I understand, and that’s why I don’t want to straight remove “bad maps.” I think we just need more options. If they mimicked most of CS:GO’s comp structure, why not include things like map/mode selection, queue times and queue stats?

Also, this queue issue needs to be addressed soon before motivation for the everyday user to queue dies down too far (like with the previous MM).

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edit: nvm ignore i didn't see the two -40% stats lol

anyway it's a heavy melee who cares that much

buy a left handed mouse
rebind movement keys to numpad or whatever you want
solved

I'd think they would get to that soon as well. It's clearly a talked about problem that makes the mode almost entirely unplayable atm.

messiah have u tried unbinding your wasd and space? it sounds like u might have more fun that way.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at as well. Graphical restrictions suck in general, but the current MM restrictions are insanely tight. Frames are one problem, but visibility and clutter is another as well. There's just blood, gibs and smoke everywhere and having a fourth of my screen blocked by a rocket launcher doesn't help.

I agree, but some players may enjoy it. I think the better option is map selection/mode selection. Nobody can be unhappy then. Remember that integrated competitive is going to include lower-level players as well who may prefer to play Payload even in a 6v6 scenario. I believe players should be able to choose to be able to play PL, but not forced to.

This is why I think the TF team needs to allow more option toggling. Blood, gibs and ragdolls drop my frames, too, and I think gamplay and fun should be prioritized over uniformity at the moment.

I understand what they're doing, but why not just, at the very least, not negate my entire config?

Yeah, I totally agree. From what I've heard, it's just a bug. I've seen too many people trying to queue for this to be a player problem. Not to mention, I'm not just seeing the same players over and over like in the pre-update comp.

I kinda wanna have a formal discussion now that matchmaking is "truly" released. I'll just start with listing some somewhat obvious pros and cons.

Pros
- Overhauled with fixes and improvements
- Ranks and Glicko
- Displayed MMR
- Placement matches
- Ranks are cleaner and grouped making placement easier to identify (akin to CS)

Cons
- Default settings are still absurdly restrictive
- Queue times are bugged to hell
- No class restrictions (weapon restricts are unreasonable as it's integrated into the game itself)
- No server/players queuing info (minute con, but I miss having this info)
- No map/mode selection
- Strict graphics settings

Basically, this is much better but still needs a good amount of work. Top priority for me would obviously be fixing the queue times (which I've heard is being addressed). Next, fix defaults so they are truly competitive defaults (i.e. viewmodel_fov 90, toggles for ragdolls and blood, r_drawviewmodels toggle, etc.)

There's also a big gray area with bots. In CS, a player can take control of a bot so that it's not just a perma-5v6. Unfortunately, this can't be applied in TF2. I'm wondering what could make this more fair other than just scrapping the game.

I'm interested in what everyone else is thinking (looking for a real discussion rather than just straight up cynicism).

Helpful links for anyone possibly out of the loop
March 28 Blog Post
March 28 Patch Notes
Updated Meet Your Match FAQ

I'm gonna take WarOwl's experiences here as an example. WarOwl, a "new" player to TF2 (at least in it's current day state), felt the community was all around overwhelmingly positive. Though, he did find the Casual server denizens to be quite obnoxious (though that doesn't necessarily mean they were toxic, just annoying). He very much liked the competitive community from what he experienced.

STAR_ has also had good times in this community. If he's going to boldly state that the friends he's made within this community all fall within being toxic then that's just horseshit. I mean, sure, people get competitive sometimes and say some hurtful shit but that's just competitive. It happens in every game.

In my own experience, I've definitely encountered toxic players. Though, in my mere 500 hours or so playing, for example, CS:GO, I've encountered more toxic and just outright vulgar players than I have ever in my 4000 of playing TF2 (for much longer nonetheless).

I think the 6s community itself gets a bad rap as being "toxic" just because it's more closely knit. The most toxicity I've ever experienced is actually in other gamemodes (i.e. HL). 6s players generally just want it to be understood why 6s is played; not for elitism but for a combination of good gameplay and "spectator-ability."

I'm going off on a lot of tangents that might not even be relevant to the OP at this point, but I think they're important to talk about and take into consideration. I'm tired for TF2 being flamed for things that are absurdly untrue and pandering.

i think it was just me and one joke one but sure

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