All this independence bullshit is just a punching bag to make noise so nobody talks about how our corrupted mafia-like goverment keeps robbing us. Thieves like Artur Mas (who literally did a fund-me-like to get citizens to pay the fees imposed by his illegal acts) and the Puyol family just get away after all they've stolen...
Can't wait for Andorra to enter the EU soon so they have to reveal all the juicy information from being a tax haven to expose more of this shit
All this independence bullshit is just a punching bag to make noise so nobody talks about how our corrupted mafia-like goverment keeps robbing us. Thieves like Artur Mas (who literally did a fund-me-like to get citizens to pay the fees imposed by his illegal acts) and the Puyol family just get away after all they've stolen...
Can't wait for Andorra to enter the EU soon so they have to reveal all the juicy information from being a tax haven to expose more of this shit
neekom0e_tv You linked a video that has nothing to do with what I said. Even if it did, everything about the video, from title to description is anti-independence, leading me to reason that the video was created for the reason of anti-independence propaganda paid for by the monarchy and madrideno parliaments that Catalonia is trying to separate in the first place.
Bias news source, but nice try you Hash-Slinging Fuck.
Tell me about being misinformed? How about you pick up a book about Spanish economy/history.
Here's an article proving you wrong in every facet, and its not biased madrideno shit on a page like what you are bringing to the table. UNBIASED ARTICLE FROM THE MOST TRUSTED NEWS NETWORK IN YOUR COUNTRY
I've corrected everything you have said so far with facts and common sense. you're not even a spanish citizen and you think you have a correct grasp of the situation while avoiding all the counter arguments I have made to disprove your bullshit generalized claims. The video is not representing ANYTHING biased in the title or in the video what the fuck are you saying?? And el pais is a bit left wing just like cnbc which you used as your link?? lmao. The title is literally just says what happened, its a manifestation in barcelona for the unity of spain. And the video was just an addition to show some visual content of the streets of barcelona flooded with catalans against the seperation while holding both spanish and catalunya flags (dont forget your hilarious 90% claim that i'm sure you got from reliable ""sources"") you're telling me to pick up a spanish history book when I have made mentions in previous comments that gave clear implications of where my perspective is coming from yet you made oblivious accusations of my ideology by tying it to your website you most likely come from considering you used meme arrows on a tf2 forum (you probably STILL don't know what i'm talking about because you probably don't know spanish civil war history etc) so don't tell me I need to learn spanish history lol when you're not even a citizen which is obviously assume considering you said "your country", btw your link is an OUTSIDE source not even from spain with poor journalism making the same claims that have already been corrected but i'm sure you will spew your conspiracy garbo or refuse to believe facts. catalunya's economy could face an immediate impact of around 25-30% economic shrinkage because of everything I have already told you and more but you think because they have a high gpd everything will be a-ok!! I think you need to learn basic economics my wanna be moE friend
Alright.
Listen close. and listen hard.
NBC is the most trusted news network in your country.
Second of all, "El Pais" is a right wing propoganda newspaper headquartered in Madrid. (that's why you think this anti-Catalunya garbage is true, stop reading lies)
Spanish Civil War, yes, please tell me how Madrid are the good guys in any way. Catalunya has been oppressed since before that event, so why tf would you ever bring that up in an argument about secession.
If you hate Catalonia that much, why are worried about Catalan "economic shrinkage"?
Because you are scared, that if Catalonia, filled with blue-collar workers, will have the right to a vote in a country once again, and oust you Monarch loving, out of touch, old money, Madridenos out of your trillions of tax dollars made off of the hard working backs of poor Catalans.
Economics you say.
How about having a GDP higher than many countries as only an underrepresented part of Spain.
You are lost, and angry at Catalonia for not what may happen, but for what will happen.
Secession is imminent, and the monarchy you adore set up by a ruthless dictator will collapse in front of your eyes.
Threats, then reparations are all Madrid has left.
Next comes Catalan revolution.
[quote=neeko][quote=m0e_tv] You linked a video that has nothing to do with what I said. Even if it did, everything about the video, from title to description is anti-independence, leading me to reason that the video was created for the reason of anti-independence propaganda paid for by the monarchy and madrideno parliaments that Catalonia is trying to separate in the first place.
Bias news source, but nice try you Hash-Slinging Fuck.
Tell me about being misinformed? How about you pick up a book about Spanish economy/history.
Here's an article proving you wrong in every facet, and its not biased madrideno shit on a page like what you are bringing to the table. [url=https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/01/catalan-independence-referendum-government-says-90-percent-voted-to-leave-spain.html]UNBIASED ARTICLE FROM THE MOST TRUSTED NEWS NETWORK IN YOUR COUNTRY[/url][/quote]
I've corrected everything you have said so far with facts and common sense. you're not even a spanish citizen and you think you have a correct grasp of the situation while avoiding all the counter arguments I have made to disprove your bullshit generalized claims. The video is not representing ANYTHING biased in the title or in the video what the fuck are you saying?? And el pais is a bit left wing just like cnbc which you used as your link?? lmao. The title is literally just says what happened, its a manifestation in barcelona for the unity of spain. And the video was just an addition to show some visual content of the streets of barcelona flooded with catalans against the seperation while holding both spanish and catalunya flags (dont forget your hilarious 90% claim that i'm sure you got from reliable ""sources"") you're telling me to pick up a spanish history book when I have made mentions in previous comments that gave clear implications of where my perspective is coming from yet you made oblivious accusations of my ideology by tying it to your website you most likely come from considering you used meme arrows on a tf2 forum (you probably STILL don't know what i'm talking about because you probably don't know spanish civil war history etc) so don't tell me I need to learn spanish history lol when you're not even a citizen which is obviously assume considering you said "your country", btw your link is an OUTSIDE source not even from spain with poor journalism making the same claims that have already been corrected but i'm sure you will spew your conspiracy garbo or refuse to believe facts. catalunya's economy could face an immediate impact of around 25-30% economic shrinkage because of everything I have already told you and more but you think because they have a high gpd everything will be a-ok!! I think you need to learn basic economics my wanna be moE friend[/quote]
Alright.
Listen close. and listen hard.
NBC is the most trusted news network in your country.
Second of all, "El Pais" is a right wing propoganda newspaper headquartered in Madrid. (that's why you think this anti-Catalunya garbage is true, stop reading lies)
Spanish Civil War, yes, please tell me how Madrid are the good guys in any way. Catalunya has been oppressed since before that event, so why tf would you ever bring that up in an argument about secession.
If you hate Catalonia that much, why are worried about Catalan "economic shrinkage"?
Because you are scared, that if Catalonia, filled with blue-collar workers, will have [b]the right to a vote in a country[/b] once again, and oust you Monarch loving, out of touch, old money, Madridenos out of your trillions of tax dollars made off of the hard working backs of poor Catalans.
Economics you say.
How about having a GDP higher than many countries as only an underrepresented part of Spain.
You are lost, and angry at Catalonia for not what may happen, but for what will happen.
Secession is imminent, and the monarchy you adore set up by a ruthless dictator will collapse in front of your eyes.
Threats, then reparations are all Madrid has left.
Next comes Catalan revolution.
m0e_tv Alright.
Listen close. and listen hard.
NBC is the most trusted news network in your country.
Second of all, "El Pais" is a right wing propoganda newspaper headquartered in Madrid. (that's why you think this anti-Catalunya garbage is true, stop reading lies)
Spanish Civil War, yes, please tell me how Madrid are the good guys in any way. Catalunya has been oppressed since before that event, so why tf would you ever bring that up in an argument about secession.
If you hate Catalonia that much, why are worried about Catalan "economic shrinkage"?
Because you are scared, that if Catalonia, filled with blue-collar workers, will have the right to a vote in a country once again, and oust you Monarch loving, out of touch, old money, Madridenos out of your trillions of tax dollars made off of the hard working backs of poor Catalans.
Economics you say.
How about having a GDP higher than many countries as only an underrepresented part of Spain.
You are lost, and angry at Catalonia for not what may happen, but for what will happen.
Secession is imminent, and the monarchy you adore set up by a ruthless dictator will collapse in front of your eyes.
Threats, then reparations are all Madrid has left.
Next comes Catalan revolution.
LOL if you ACTUALLY think el pais is right wing you're a fucking moron holy shit, they arose after franco's death and supported the spanish socialist workers party and was most vociferous critics of spain's involvement in the 2003 Iraq war. and wtf are you literally talking about bringing up madrid when I referenced the spanish civil war, that's not what i'm referring to, MY entire paternal heritage line is basque (this is like the 3rd time I'm clearly stating basque culture and you go on to call me a monarch lover lol literally wtf how stupid are you), a region and culture in the north of people who REALLY faced oppression during francos fascist regime, they were bombed, imprisoned for speaking their own language and embracing anything basque, and are very well known for their far left/progressive ideology and independence movement who fought facist and franco's oppression as militias during the spanish civil war (one of them being my great grandfather) so why the fuck would I ever "go on /pol/" as you keep claiming and read right wing biased media sources. you're a brainlet jesus. I'm from donostia in euskadi not madrid you retard idk why you keep implying i'm a madrileno, a big reason of why their gdp is that high is because half their trade export and business's are within the spanish market which they will face massive boycott, business's and workers refusing to migrate with the rest of catalunya, and have to use tons of resources to pay for basic state structures as a new nation such as central banks, embassies etc etc etc on top of facing economic impact and losing the privilege of being in the european union which will all together take a toll on their economic status. It's not about "being scared" stop making childish dumbass remarks its about avoiding economic impact during recession for both spain and catalunya, if they wanna leave they could go for all I care, but the big concern is about the economic impact both will face and the lies and propaganda that is being spread from pro separatist and puigdemont. how are you this clueless to understanding the basic economics on how it would effect both sides negatively. I'm under the impression you have never even stepped foot in spain yet you think you know what you're talking about, you can't understand a dynamic without experiencing it first hand
[quote=m0e_tv] Alright.
Listen close. and listen hard.
NBC is the most trusted news network in your country.
Second of all, "El Pais" is a right wing propoganda newspaper headquartered in Madrid. (that's why you think this anti-Catalunya garbage is true, stop reading lies)
Spanish Civil War, yes, please tell me how Madrid are the good guys in any way. Catalunya has been oppressed since before that event, so why tf would you ever bring that up in an argument about secession.
If you hate Catalonia that much, why are worried about Catalan "economic shrinkage"?
Because you are scared, that if Catalonia, filled with blue-collar workers, will have [b]the right to a vote in a country[/b] once again, and oust you Monarch loving, out of touch, old money, Madridenos out of your trillions of tax dollars made off of the hard working backs of poor Catalans.
Economics you say.
How about having a GDP higher than many countries as only an underrepresented part of Spain.
You are lost, and angry at Catalonia for not what may happen, but for what will happen.
Secession is imminent, and the monarchy you adore set up by a ruthless dictator will collapse in front of your eyes.
Threats, then reparations are all Madrid has left.
Next comes Catalan revolution.[/quote]
LOL if you ACTUALLY think el pais is right wing you're a fucking moron holy shit, they arose after franco's death and supported the spanish socialist workers party and was most vociferous critics of spain's involvement in the 2003 Iraq war. and wtf are you literally talking about bringing up madrid when I referenced the spanish civil war, that's not what i'm referring to, MY entire paternal heritage line is basque (this is like the 3rd time I'm clearly stating basque culture and you go on to call me a monarch lover lol literally wtf how stupid are you), a region and culture in the north of people who REALLY faced oppression during francos fascist regime, they were bombed, imprisoned for speaking their own language and embracing anything basque, and are very well known for their far left/progressive ideology and independence movement who fought facist and franco's oppression as militias during the spanish civil war (one of them being my great grandfather) so why the fuck would I ever "go on /pol/" as you keep claiming and read right wing biased media sources. you're a brainlet jesus. I'm from donostia in euskadi not madrid you retard idk why you keep implying i'm a madrileno, a big reason of why their gdp is that high is because half their trade export and business's are within the spanish market which they will face massive boycott, business's and workers refusing to migrate with the rest of catalunya, and have to use tons of resources to pay for basic state structures as a new nation such as central banks, embassies etc etc etc on top of facing economic impact and losing the privilege of being in the european union which will all together take a toll on their economic status. It's not about "being scared" stop making childish dumbass remarks its about avoiding economic impact during recession for both spain and catalunya, if they wanna leave they could go for all I care, but the big concern is about the economic impact both will face and the lies and propaganda that is being spread from pro separatist and puigdemont. how are you this clueless to understanding the basic economics on how it would effect both sides negatively. I'm under the impression you have never even stepped foot in spain yet you think you know what you're talking about, you can't understand a dynamic without experiencing it first hand