Sorry guys, I've had a really busy few days that I wasn't planning on. I'll be trying to work on the map as much as I can over the weekend, but I can't make any promises as to a release (sorryyy).

People in the other thread seemed to like the idea of a spire, and it's my favorite part of the map as of now. I'm pretty sure it will play in a very fun way. Putting the point on the roof adds OP sightlines, pretty much only one route to push (even if I were to remove the giant wall, and creates a very, very cramped space to hold in any environment other than 6s.

I want to keep the shape of the original badwater. Otherwise, making a Co_badwater is kind of silly IMO.

Oh gosh, I just accidentally deleted a super comment, and now I'm sad. This one will not go into as much detail as I'd like, because I've already been typing for ~20 minutes, and I really want to go work on the map a bit.

I understand all of your concerns. However, I'm going to try to make a case for the style of spire that I chose. Take a quick look at pl_badwater:

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/9/9d/Badwater_Basin_overview.png?t=20111120115435

You'll see how BLU has to essentially push the bomb through their "base" to RED team's "base". Notice BLU's building style is very concrete and generally well put together, while RED's is much more hastily made, wooden structures. This comes with the goofy backstory that the TF2 world is based around, two companies that fight each other with paid mercs. There's obviously a bunch of back-plot, but there's no need to get too far into that. BLU team (Builder's League United) builds things well. RED team (Reliable Excavation Demolition) doesn't. Because BLU needs to capture points in their own base, it's pretty safe to assume that at some point in time, RED took over BLU's base and built up rickety, make-shift control points (as RED does).
I didn't just throw in the gpit spire all yolo-tastically. There was thought behind it. All this said, if enough people dislike the final product, I will gladly change it.

I'm being called to ring, I'll be back in a bit to post the rest.

Just added a custom spire as well as fixing some of the clipping issues. I should have a3 out sometime late on Friday.

http://i.imgur.com/j7mpnqA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n68LCOj.jpg

I got some of the spire visuals from gpit C. I need to fix the very bottom of it, but I think it will work out well. Any opinions on this? I thought it would be important to be able get more of your team up to cap.

Also, the cap time on B will be the longest, I think. Generally, BLU will only be able to cap A when RED is essentially wiped. It was way too easy to get B in our playtest last night.

If you and your team want to help playtest the latest version's pre-release, please contact me through this thread or via steam. I'm still looking for good highlander and 6s playtests to get everything right. After all that works out, we're going to test it on pubs. Thanks for the help everyone!

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My physician said to stop eating/drinking soda, caffeine (energy drinks/coffee), and chocolate (and alcohol if you do that). That helped a bit, but I still had some problems and ended up needing surgery after a couple months of persistent pain. I'd say go to a doctor soon. Stomach pains that last over a few days are a sign that something could be seriously wrong.

Best of luck, man.

http://i.imgur.com/GcyfpRY.jpg

a5 is out!

https://mega.co.nz/#!18FjhQga!TJ8gFzrD7ba649btSvea56JBJseoaw58c276BD7oOqM

I essentially scrapped a4 and started fresh with this. This fixed a lot of broken things, and made the map much more similar to pl_badwater. I'll make changes as needed, but the goal is to keep the maps as similar as possible.

For those who don't know, Hooky decided against working on cp_badwater, so I went ahead and picked it up. Shoutout to Mangachu, Jenny, and Otterfiend for helping me with ideas. Also thanks to you guys on the forums pointing out when I'm an idiot, which is pretty often.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/iMiof

If you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. I'll be playtesting this with friends this next weekend probably (with a slightly modified map). If you want to playtest it yourself, please stream it/ record demos and stvs. I'm looking to see how it plays in 6s, HL, and pubs. I hope you enjoy the map!

old thread

I'll do that after this playtest I'm in.

cp_badwater_a2_final release

It's a1_final, not _final. it's named that because of the way I have my backups labeled, sorry for confusion.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pfds4ovbe8irtqw/cp_badwater_a2_final.bsp

What's new from a1:

* Moved A closer to spawn
* Closed off the main route from A to B
* Opened up the gate by A to allow for multiple paths for B
* Kept gates between A and B open even if A is uncapped
* Moved B to yard on spire
* Moved C to balcony
* Added another flank to D by making balcony accessible to all classes
* Made a new path to balcony
* Added barrels to make it a bit easier to climb spire
* Temporarily fixed skybox, needs refinement

Screenshots:

http://i.imgur.com/byQWZLo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wJg9QL4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EKRSkN4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wh74smX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hyWWifs.jpg

Known bugs:

* Skybox broken
* Last may be too large cap-area
* There's a random light on last
* Shadows under rail props
* Confusing arrows, will be more detailed eventually
* Sightlines on last may still be a bit much for defense, we'll get playtest info soon.
* The planks up to C are upside down. Shut up, I'm dumb.

Shoutout to Mangachu, Jenny, and Otterfiend for helping me with ideas. Also thanks to you guys on the forums pointing out when I'm an idiot.

If you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them.

I will in a bit. I don't want to release till I have a2 finished. Basically, I just need to do the skybox, which I can hopefully fix tonight.

http://i.imgur.com/fW7DwsX.jpg

tada

Working to finish a2_final soon.

Very good idea with the plank. More classes do need the ability to climb to point quickly. I'll mess around with stuff when I'm home.

I took some of the suggestions and problems you guys pointed out and made some updates. The map is pretty much finished, minus the graphical polishing of everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0G4S43_GS8

edit: forgot to mention, thanks to mangachu, otterfiend, and jenny*snowflake for the help, along with all of you guys on the forums.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm going to mess around with it up high to try and get it to work. If it doesn't, oh well. I'll just move it back to the bottom.

Very good points about everything. I have plans to nerf the sightlines at A, that's my biggest concern of the map as of now.

I'm thinking about what to do with last, you brought up a good point. I think it might be wise to simply remove that exit of spawn, or remove top spawn entirely. I really like the point off in the corner like that, though. It seems like it would be much harder to cap. That said, I don't want it to be impossible. I'll think about the sightline in that final picture, as well as the other problems with the map.

Thanks for the feedback.

Spire is always the answer. Always.

Proper URL. Not that it matters. What is the purpose of this thread?

edit: he fixed his post

I've picked up the project. Here's a quick presentation I made of what I'm doing with the map. Don't expect much, but I think this will work a lot better than a1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsa73gxdpgg

Thanks to Hooky for starting me out.