You also have to take into consideration there are actually so many unlocks that are just reskins that it makes it that much more difficult.
In CS at the higher levels you can somewhat predict/estimate the amount of cash the other team has compared to you, whether they are going to eco or buy, and make decisions off that as the game progresses. TF2 is literally a controlled pub when you get down to it, you can get any weapon, at any time, on any class, whitelist-wise.
I honestly don't think you can cast this game at any point if unlocks are ALL allowed. The players would think the game was awful and the skill aspect would be removed. There are DEFINITELY weapons more powerful than the pistol, the default rocket launcher, the med beam, etc. You currently can't tell what weapons a class is holding without them switching to it (a problem we discussed VERRRRY early on when the class updates were rolling out). This is a massive problem fundamentally. Sure some weapons come with different reskins for classes but you can't tell if the scout is running atomizer or bat or three runed blade without them using it. All of these items have different 'passives' and change the gameplay. Same with bonk vs critacola vs pocket pistol.
Game has a lot of things that need to be fixed competitively fundamentally before there is any hope of a legitimate game mode that is both fun for the players and spectator friendly, and more lenient on the weapon bans.
You also have to take into consideration there are actually so many unlocks that are just reskins that it makes it that much more difficult.
In CS at the higher levels you can somewhat predict/estimate the amount of cash the other team has compared to you, whether they are going to eco or buy, and make decisions off that as the game progresses. TF2 is literally a controlled pub when you get down to it, you can get any weapon, at any time, on any class, whitelist-wise.
I honestly don't think you can cast this game at any point if unlocks are ALL allowed. The players would think the game was awful and the skill aspect would be removed. There are DEFINITELY weapons more powerful than the pistol, the default rocket launcher, the med beam, etc. You currently can't tell what weapons a class is holding without them switching to it (a problem we discussed VERRRRY early on when the class updates were rolling out). This is a massive problem fundamentally. Sure some weapons come with different reskins for classes but you can't tell if the scout is running atomizer or bat or three runed blade without them using it. All of these items have different 'passives' and change the gameplay. Same with bonk vs critacola vs pocket pistol.
Game has a lot of things that need to be fixed competitively fundamentally before there is any hope of a legitimate game mode that is both fun for the players and spectator friendly, and more lenient on the weapon bans.
Can't you have players lock in their loadouts/class, and put loadout or class changes on a cooldown? Its more interesting than more bans.
Can't you have players lock in their loadouts/class, and put loadout or class changes on a cooldown? Its more interesting than more bans.
Hey guys, (A:R) seven here checking in for the first time. Dashnerr hooked me up - and I'm reading through the A:R related threads now, taking notes on the thoughts you guys have expressed.
If you folk have anything specific you want the A:R team to hear - hit me up and I'll go through it with awk.
I've been a competitive gamer since the 90s - so I can roll with the bunches of punches :) It's just great to hear the thoughts you folk have to express. Whether it's picks and bans, 5v5, or anything else, to quote that woman with the scary arms "Express yourself".
Hey guys, (A:R) seven here checking in for the first time. Dashnerr hooked me up - and I'm reading through the A:R related threads now, taking notes on the thoughts you guys have expressed.
If you folk have anything specific you want the A:R team to hear - hit me up and I'll go through it with awk.
I've been a competitive gamer since the 90s - so I can roll with the bunches of punches :) It's just great to hear the thoughts you folk have to express. Whether it's picks and bans, 5v5, or anything else, to quote that woman with the scary arms "Express yourself".