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#66 What is the hardest e-sport in Off Topic
aierathat APM is heavily cherrypicked and isn't fair to compare to starcraft whatsoever, melee's average APM is definitely way lower, and even average fox APM in general.

I'm not arguing that average APM is higher than SC:BW, I'm arguing that at the top level, technical skill is comparable to SC:BW. To quote Prog "most people figured out we put about six or seven inputs per second, which is roughly about the same as professional starcraft."

aieraif you are gonna use this argument also consider that they don't consider mousestrokes as APM but the do consider analog stick movement as APm

I'm not incredibly familiar with Starcraft, but selecting a group of units isn't as precise as shield dropping.

aierawhich is kinda a joke as I could argue I have off the chart APM when trying to get out of a wobble.

That would be kinda a joke if they counted grab mashing as inputs, but since it's impossible to tell how well they're mashing without seeing their controllers, inputs like that aren't counted in these APM totals.

aierashield dropping is way easier than you are making it sound, it isn't precise at all.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/d/dc/Control_stick_angle_overview_%28shield%29.png

aieragood joke, you are doing while literally sitting in shield, at the most maybe dashing or charging a b special not at 200 APM

I'm not talking about shield dropping, I'm talking about melee's tech in general. Every movement and action in Melee is important and done for a purpose at the highest level, and if you do it wrong, you lose a stock. Also, I'm not only talking about technical skill, my point is Melee combines technical requirements with fast paced decision making against one person.

mustardoverlordwhile it might be hard to compare between genres, it's not that difficult to compare within a genre imo
posted about 8 years ago
#62 What is the hardest e-sport in Off Topic
aieraIn any case melee is not a hard game at its core, and even at top level it isn't even close to as hard as how grueling actual top difficulty esports. In terms of what you are actually arguing, several games require more APM, several games require more 1 frame tech, many games are much faster, and many games are much longer and require you to be thinking constantly for more than 30 minutes

I don't think you can objectively say one game is harder than another, but the reason I think melee is up there with those other games is that it combines all of those elements at the top level. According to this and this, Fox APM at the top level is anywhere from 250-300 APM. According to This, SC:BW APM is generally over 200 at top level, so it would seem that both games are tied in this regard, except for the fact that Melee uses analog input. Take for example shield dropping. Since you say you've been playing Melee for four years, I'd assume that you know what it is and that it is absolutely necessary for some characters' out of shield game. The picture below shows just how precise this input is, and many extremely important options rely on incredibly precice control and movement like this. And you have to do it at 200 APM.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/d/dc/Control_stick_angle_overview_%28shield%29.png

aieraseveral games require more 1 frame tech

This is true, but the difference is where the 1 frame tech is used. For example in Street Fighter, many characters have bread and butter combos that rely on 1 frame links. This sounds insane, until you realise that 1 frame is always the same. There is no situation that a 1 frame link is any harder, or requires faster reaction time. In Melee, however, powershielding is always a reaction to your opponents action. If my opponent shoots his laser slightly later, or slightly closer, or slightly farther away, I have to change my shield timing to reflect that. This is why no top player can powershield 100% of the time.

aieramany games are much faster

This may be true, but there is no other game that combines speed on the level of Melee with the incredible decision making trees. Take DI for example. If I'm getting hit, I have a split second to make a decision. If I use combo DI on a kill move, I die. If I use survival DI on a combo tool, my opponent gets another, easier opportunity to hit me again, which can often lead to death.

aieramany games are much longer and require you to be thinking constantly for more than 30 minutes

I'll concede this point to you, although this isn't necessarily a good thing. Giving a player more time to make decisions lowers the skill ceiling. In one match of Melee, you have hundreds of decisions to make, all of which could lead to a death for either party as long as they aren't playing floaties. Melee gives enough decisions to allow the better players to get the upper hand consistently, and delivers them quick enough to ensure that it's impossible to play perfectly.

So that's why I think Melee is one of the hardest esports. Please comment why you disagree with my points instead of -fragging me this time.

posted about 8 years ago
#1335 Do you like the song above? in Music, Movies, TV

pretty ok. could use lyrics.
https://open.spotify.com/track/7MeUFHaHTgcLqz56vSyvIh

posted about 8 years ago
#54 What is the hardest e-sport in Off Topic
ErenJaymanngoosu! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv85DGQ_IdAOsu has zero strategy, it's basically just mechanical skill and practice, but because of the combo mechanic it's super intense in comp because if you make one mistake you will probably lose

osu is literally a single player game. I really like osu but it's not a multiplayer game even though you have the option.

posted about 8 years ago
#53 What is the hardest e-sport in Off Topic
hoolii got copies of nidhogg if anyone wants

i'll take one

Hardest game is Melee, although SC:BW is probably up there and Quake is incredibly hard too.

posted about 8 years ago
#74 Newbie Mix Coaches in TF2 General Discussion

Hey, I'm in open currently, is it ok if I play newbie mixes on an offclass so I can get a feel for how the class works?

posted about 8 years ago
#97 Genesis 3 in Other Games

The Kid gave us a show. GG everybody

posted about 8 years ago
#86 Genesis 3 in Other Games

BRACKET RESET
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
IT'S TIME
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
MANGO VS ARMADA III
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
WILL THE KID STRIKE BACK?
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
OR WILL ARMADA SEAL THE DEAL

posted about 8 years ago
#78 Genesis 3 in Other Games

MANGO UP 1-0
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
NEEDS TO FINISH THE SET AND WIN ANOTHER

posted about 8 years ago
#75 Genesis 3 in Other Games

GET YOUR FRIENDS
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
GET YOUR ENEMIES
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
GET YOUR POPCORN
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
THE SET IS TIED 1-1; MANGO VS ARMADA
http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
IT'S TIME.

posted about 8 years ago
#64 Genesis 3 in Other Games

plz kill hbox mango

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posted about 8 years ago
#2 minu lft open scout/pocket in Recruitment (looking for team)

good scout
good personality
good music
pick him up

posted about 8 years ago
#33 guy doing bong rips for followers in Off Topic

I wanna follow but I feel like we're slowly killing this man.

posted about 8 years ago
#3 Aero Extension in Q/A Help

make sure it's set to fullscreen instead of windowed fullscreen or something. idk for sure what your problem is you need to be more specific.

posted about 8 years ago
#453 what's yo inches/360 in Off Topic

23.4 scout. Was somewhere between 30-40 but I changed it because rocket jumping. actually worked totally fine for me on scout.

posted about 8 years ago
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