i was just thinking about all the abuse TurboTabs and Getawhale received whilst casting but they would be god-tier casters in today's world and its messed up how much they got made fun of. esp Getawhale who had actual talent and was a highlight for that LAN he was doing with War. that was actually funny

id watch a TurboTabs casted game regardless of wat was on the screen at this rate

but yeah regardless its stupid to just pin the blame on valve and act like we couldn't do anything/can't do anything now obviously but if most people think its just valve then idk banny should just go back to school then. the whole banny situation is an absolute mystery to me, which again yeah, is none of my concern, but its interesting to me

i think there should always be scouts in your own reigon that are better picks than having 100 ping ones. not saying those 2 are bad. also defeats the whole EU vs NA thing.

toemas was gonna join froyo?

i mean i explained why i didnt watch the main casted prem games anymore and tried to think of a reason as to why others don't as well when i was saying that most people nowadays would rather watch the actual player streaming their match rather than the official stream, making it kinda useless.

if the viewers rose rather than declined, which it had a considerable potential to do given how popular tf2 gamers gained clout over the past coming years, as in you're no longer mocked for being a top tf2 player like u were before cause of OW and all the other games that tf2 players are now involved in, then i think there would've been some support or at the very least they wouldnt have a reason not to like they do now

nd btw i think that potential still exists. someone linked me that there was this fortnite player trying to get good at fortnite by playing tf2 mge as a kind of kovaaks.

a lot of us tf2 players went to QL for a similar reason but only as a mini practice game - a good proportion of people in that 125fps cup twitch chat were in fact tf2 players and from playing quake today the decent players ive played against were tf2 players like Snapaction. this could and should be replicated on a bigger scale

i think its the other way around tho like i don't think fortnite would have the competitive and financial system it has now if it wasn't for that viewcount/impact where u see real life people on the street wearing it.

our twitch numbers and percieved interest/hype is the only way to justify them spending time on developing it further

i was saying it was embarrassing for the best team to have 2 americans on the main roster

im saying idk who it is other than dumtum i said i dont even know if beater does it anymore. iv ony seen this guy cast by himself or some anonymous british voice that doesnt know what theyre talking about

it never had 100 viewers low level viewers thats at least like a 10x drop from when i was watching. u want to see it go up, not drastically down. no reason to spend time developing a game that is dying and not improving

but its whatever this tangent is useless

the main point is, are u content with how things are going right now or do u wanna continue whati s already happening, which im always gonna be of the opinion that its shit and nothing compared to what it used to be and ur gonna think its the same thing

is it ever gonna get better is the main question? well i guess what i think your response to that is gonna be is 'noo we didnt get valve support T_T we cannot do anything without them' so theres no real use in me even asking that

alright well theres the caster thing that i just mentioned. just anyone couldve casted once those 2 left it seems

according to the people i just asked, the very top EU team consists of an all american scout combo. i think iv asked a fair amount of ppl and lots just dont know. i dont think you should have to research who this is u should really just know it. never had to figure it out before. not only is that fucking embarrassing but also demonstrates how no one cares

i dont think it was even possible back then to not know who the top players were and actively play at the same time.

Why the fuck do i know the top NA teams but not the top EU teams

i was actually watching the games post i58. i watched all the iseries including i63 which was the first time i got bored watching tf2 which was an 80% talkament followed by average games where the whole bracket consisted of mix teams that never had a shot and then 2 other teams (froyo and seven) as opposed to i58 where multiple teams could've taken it

there were genuine rivarlies and a leadup to the lan which made the matches interesting as in a reason a team would wanna win whereas now its just who cares

the players playing in i58 had individual playstyles that were more fun to watch

ur acting like that number just went down for no reason lol there are lots of reasons

but i mean ok if everyones happy with 100 viewers no valve support nd top eu scout combo is american scouts that arent even the best american scouts then its ok i guess i was just curious as to wat was goin on thats whyi made the thread

my opinions dont even matter the whole idea of this was to hopefully have one of the top players who i didnt kno who they are say some shit like 'yeah man we are actually trying hard' or 'nah we dont care just want to play the game' just wanted to kno how it was going.

the shit i was describing was just how i saw it and see it today dats it im well aware my opinion on that is in the minority as far as the forums go.

actually wat would be more interesting than me saying this shit is ur reasoning for why the numbers went down

my motiviation on making it was thinkign about bannys position as in hes someone whos actively gotta be thinking about the game's progression because thats his literal job but i don't think ive heard anything from this guy in like a year. he just seems content with pub + official every night and there doesnt seem to be much else going on.

u dont really get to see the behind the scenes planning for big events from other places than there so i made the thread cause i was curious am i just gonna watch banny pub now for years to come? is that it? no more LAN or desire to do anything else?

its not even 100% the game's fault. i think the transisiton from gecks and sideshow and whoever leaving left a toll on watching the official game vs just watching the player stream the official in the first place. no one wanted to hear some braindead middie brit with a shit accent talk over the game when u can just watch the player pov and actually learn something at the same time

now to my understanding its dumtumtm who is somewhat good at what he does, seems to solo practice by himself every chance he gets which is cool, but like thats i.t i have no idea who else is even casting right now other than beater???? no clue at all but i think it killed watching the official stream. i think the actual players get even more views sometimes because of this

i think TF2 can still be an ‘eSport’ with less/same viewers a ‘dead’ Quake Live was getting ^_^

and its not the same at all. watching current tf2 is never gonna be like watching i58 at this rate is what im saying. the game is fun to play only but not to watch theres big differences stfu if you can’t see it and you think its rhe exact same as back then idk what to tell u ur just lost lol

theres no reason for valve to give any more support than what they are doing now to a 100 viewer game

so then what the fuck does Baniel want? hows the game gonna progress

it was during the time banny was getting 500 viewers every night that the ESEA games had that much. the playoff ones are the only ones that hit 2k not LAN, but i do remember frequently seeing 1.5k, before essentials tf and alla that so idk if Wiethoof has the exact concrete stats but that would be interesting if i was remembering dat wrong

well i think its best to have an on going official venue. all the other times it hasn't been insomnia its been some sort of cringe rushed teams and there's not really any build up/hype about it, but i think banny is justified in not wanting to go there again its just there's kinda no alternative to it

the next ones gotta be planned in advance cause there needs to be enough time for the teams to start try harding and the events to be organised as in the people we choose to produce it to ensure we dont have any dashner issues or issues dat tagg had ever again and these ppl need to be also safeguarded financially and alla that

there should be some sorta fully charged about this talking with banny and whoever is the best europe team i dont even kno who that is whilst we have corona going on i think its an important topic

edit: the aim of this btw should be in order to rekindle what was fun about watching TF2. the viewer count fell rapidly from 1.5k-2k viewers per normal season prem game to like 100 and the fact that i have no idea who is the top euro team is a testament to that. the production and hype has fallen tremendously within the past 3-4 years and there's no way we can convince ourselves as a game its worth shit at this rate. the very upmost important concern of our game will have to be This Lan.

Have we reached a point in the game where the #1 NA and #1 EU team just does not care as to who is better? Do you think we will ever see a serious LAN where teams prepare hardcore for the big summer showdown that will rock your socks off?

its still there

im pretty sure ur crowning achievement 89zombies is being mod in Mangachu's twitch stream. Mustard is a national American treasure and he didnt even shit talk the top invite players he just said they have acne which is for sure one of the lesser offensive things someone has said about American Invite Players

Enough of dat shit talk tho just sit back nd enjoy da thread man.

this maybe the most entertaining thread in past 4-5 years

and how comes every top american invite player gets cucked?

wow he just cucked alfa in the rgl ban thread