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Last Posted December 22, 2025 at 3:37 AM
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#413 Saloon.tf in Projects
termoGentlemanJontermoi can obviously understand not being allowed to bet on the team you are playing against but how come you cant bet on your own team to win, isnt it just like more incentive for you to try your best?There are a lot of reasons not to allow it but it boils down to the fact that it will change your behaviour. If a bet is placed in a spread situation, let's say win by a certain amount, it could lead to the team behaving differently than they would have otherwise and that means the betting market as well as the playing field is distorted.

While you might still be playing to win, you also might not do things that you would otherwise do, such as allow a merc or go slow for a couple of rounds trying out some different strats when well ahead. These things matter to other users of the site, and their judgements will have to change based on whether you have bet or not.

If the available range of bets becomes wider, betting on certain events or actions, then players would obviously fix that in their own favour once again altering the course of the game and changing the playing field for other punters, which undermines the service and starts to complicate the policing - which bets can players make and which can't they. The blanket ban simplifies things and theoretically ensures the game's integrity.

thats reasonable under the circumstances that there is betting on certain events/actions, but at this point that isn't the case and therefore i dont see why you shouldnt be able to bet on your own team

POW

I mean spread is an extremely common thing with betting and it's already implemented, the only reason I'm not using it is because I didn't explain it very good on the website. And those rules have to be site wide no matter what kind of a game that is.

posted about 10 years ago
#411 Saloon.tf in Projects
plobsi cannot load my inventory and my trade url is correct, not sure whats wrong.

https://steamgaug.es/ <- Steam API is down for few hours now

posted about 10 years ago
#408 Saloon.tf in Projects
AndKennethCHERRYtermoi can obviously understand not being allowed to bet on the team you are playing against but how come you cant bet on your own team to win, isnt it just like more incentive for you to try your best?It's league specific, I only disallow you to bet on the opposing team, however ESEA and ozfortress don't want you to bet on any outcome of your match.
UGC, ETF2L and AsiaFortress don't have any rules about it I'm aware of.

This may be temporary. We haven't had the chance to fully discuss this rule internally so I erred on the side of caution, but we may loosen the rule after a proper discussion. No promises though.

I'll probably do it site wide for the [R]eason Gentleman Jon posted earlier

GentlemanJontermoi can obviously understand not being allowed to bet on the team you are playing against but how come you cant bet on your own team to win, isnt it just like more incentive for you to try your best?There are a lot of reasons not to allow it but it boils down to the fact that it will change your behaviour. If a bet is placed in a spread situation, let's say win by a certain amount, it could lead to the team behaving differently than they would have otherwise and that means the betting market as well as the playing field is distorted.

While you might still be playing to win, you also might not do things that you would otherwise do, such as allow a merc or go slow for a couple of rounds trying out some different strats when well ahead. These things matter to other users of the site, and their judgements will have to change based on whether you have bet or not.

If the available range of bets becomes wider, betting on certain events or actions, then players would obviously fix that in their own favour once again altering the course of the game and changing the playing field for other punters, which undermines the service and starts to complicate the policing - which bets can players make and which can't they. The blanket ban simplifies things and theoretically ensures the game's integrity.
posted about 10 years ago
#406 Saloon.tf in Projects
KerchCherry, are you able to make your bots trade with the scrap.tf bots?

On scrap.tf you can trade a key for 19.44 refined, which is a fair price. You would then have a more precise currency available for balancing the bets, whenever you had keys you needed to divide up.

I have something similar in mind (yet much easier). I've already done like 80% of it in the past 3 days, should be done tomorrow evening. It should balance payouts better without a need to trade with external services. I might only sell earbuds manually since they are relatively high value, but there is no need for keys really (unless future proves that I'm wrong ;)).
Also I would be surprised if they were allowing botting their service considering how they are always out of stock on keys.

posted about 10 years ago
#16 UGC Plat: MenaceToSociety vs. bote team in Events

Cheers, I'm doing it for the exact reason you posted.
I wanted to bet on you since the odds were quite tempting and you had somewhat of a chande (and I don't always bet on an underdog), would be unfair to carry on with bets if only few had this knowledge (especially since it's such a short notice even people who do the research could fail to get to know it).
Switching sides exists mainly as a fallout of using PMU with moving odds, it's so the people can react to that it really shouldn't be an excuse for letting the games with such a short notice fuckup happen.
The other thing is that I wouldn't really add this game if I knew that from the beginning as with odds close to 100% on one side there are no winners sadly :(
Nonetheless feel free to enjoy the stream if it's happening! There will be more occasions to bet so dw about it :)

posted about 10 years ago
#12 UGC Plat: MenaceToSociety vs. bote team in Events
harbleuCHERRYMankutpeople can still switch sides though if they feel the change in demo affects their odds. it seems a bit extreme to nullify the whole thing because of one roster change.When I was nullifying it their captain said that they'll play 8v9..they are not going to play 8v9. if they do then that is a slap in the face to every backup they have on the roster telling them they're not good enough to play.

Oh well :D
It kinda sounded like that to me.

posted about 10 years ago
#10 UGC Plat: MenaceToSociety vs. bote team in Events
Mankutpeople can still switch sides though if they feel the change in demo affects their odds. it seems a bit extreme to nullify the whole thing because of one roster change.

When I was nullifying it their captain said that they'll play 8v9.. Seems like enough of a reason to me.

posted about 10 years ago
#8 UGC Plat: MenaceToSociety vs. bote team in Events
harbleujust some insight on the match, it looks like bote's starting demo won't be here tonight and instead of using one of their 10 backups they have on the roster they want to use a ringer instead. i normally have no issue allowing ringers regular season, but with that many backups and having had a whole season to have coverage for all classes i chose to deny them one. they apparently didn't even try asking their backups before trying to get a ringer instead, whats the point of having backups if you don't even try to use them? hopefully its still a good match and whoever they have show up ends up playing well.

Because of this and related stuff that I was told (not sure if I can quote)

posted about 10 years ago
#4 UGC Plat: MenaceToSociety vs. bote team in Events

This match has been nullified!
You can get your items back on https://saloon.tf/bets/

posted about 10 years ago
#404 Saloon.tf in Projects

Shit's getting serious :D http://i.imgur.com/QqAhwQy.png

posted about 10 years ago
#36 Giving a girl my phone number in Off Topic

Did you do it or not? You should keep us up to date OP in case someone reads that 2 years later..

posted about 10 years ago
#7 Failed To Start Game (Unknown Error) in Q/A Help

I mean it clearly states that the error is unknown so i doubt he'll find anything in Google

posted about 10 years ago
#1005 Do you like the song above? in Music, Movies, TV
THEBILLDOZEREDIT: I fucked up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZAPtFRpuu8

I really liked the beat.

Something foreign from the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVjaHHNrkc
And if you care about the lyrics here they are translated:

Consumer says that he eats just to eat
Consumer blabs just to blab
His brothers are standing around a radio
Listening to political gibberish

Then they all sit around a table
Drink vodka, talk, have purple faces
And when they can't eat and drink anymore
They gather around a TV

All of them bombarded by bullshit
All of them being burried in information
All of them bombarded by bullshit
All of them being burried in information

When consumer knows that it's hip
Talks about war in the east
He says what he heard in radio news
Are you a consumer?

They care a lot for you consumer
To not to think, work like an instrument
Cause consumer says that he eats just to eat
So spare a thought, do you do it?

All of them bombarded by bullshit
All of them being burried in information
All of them bombarded by bullshit
All of them being burried in information
posted about 10 years ago
#4 ESEA Intermediate: Cafe Monster vs. Hate Being Sober in Events

Why did I think it's a week later :D

posted about 10 years ago
#403 Saloon.tf in Projects

It's not possible atm

posted about 10 years ago
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