EnzoDBThanks for derailing my serious thread guys, glad to know how serious everyone takes this topic
How serious are you willing to take this topic?
I have far too much to say on this topic but I will give you my very very brief take.
I’m neither Jewish Israeli nor Christian/Muslim Palestinian, I don’t consider myself religious by any stretch of the imagination & as far as politics go I consider myself central, flirting with both left and right depending on what party is currently less insane.
I know Israelis and I known Palestinians,
I have palestinian friends whose grandparents were displaced as a result of the Arab spring war and have since moved from refuge in Lebanon to London, they have strong feelings against the state of Israel. I have friends who’s grandparents were born in Israel before ‘48 as Jews and who’s great grandparents were born in Israel as Jews way before ‘48, who’s grandfathers died during the Yom Kippur war, they in contrast hold strong feelings towards the recognition of the state of Israel. It may come as a surprise to us non Jews but indeed Jews in small numbers have existed in Israel before modern day recognition and in vast numbers if you care to dig up on history.
My friend who’s ‘Palestinian’ has had cousins killed since he’s left sought refuge in Lebanon, who he would tell you died fighting a good cause for the plight of the Palestinians since ‘48, sidestepping the fact that he attacked unarmed civilians at a bus stop in Jerusalem.
My friend who’s ‘Israeli’ grandfather married an Iraqi Jewish woman who fled Iraq due to the prosecution of Jews around the time of 48. He would tell you if it wasn’t for Israel where would have been safe for his grandmother to escape prosecution for being a Jew? Sidestepping the innocent Palestinian lives lost in defence of the state of Israel.
It is a fools errand to believe Jews and Israel have a history only as young as ‘48 and it’s a problematic, seductive idea for those quick to preach free palestine whenever a war breaks out between Israel and Palestine.
Your thread comes at a time when Israel Gaza war has reached a heavy toll on the Gaza death toll, however you make no mention nor have made a thread at any point to Hamas’ attack on Israel and its people on October 7th. A massacre against innocent civilians were children women and men were murdered, raped and kidnapped in the most barbaric fashion. It would take serious brainwashing of a normal human mind to believe Hamas who govern the people of Gaza are anything other than brutal barbaric genocidal fundamentalists who seek very little outside the entire destruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people. In fact it’s their entire mantra, in horrific detail. Hostages are still being held by Hamas in Gaza through a war they most recently started, yet you make no mention of this or plea for their release.
Palestinian civilians should not pay the price by death for the terrorists that govern them, but it is not Israel who should be held accountable for what is happening to Palestinians in the Middle East, it is Hamas and its fractions who hold and seek no moral values even closely resembling an acceptable civilisation.
What does free Palestine to you all mean? From the river to the sea? Hand over the state of Israel to Palestinian leaders? To PLO to Hamas? Will you then in 2 months make a thread about the literal and actual genocide of the millions of Jews who live there that will 100% ensue ? To me free Palestine means free Gaza from Hamas (Israel has not occupied an inch of Gaza since 2005)to
Free Palestine from political antisemites and terrorists so Palestinians can live in a fair two state solution.
We live unfortunately again in an era where it’s okay to be antisemitic, or antisemitic behaviour is less of a problem than other issues, maybe over a month ago ~ 2 months ago, Charlie a popular streamer and prem soldier in the UK had responded to someone mentioning Ali G on stream saying no
‘Sacha Cohen is cancelled I don’t like him’ - Charlie
‘why?’ Person asks
‘He supports bombing of children or some shit’ ‘don’t like him’
‘Isn’t he Jewish?’ Person asks
‘Dunno’ Charlie responds
This guy amusingly continues to play Kanye west on his stream (a known outrageous Jew hater)
Genocide has unfortunately become a buzzword in peoples vocabulary that when numerically and morally analysed doesn’t hold a mirror to the truth.