mustardoverlordI knew I would get a response like this, but it makes no sense. I offclass because it's fun for me, I enjoy playing pyro/sniper/spy, and I imagine others feel the same way. I also enjoy winning. Should I ask the other team to let me win so I can have as much fun as possible? Of course not, it's not their responsibility to make sure I have an enjoyable pug experience, that's on me. In the same vein, it's their responsibility to find a way to have fun in a pug regardless of what me or anyone else on my team is doing. If they can't, that's their problem.
The corollary to all this is what indecency said- if guys on your own team want the pug to end and get out of there and you're artificially delaying it by fucking around, there's not much you can really do about it without talking to an admin. That's why I have no problem enforcing rules, not just against offclassing, but against people fucking around in general, if enough people on their own team have a problem with it. I just don't get why fucking around on pyro is so much worse than fucking around on soldier. We both know, for instance, that I am doing a lot more to help my team on pyro than you are when you're trying to see if you can get reverse 6-dommed or break the deaths record or whatever. Why is it so much worse?
The point you're missing is that the community came to an agreement when they decided to make pug systems that if someone offclasses for a significant portion of a pug it's simply not fun for anyone other than the person doing it. Yeah you can be trying hard and doing well playing sniper the whole game but does anyone want to add to a pug environment where that shit is allowed? That's just not something people want to deal with. Maybe if there was money on the line or literally anything other than playing pugs strictly for the sake of enjoying yourself playing some tf2, then I can see allowing whatever alternative offclassing meta shit because you are trying your very hardest to win. But given that there's nothing like that I see no reason to forego the majority's enjoyment of playing video games for some dipshit to have a blast playing an offclass for the whole game lol.
I do agree with you on the point about having a strict number for how long is permissable or not being a bit silly, because if for example the game is a super big stalemate and you end up holding your own last a lot and go engineer, or you play sniper to break the stalemate, you can probably get over 7.5 mins (1/4 of the 30 min pug) offclassing even if it's completely fair play. Doing it to mid or pushing out from one last to another though is where I think it's reasonable to draw the line.
Also the deaths record thing was literally in a pugscrim 2 years ago, and im pretty sure ive only ever done that sorta reverse 6 dom shit in inhouse pugs around that long ago as well.