Geel9All this could be avoided if people didn't fucking block ads.
It could also have been avoided if ad companies hadn't made such intrusive and content obstructive ads. It's their product that's at fault. Honestly. If you're making adverts which are so bad customers go out of their way to avoid them, then that's a serious fuck up of an advertising model. Also, if your ads major proportion of clicks come from users who didn't even mean to click it, that's almost fraudulent in my eyes.
And the people using them just saw $ signs in their eyes. A way to get more ad click money, while they knew full well the ads pissed everyone off and didn't care at all, had not everyone jumped aboard I've got no doubt any website doing that would have died, but that's how it happened.
IMO the blame lies solely with, frankly, everyone who isn't the customer.
[quote=Geel9]
All this could be avoided if people didn't fucking block ads.[/quote]
It could also have been avoided if ad companies hadn't made such intrusive and content obstructive ads. It's their product that's at fault. Honestly. If you're making adverts which are so bad customers go out of their way to avoid them, then that's a serious fuck up of an advertising model. Also, if your ads major proportion of clicks come from users who didn't even mean to click it, that's almost fraudulent in my eyes.
And the people using them just saw $ signs in their eyes. A way to get more ad click money, while they knew full well the ads pissed everyone off and didn't care at all, had not everyone jumped aboard I've got no doubt any website doing that would have died, but that's how it happened.
IMO the blame lies solely with, frankly, everyone who isn't the customer.
Dave_lol i haven't seen a YouTube ad in years
almost forgot they existed
Yeah YouTube ads became so intrusive that I just had to leave adblock on for all channels. I'm not watching a 30 second unskippable ad to see a 2 minute video no matter how much I support the content creator.
[quote=Dave_]lol i haven't seen a YouTube ad in years
almost forgot they existed[/quote]
Yeah YouTube ads became so intrusive that I just had to leave adblock on for all channels. I'm not watching a 30 second unskippable ad to see a 2 minute video no matter how much I support the content creator.
MasterKuni1) Ad networks did this to themselves. Pop-unders, flash ads, allowing arbitrary javascript execution, full-screen modals covering content, automatic app-store redirects on iOS/Android devices. Screw all of that noise. Facebook is one of the only categorically non-terrible ad networks because they only allow static images.
If blocking ads means a shift in the way the web is monetized, that's fine with me. At least it means websites won't be able to track my browsing habits, steal my bandwidth, and waste my time by loading and rendering junk I didn't ask for and don't want to see
You know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
MasterKuni2) If I'm on a mobile device, accessing a site is also costing me money. Every megabyte transferred costs the user orders of magnitude more than the pittance of bandwidth it costs the website hosting provider. According to this article, one single page load of CNN costs 14 cents, and 9 cents of that is just for the advertising payload!
But that's a problem of infrastructure and competition in your country, for example I have a mobile 1gb plan for about 8€/month (5gb is around 14€) and it's more than enough for a month even with heavy usage (unless you consume a lot of video)-.
[quote=MasterKuni]
1) Ad networks did this to themselves. Pop-unders, flash ads, allowing arbitrary javascript execution, full-screen modals covering content, automatic app-store redirects on iOS/Android devices. Screw all of that noise. Facebook is one of the only categorically non-terrible ad networks because they only allow static images.
If blocking ads means a shift in the way the web is monetized, that's fine with me. At least it means websites won't be able to track my browsing habits, steal my bandwidth, and waste my time by loading and rendering junk I didn't ask for and don't want to see
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You know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
[quote=MasterKuni]2) If I'm on a mobile device, accessing a site is also costing [i]me[/i] money. Every megabyte transferred costs the user orders of magnitude more than the pittance of bandwidth it costs the website hosting provider. According to [url=http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/01/business/cost-of-mobile-ads.html]this article[/url], one single page load of CNN costs 14 cents, and 9 cents of that is just for the advertising payload![/quote]
But that's a problem of infrastructure and competition in your country, for example I have a mobile 1gb plan for about 8€/month (5gb is around 14€) and it's more than enough for a month even with heavy usage (unless you consume a lot of video)-.
I guess RedTube was already taken eh?
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I'm sorry.
I guess RedTube was already taken eh?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/h1foL0I.jpg?1[/img]
[spoiler]I'm sorry.[/spoiler]
enigmaMrFahr3nheitThat was something that annoyed me.
In between classes I would relax in my car and try to nap or dick around on my phone (android device), whenever I would try to come onto teamfortress.tv it would automatically open my appstore and direct me to a random popular game like Words with Friends.
That shit is fucking obnoxious.
should be fixed after I did this: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/495749/issues-with-mobile
are you still getting redirects on mobile?
Just trying the website right now on mobile and it appears to not auto direct me anymore, thank you.
[quote=enigma][quote=MrFahr3nheit]That was something that annoyed me.
In between classes I would relax in my car and try to nap or dick around on my phone (android device), whenever I would try to come onto teamfortress.tv it would automatically open my appstore and direct me to a random popular game like Words with Friends.
That shit is fucking obnoxious.[/quote]
should be fixed after I did this: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/495749/issues-with-mobile
are you still getting redirects on mobile?[/quote]
Just trying the website right now on mobile and it appears to not auto direct me anymore, thank you.
In a third world country like Latvia, we don't get YouTube ads. Latvia 1 YouTube 0
In a third world country like Latvia, we don't get YouTube ads. Latvia 1 YouTube 0
enigmaMrFahr3nheitThat was something that annoyed me.
In between classes I would relax in my car and try to nap or dick around on my phone (android device), whenever I would try to come onto teamfortress.tv it would automatically open my appstore and direct me to a random popular game like Words with Friends.
That shit is fucking obnoxious.
should be fixed after I did this: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/495749/issues-with-mobile
are you still getting redirects on mobile?
I just happened to load up the website on mobile and just got a Play Store redirect ad.
[quote=enigma][quote=MrFahr3nheit]That was something that annoyed me.
In between classes I would relax in my car and try to nap or dick around on my phone (android device), whenever I would try to come onto teamfortress.tv it would automatically open my appstore and direct me to a random popular game like Words with Friends.
That shit is fucking obnoxious.[/quote]
should be fixed after I did this: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/495749/issues-with-mobile
are you still getting redirects on mobile?[/quote]
I just happened to load up the website on mobile and just got a Play Store redirect ad.
KanecoYou know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
This will be the answer for some sites, some news sites have already moved behind a paywall (eg. thetimes). However a more pragmatic solution that is already in the works is a defined standard of ads that is acceptable to all parties in terms of size, content. positioning and source.
The majority of viewers can live with this scenario view the content.
[quote=Kaneco]
You know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
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This will be the answer for some sites, some news sites have already moved behind a paywall (eg. thetimes). However a more pragmatic solution that is already in the works is a defined standard of ads that is acceptable to all parties in terms of size, content. positioning and source.
The majority of viewers can live with this scenario view the content.
HKanecoYou know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
This will be the answer for some sites, some news sites have already moved behind a paywall (eg. thetimes). However a more pragmatic solution that is already in the works is a defined standard of ads that is acceptable to all parties in terms of size, content. positioning and source.
The majority of viewers can live with this scenario view the content.
That was already proved unsucessful after a couple adblocker extensions including the original ones tried to add a whitelist of non-introsive reviewed ads and there was a huge outcry all over the web with clickbait titles over the devs of these extensions taking bribes and selling out to advertisers. People have to understand that if you're not paying for something then you are the product being sold, they can't just have their cake and eat it too.
[quote=H][quote=Kaneco]
You know the shift that will eventually happen if adblockers get mass usage is that most sites will rely on subscription models or even more agressive kind of ads, it's a lose-lose situation, both for the content producers as well as the visitors.
[/quote]
This will be the answer for some sites, some news sites have already moved behind a paywall (eg. thetimes). However a more pragmatic solution that is already in the works is a defined standard of ads that is acceptable to all parties in terms of size, content. positioning and source.
The majority of viewers can live with this scenario view the content.[/quote]
That was already proved unsucessful after a couple adblocker extensions including the original ones tried to add a whitelist of non-introsive reviewed ads and there was a[url=http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/06/google-and-others-reportedly-pay-adblock-plus-to-show-you-ads-anyway/] huge outcry[/url] all over the web with clickbait titles over the devs of these extensions taking bribes and selling out to advertisers. People have to understand that if you're not paying for something then you are the product being sold, they can't just have their cake and eat it too.
If the content is worth paying for, people will pay for it.
I'm not gonna crucify Google for going "ok youtube make some dollars" but I'm not gonna stop using ublock origin either. I want to see YTR in action before I start going "HAH SUCKERS PAYING MONEY TO USE AD BLOCKERS ON YOUTUBE".
Also advertising firms are really fucking bad. Lots of money to be made, but most of the products suck and there are plenty of people who are great examples of "Cs Get Degrees". It's definitely not as simple as "just like make gud ad for gud product :DDDDDD turn off adblocking addons 2 c da GOOD ads :DDDD" and it's gonna take something drastic to change the opinions of people who have garnered the know-how to dodge advertisements.
t. knower
If the content is worth paying for, people will pay for it.
I'm not gonna crucify Google for going "ok youtube make some dollars" but I'm not gonna stop using ublock origin either. I want to see YTR in action before I start going "HAH SUCKERS PAYING MONEY TO USE AD BLOCKERS ON YOUTUBE".
Also advertising firms are really fucking bad. Lots of money to be made, but most of the products suck and there are plenty of people who are great examples of "Cs Get Degrees". It's definitely not as simple as "just like make gud ad for gud product :DDDDDD turn off adblocking addons 2 c da GOOD ads :DDDD" and it's gonna take something drastic to change the opinions of people who have garnered the know-how to dodge advertisements.
t. knower
Hahahha, who came up with that name ;_;
Hahahha, who came up with that name ;_;