ur arguing something i'm not suggesting. i absolutely agree with everything you said but i'm only saying that there are some people who literally think the opposite of what you said:

and i'm just saying, that is most definitely not true, as you are agreeing with as well.

but you have to recognize that a game will never be big if the community's toxicity (that is MUCH less extreme than other games) is considered an issue. it's really that simple.

Infinite why do you always sound like a condescending douchebag? Sure dude you put your own money. That really is cool of you, but take some responsibility for just one mistake lol

I completely agree that many 6s players are / do that, but you're absolutely wrong if you think that is even a minor reason for the lackluster competitive scene. I feel like anybody who says this has never played another game competitively, because it's much worse in every successful game.

i'll preface this by saying i enjoy hl (mostly sniper) as much as the next person, but honestly anyone who thinks competitive tf2 is declining because of the close-minded 6s players is beyond delusional and you should never respond to them with more than one sentence lmfao holy shit

I hope you don't mean IM + open rather than invite + open. With invite + open, do you mean like a 20 team invite division? That's not the worst idea, but I don't see how merging IM and invite is better. could you explain because I don't know how it is blatantly the better choice (im legitimately wondering, not rhetorical). Anyway, a large top level where the top division's skill gap is incredibly huge is legitimately one of the worst experiences for both parties. You can say the same thing about merging open and IM, and it's terrible either way, but you have to consider that there would be actually 0 incentive to get to invite if the division were shitty--if top invite had 10 more teams to 5-0. UGC is a prime example of this, despite being hl and UGC; when I played a 15-20 team plat division and rolled every single team except 2, that finalized the death of high level competition in hl, because it simply wasn't fun anymore.

I know this is very telling for tf2's future, but it is only because of the lack of players, not because now there are two divisions. I feel like having two divisions isn't that terrible because it increases the incentive to play with and against better players--to play invite. I could be wrong though, but it doesn't really matter because it's not like the incentive was high recently since the removal of esea LAN.

edit: the best solution would be to move the top 4ish teams to invite to provide a skill level in invite where people wouldn't get rolled every game, because they have a small group of teams to play. The rest would go to open, because low/mid IM is high open anyway.

I used it my first year of college since i used to get lag spikes often before they upgraded the bandwidth. It was hard to tell if it worked, but i think it might've for limiting very subtle lag spikes. It seemed like sometimes when I routed to something more towards the east coast rather than chicago, I had fewer issues.

hello as u can see I'm lft in tf2, not making paladins team. ty for consideration nonetheless

if its because of that money situation, ur money gets refunded if u pay for invite after paying for IM, or at least did in the past

80x bullies rocket a lot...

5 ping idiot

there are at least 7 rn

May the better mod between dmoule and kraftydave win

U forgot a few rly good people

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Except medic is different. Being good at medic in particular is about not making any mistakes, whether or not you want to think people at the top have a "convoluted style of playing." Idk about older medics since I didn't pay much attention to competitive at the time, but shade definitely makes the least mistakes, despite having not the greatest movement or mechanics. Mechanics matter, and that's what helps you clutch rounds, but playing perfect tf2 is 10x more important on medic in the grand scheme of a whole series.