Thats the point, are you guys trolling?

Scouts are going to be rewarded more heavily for catching demos with their pants down, AS IT SHOULD BE, and demos are going to have to mentally play more defensive with pre-set sticky traps and be more conservative overall with their ammo and cautious with their dets.

Old case: Scout facerushes you, you throw two stickies on the ground, if the scout semi-dodges he probably still dies from 60-70 splash damage

New case: Scout facerushes you, you throw a sticky on the ground, det, and switch to pipes.

Advanced new case: Demomans not retarded, has 2 stickies on a corner near himself, dets the scout who flanked him, rewarding him for playing on the scouts aggression.

You people need to adjust. The problem was that a demo spamming 8 stickies into a crowd during a mid fight did splash damage to 2-3 people at a time with easier execution than a rocket.

Anyone saying 'up the class limit' clearly hasnt thought about that at all... try pushing and last point without having to pop uber immediately through every chokepoint due to there being multiple traps set up, or going to mid with 1 demo spamming your doorway with another spamming your low ground on badlands mid.

Also, who are you guys to say Valve abandoned us for 7 years?

This game has come a long way since 2007, if there was ever a problem for an invite player or competitive TF2 in general, Robin always helped us. To say Valve forgot about competitive TF2 or ignored it is a lie.

This one patch just changed the game significantly, and if you ask me, this game needed to be changed significantly.

This shit opens up the door for a lot of teams to catch up to the invite mentality and figure out the balance mechanics and what strats may and may not be viable.

It's a shame carnage quit though, this patch is going to be the patch for scouts. 8)

Are you people new?

Platinum is right, ikpure is right, marmaduke is right.

The update to demoman shifted the meta in one foul swoop to go from whose demo can get off their 1k damage on mid, to whose team can put out the most damage in a mid fight that has less dps overall.

A lot of maps just became a lot more playable for scout, and I think medics will feel the difference immediately when mid fights last a good amount longer. I know the stats for mid fight avg length might not be in place but I can guarantee this patch makes pushing chokes on a lot of maps less uber reliant and more skill reliant.

I honestly don't see why youre asking for revert patches. This patch is about as competitive as youre ever going to see. It shifted the focus from spam to aim.

The parachutes are gimmicky and if anyone wants to pubstomp this week just go direct hit soldier and shit on the people floating in mid air.

You guys wonder why this game never gets popular... and then you guys cry about probably one of the most game changing, game reviving patches that this game has ever seen.

Play it out, adjust, and move on. Dota, LoL, SC2, CS, all have balance patches regularly, and the pro players adjust and respect the company's decision. Here a bunch of you just cry like they deleted demo from the game.

holy christ like 10 people replied the same thing.

ok im wrong about the rollouts, but either way it changes the pressure of midfights on every map since you no longer have to be so scared of demos lobbing stickies on you

scouts can take 4 stickies if they arent primed.

WHOOPS

also do you read the patch notes? they just nerfed sentry gun long range damage. It'll now tickle a soldier or demo from range with a medic on them. IF anything engineer just got nerfed bigtime

wow its like you guys have never been through a game with a balance change before.

Its not making demoman underpowered, its just nerfing it in close quarters, while also buffing other classes indirectly.

Sticky spam in midfights will be less effective, and 2 sticking a scout in house or through a choke is not doable anymore. It buffs scouts through choke points and nerfs demomen with cocky positioning. If you can hit pipes and adjust yourself youll be fine.

This isn't the end of the world. It'll allow demomen to get to mid a little faster, while lowering their mid fight and choke damage output, meaning longer fights essentially with more pressure on the medic who now is taking less spam damage.

It changes the game in a ridiculously huge amount of ways, but pretty sure both teams still have a demoman. Adjust, or go back to crying on forums asking for convars to change it back and blaming it for your poor dm.

TLDR: the entire meta of midfights and rollouts is changed by something so miniscule, adjust.

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ill med or scout actually if its just for the tournament

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i dont get it. we called vhalin straight up fat for years.

robust is a compliment.

ill support you sven. fuck the haters.

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