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MR_SLINESEA:
- They have prize pools
That only sandbaggers and B4nny ever see
[*] They have admins on duty and respond to support tickets within a timely manner
worse than ETF2L
[*] They have a structure and an anti-cheat system in place
LOL NO
[*] It costs money to play
To much money for what we get.
[*] They don't care about growing the TF2 league or marketing it.
You are completely correct on this one.
This new F2P league:
Doesn't necessarily need to be F2P. Just not be so expensive to play as to encourage rampant sandbagging.
[*] They have no prize pools
Not necessarily.
[*] They have admins on duty and respond to support tickets within a timely manner... maybe
So no worse than what we currently have?
[*] They have a structure and an anti-cheat system in place... hopefully
cant be worse than ESEA's anticheat
[*] It costs no money to play
Not necessarily but definitely less.
[*] They care about growing the TF2 league and marketing it.
yes
If the only difference between these two leagues is paying or not paying, playing for money or not playing for money, then just play UGC. Is marketing helpful? Sure but who is going to do it?.
We already have 2 leagues that are more than willing to take the reigns (TFCL/ETF2L). UGC has it's own list of issues that i am certain have been mentioned a thousand times before. I wouldnt trust UGC with a ultiduo cup.
randoI'm not going to read this thread but this game is pretty much dead, moving somewhere else isn't going to change that.
I don't expect it to revive the game. That isn't going to happen. What i want is to stem the bleeding by making the transition from low level to high level easier and splitting the league into actual divisions again instead of one massive shitshow.
Jarrett000Didn't we already lose a division and try to ditch esea by switching to another league in season 15? That scenario even had a scandal as the cherry on top and didn't work out in the communities favor.
Loosing Main does not = loosing IM
We should have never hopped on CEVO in the first place. The league was ran terribly and every match we played 1/2 of both teams had over 100 ping. We should have taken ETF2L's offer. The solution isn't hopping from one pay league that doesn't care about us to another pay league that doesn't care. The solution is a league by TF2 players for TF2 players.
Lightbringerhttp://www.teamfortress.tv/41665/what-is-the-possible-future-for-high-level-tf2/?page=4#113
Moist_PenguinExpanding into NA is an option but not one we have or plan to seriously consider until ESEA is dead. So we might start considering it soon if these predictions about ESEA turn out to be true. The question is what would an NA league of ETF2L offer over a TFCL or UGC.
TFCL does not have the name to attract players. More than 1/2 the community doesn't even know TFCL exist.
UGC is just a huge shitshow. I wouldnt trust them with a ultiduo cup let alone the future of this game.
What ETF2L offers is a established league and a relatively painless transition.
pyxelizei don't think losing the top 2 teams will help tf2
If they are playing for the money they will leave eventually anyways. If they are hear for the love of the game like the other 99.9999% of the comunity that will never see prize money in TF2 then they are welcome to stay. Old players leave. New ones take their place.
This would not be the first time the top of invite left and it won't be the last.
pyxelizerealistically would top invite teams even switch to another league without a prizepool?
i mean i understand esea sucks and all but froyotech and evl have a shot at $5600 every season as opposed to no prizepool at all
Fuck em. This needs done to the sake of TF2 as a whole. The current state of affairs is NOT sustainable.
vipertrust me, i'm for natf2l completely, but why burn our bridge with esea before etf2l even extends an olive branch officially?
The bridge is not up to OSHA standards
serious talks of natf2l with etf2l admins must be done before we can all condone this action
Then lets get it done. I just added the ETF2L head admins. Hopefully we can get the ball rolling. I would appreciate if some better known high level players would join me in this endeavor.
EasyELets uh jump ship from ESEA if/when we get a better more sustainable league
We should just piggyback on ETF2L and call it a day.
We cant even get ESEA to let us keep IM. What makes you people think we are going to get our lan back? How delusional do you have to be?
bleghfarecfree leagues do not work because there is nothing at the top to work towards
This is already the case with ESEA.
ugc had this problem with highlander
Highlander is the problem with highlander
platinum highlander players just simply quit after a season or two. there was no incentive to continue playing as they were already in the highest division, couldn't beat dk (who were/are undefeated), and there is no money to play for. eventually, platinum hl just began hemmoraging players because people at the top just kept quitting
Nobody continues playing HL because the top level of play in HL is Open level. If you want to advance you play 6s.
paid leagues work because prize pools at the top are a huge incentive for players at the top to continue playing. however, invite has had the problem of a raised buy-in due to the lower amount of players in open and IM
The prize pools have always been irreverent. There has NEVER been a significant financial incentive to play TF2. If you like the game play it. If not leave. If you are playing for money you are in the wrong game anyways.
ESEA is the only option NA TF2 has for the forseeable future. NATF2L would not work because there would be no incentive for players like rando and Bdonski to continue playing as even getting a guaranteed second place yields them no prize money. And the only reason ETF2L has managed to continue its Prem division for so long is because of a contract with Thermaltake that guarenteed a $1,000 prize pool for prem every season. And now that the contract is over and Premiership is left without a prize pool, the fun of playing is the only thing keeping them in the game.
As someone who played ETF2L NOBODY was playing for the money.
The core of EVL would immediately retire and you know some players in Invite would eventually leave if ESEA dropped TF2.
Players leave. This isn't new. Sometimes you have to cut out the cancer to save the rest of the body.
If we support ESEA, we could eventually see the return of ESEA LAN and maybe even an expansion of ESEA into Europe and the rising of prize pools.
Keep dreaming.
But if you believe that NA would be better off with free leagues run by incompetent admins, then I guess you can play UGC.
Could have sworn i mentioned this already.
Creating a ETF2L clone is our only way forward. Nobody wants to pay to play a dead game in a league that doesn't give two shits about us.
UGC is a joke league ran by incompetent admins. What we need is a ETF2L clone.
New players do not want to pay to play in a league that they are just going to get shit on.
If you are playing this game for the money you are in the wrong place. Prize pools are irreverent at this point. The sponsors are not coming back. The ESEA client does not prevent cheaters in TF2.
We need to stop clinging onto the short term benefit that ESEA brings and look more towards the long term sustainability a free community league would bring to our 10 year old game.
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