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Rendering/uploading help?
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I've been working for a long time now trying to get high quality footage of QL onto yt but... haven't. After many hours of working I've totally lost perspective on the quality of my vids and my friends are giving me conflicting feedback, so I'd like some people to have a look at this for me and offer some help if they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET8xL-s2xB4

I think the quality looks okay, but a friend of mine said that when he set it to 1080p it looked like upscaled 360p

I'd also like opinions on the colors because they look totally different depending what monitor I view it on, and I don't know how to work around that issue.

Beyond this point are details about my process, so if anyone can help with this, please do. This is the process that's given me the best results so far:

-use wolfcam to get a series of .TGAs and a .WAV, then virtualdub to save them as an .AVI
-use color director, mess with the colors, render in h264 format
-use easy h.264 to encode with "extreme+ HD" (kirby's suggested brassammense give me slightly smaller files at slightly worse quality)

it seems like no matter what I do, I lose quality at h.264, and then lose a bunch more from the upload.
http://i.imgur.com/McKShYd.jpg <pre and post upload comparison. (difference is much more noticeable fullscreen obv)

SO if anyone can tell me what I can do to get yt to stop shredding my quality or get a better way to get my .AVIs to uploadable sizes and formats, I'd really, really appreciate it.

I've been working for a long time now trying to get high quality footage of QL onto yt but... haven't. After many hours of working I've totally lost perspective on the quality of my vids and my friends are giving me conflicting feedback, so I'd like some people to have a look at this for me and offer some help if they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET8xL-s2xB4

I think the quality looks okay, but a friend of mine said that when he set it to 1080p it looked like upscaled 360p

I'd also like opinions on the colors because they look totally different depending what monitor I view it on, and I don't know how to work around that issue.

[i]Beyond this point are details about my process, so if anyone can help with this, please do[/i]. This is the process that's given me the best results so far:

-use wolfcam to get a series of .TGAs and a .WAV, then virtualdub to save them as an .AVI
-use color director, mess with the colors, render in h264 format
-use easy h.264 to encode with "extreme+ HD" (kirby's suggested brassammense give me slightly smaller files at slightly worse quality)

it seems like no matter what I do, I lose quality at h.264, and then lose a bunch more from the upload.
http://i.imgur.com/McKShYd.jpg <pre and post upload comparison. (difference is much more noticeable fullscreen obv)

SO if anyone can tell me what I can do to get yt to stop shredding my quality or get a better way to get my .AVIs to uploadable sizes and formats, I'd really, really appreciate it.
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What bitrate are you using?

What bitrate are you using?
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Here is a neat page with recommended bitrates
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
You can use MediaInfo to quickly find information about your video files.

Also, I don't know how much disk space you have but....
Encode the image sequence to a lossless codec like Lagarith/UT video.
Also after messing around with color director, same thing. Encode into lossless codec.

By continually encoding in a very compressed and lossy encoder you're introducing artifacts/noise even before you upload to youtube.

Only your final encode, the one to be sent out to youtube, should be compressed with a h264 encoder. I prefer virtualdub's external encoder (x264+NeroACC>mp4) feature over easy h264...

Here is a neat page with recommended bitrates
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en
You can use MediaInfo to quickly find information about your video files.

Also, I don't know how much disk space you have but....
Encode the image sequence to a lossless codec like Lagarith/UT video.
Also after messing around with color director, same thing. Encode into lossless codec.

By continually encoding in a very compressed and lossy encoder you're introducing artifacts/noise even before you upload to youtube.

Only your final encode, the one to be sent out to youtube, should be compressed with a h264 encoder. I prefer virtualdub's external encoder (x264+NeroACC>mp4) feature over easy h264...
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I'm pretty sure everything is completely lossless (or at least very close) until I got h.264 output. Thanks for the link. I've been messing with bitrates and encoding methods for a while now and gotten better results, but still not quite up to par. I'll have an update here tomorrow. Also haven't yet figured out how to get vdub to output any compressed video, just .avis.
Anyway I think I'm making progress again.

-Mike-What bitrate are you using?

The one in the video in OP was 6398 kbps

I'm pretty sure everything is completely lossless (or at least very close) until I got h.264 output. Thanks for the link. I've been messing with bitrates and encoding methods for a while now and gotten better results, but still not quite up to par. I'll have an update here tomorrow. Also haven't yet figured out how to get vdub to output any compressed video, just .avis.
Anyway I think I'm making progress again.

[quote=-Mike-]What bitrate are you using?[/quote]

The one in the video in OP was 6398 kbps
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvNMcStAqU4

this is my latest attempt. looks a fair bit better. I still have quite a bit of quality to get into this but I'm not really sure how to get it. I'll keep trying to get vdub to render mp4s but so far I haven't figured out how to get anything but .avis out of it.

Thanks for the posts, they helped a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvNMcStAqU4

this is my latest attempt. looks a fair bit better. I still have quite a bit of quality to get into this but I'm not really sure how to get it. I'll keep trying to get vdub to render mp4s but so far I haven't figured out how to get anything but .avis out of it.

Thanks for the posts, they helped a lot.
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Link

Best Tutorial I've seen yet. Works really well.

[url=https://frapsforum.com/threads/virtualdub-save-direct-to-mp4-fraps-to-youtube-with-external-encoders.2446/]Link[/url]

Best Tutorial I've seen yet. Works really well.
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