use a keyboard from 1999 you'll be fine

https://youtu.be/vYq-CGXW-SQ?t=20

Please stop with the lighting posts, the map has been compiled with less than optimal settings so that he doesn't have to compile for 12 hours at a time.

Probably just Badlands for both.
Last has narrow sightlines, weird angles and you have nearly 0 impact when a team comes in + the rest of the map is just kind of terrible, the only 'good' sightlines are on 2nd, but they are very easily flanked and you'd be better off playing Scout or Soldier a lot of the time.
That's not to say that he's bad on Badlands, just that he has the least impact of all the levels in the rotation (ozfort rotation at least).

As someone who has tried to make 6v6 levels in the past (koth_satori, cp_banana) you need to have quite the knowledge and experience in hammer and tf2 level design to even get something half decent made. I made cp_banana 1.5 years into making levels, and it was still terrible. While I thought it may have been good, everything about it still had design issues that, while fine in a pub environment became major issues in a comp environment.

So honestly, truthful answer - Don't make a comp map as your first level. I know that's what you don't want to hear but everyone whose map has been played in even UGC has quite a few normal maps under their belt. Come over to TF2maps.net and get comfy in our community, you'll need the support.

People seem to underappreciate how much dedication and time it takes to be a level designer, especially for such a complex and deep mode as 6v6 tf2. Phi, Bakscratch and Scorpio have been at it for quite a while, some even from 2007.

Edit: I realise this makes me sound like an elitist asshole.. that's not how i envisioned this post.

Thank god nobody is picking that Tlop garbage. The top 3 have to be TCD, Late Registration and Twisted Fantasy for me. Although Graduation is very close, fucking love Champion, Good Life and Homecoming but it is let down by a lackluster middle area (Barry Bonds is hot garbage, Drunk & Hot Girls is so lazy).

It's hard to pick one, honestly.

ma boi

It didn't have snow when he borrowed it, I have a previous version and it just had normal badlands ground textures.

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DAT remake, really nice. I'll edit this post with crits tonight after we playtest.

I am almost certain that the map is fast compiled, no need to wait 12hrs to compile a version on full settings.

Just played this 7v7 on the TF2maps servers.

- The point doesn't unlock.
- The areas are too connected, the different entrances don't feel like they lead to separate push areas, just one main hallway.
- The point area and geometry is underscaled as hell, making soldier and scout too powerful.
- The spawn is terrible, look at how Viaduct constructs its courtyard.

Edit: Not exactly sure why I am being downvoted, this is actual feedback from playtesting.

I had this, I had to update to the newest graphics drivers. I also couldn't see grenades in csgo.

Probably a shitty areaportal

The railings aren't clipped in the original badlands either. The problem with the last is that it is circular and brush-based, which TF2 has problems with. You can get stuck to the side of Lighthouse on sunshine for the same reason too, pressing into curved brushes screws with the game. Nothing us as mappers can really do about it, it's a problem valve has to fix (unlikely).

Great to see you're back Choj.

In terms of what should be looked at, I think middle and last are the most problematic right now.

the main reason that attacking last is very difficult is that it's very open, and you've got a lot of time to be killed or popped as a medic when walking in and trying to trade/kill with uber. Not to mention that the defending team gets 2nd point tier height advantage. (whereas on Process/Badlands/Sunshine the height advantages on last are a lot less than on Snakewater)
By the time you walk to the enemy team, you've already gotten 2 seconds off of your uber before they even need to think about popping to counter. And even if they don't, they can retreat back into spawn, or just jump away due to the massive size of the last. I think bringing the main choke closer to last, maybe where the stairs are right now would help facilitate uber pushes better.