalash? That might be true on some matters but whenever I've played with him his mechanical skills are great. In fact I stated that I couldn't comment on what I'm clueless about. I'm interested to hear if you're just flaming without actually engaging your brain long enough to understand my comment.

Are you kidding? Honey might be TF2's most toxic player but he's one of the keenest players in TF2 and he's done so much with it. I can't comment on his calling at a prem level, but his mechanical ability on medic is one of the best in EU in all areas. If you'd played with him when he's not mad you can trust him not to fuck up anything on that count. Med machine

Haven't seen drama this good since roasting Timon on someone's rec post back in S20

Srs though can the toxic brit meme end now? hue