syphB4nny fuck off with your accesibility bullshit. Gameplay shouldn't be sacrificed cause valve senpai might notice you. The goal isn't to have as many items as possible unbanned, it is to ban the objectively shit weapons for better gameplay.
I wish new players didn't have to be alienated from competitive tf2, but if pyro is broken, he should be banned. At least unban him mid-season if he gets fixed. But until then too bad valve is retarded.
i don't entirely agree with everything b4nny said, but the point isn't to get "noticed by valve," it's to try and start on the path towards competitive being a little bit more fluid with casual. i don't think we should unban broken weapons, and weapons that have been patched should be tested first (or just remain banned like the dragon's fury).
dunno how this purely "objective" post transitioned into banning a whole class; that sounds pretty subjective.
Doom1michael-ArguedOystermichael-no. no you can't. it's a stock weapon, a.k.a. the basis on what is and isn't overpowered.
If rockets did 300 damage, they would be overpowered. If it's significantly better than every other weapon in that category, it's overpowered. If the weapon elevates the class above every other, you can call it overpowered.
If Scattergun can't be overpowered, then Scout can't be overpowered.
but rockets don't do 300 damage? neither does the scattergun. the whole mechanic is risk/reward; if you aim your shots well, you do more damage (although not anywhere remotely close to 300). that's the point of a single shot mechanic. what is your point (especially with the 300 damage rockets "analogy")?
He is saying that scattergun is not the basis on which other scout weapons are decided to be overpowered or not. He is sayig the category in which a weapon is in decides that, which means that when you decide whether or not a weapon is overpowered you have to take into consideration all other weapons in it's category, not just the stock weapon. Which means a case that scattergun is overpowered could be made and argued for by some (they would argue other primary slot weapons and classes fall behind scout). He exaggurated 300 damage rockets and called them overpowered to illustrate a point that the weapon being stock doesn't make it balanced.
i get that to a degree; my main problem with that is the stock weapon is a stock weapon. the scattergun essentially represents what all other weapons are supposed to be a sidegrade to. i suppose i was wrong in saying this couldn't be argued though lol.
Raptor00XYou clearly stated that you don't think it's OP but it's different so it's supposed to be banned?
i think the main problem with it atm consists of two things: 1) the registration feels awful and inaccurate, and 2) that shit does tons of fucking damage. i feel like i'm getting obliterated constantly by it due to it's damage vs on fire enemies. not to mention, going back to the reg, it's not like landing direct pipes or something. it's way too easy and exploitable in it's current state.
don't get me wrong, though, i like pyro having a single shot option. it just needs tweaking.