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Need Men.

there is a serious problem with the open pugs. mostly in the fact that team balancing can be fucking horrible, I have had pugs where my combo scout is a new comp player and the other combo scout is an invite player. same thing can be said for demo/med, the med problem isn't as easy to solve since so few people add to the class.

here's a few egregious examples of this in action:
https://logs.tf/3684805 (p scout, demo and med diff also sniper is cringe please get a life.)
https://logs.tf/3684810 (demo, med diff)
https://logs.tf/3691366 (demo diff) https://logs.tf/3689479 (med diff)
https://logs.tf/3688725 (whole team diff HOW IS THIS BALANCED?)

I know these logs are kinda spread out and have different root causes but, some of these classes(especially p scout, demo and med) should have some sort of weighting to them in the picking so the other team doesn't get just completely rolled. to add onto this the whole favorability thing needs to be fixed, I should NOT lose elo from WINNING a pug. TY

https://streamable.com/k3s46j
https://clips.twitch.tv/HardInnocentManateeStoneLightning-AVkbPBToyGCmoQSo

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Hey guys add up.

Why not instead of gaining elo for losing, and losing elo for winning(how you explained it), when you win a pug that's say 5-4 when you were expected to win decisively, you gain less elo than if you would've won 5-0, and you lose less elo if you were supposed to get 5-0'd but ended up getting a closer score

An issue I've seen occur with the elo system a few times now is that sometimes winning a pug gives you 0 elo meanwhile the losing team has a range from +0.0 to +2.0ish.

A particularly egregious example of this happening is this pug:
https://logs.tf/3630701
https://i.imgur.com/N5VIhl5.png
My team had lost 4-5, but we all gained elo in the range of +2.8 to +7.4, meanwhile the winning team didn't gain or lose elo from it. Also it is not like this is a one off thing, I have other examples of it happening from just a few nights ago as well.

I understand that there's probably a lot of factors that go on within the elo calculations, but I don't think it's right for the losing team to gain elo and winning team to gain nothing. (plus that's generating elo out of thin air which probably isn't good)

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t6 demo grape gauntlet completed.
win.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2126412679

BUMP

hey man all im gonna say is, demo has loch, scout has wrap assassin, sniper exists
what does soldier get(that doesnt put him in direct line of danger but gives extreme reward)

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oh wait! its banned!

yo. took a season off but im back and tryna play invite again

I understand why this is, just sometimes very annoying as I've had some good post-pug conversations with people I normally do not talk to just for it to get cutoff mid conversation as the channel timer runs out.

highfive for ctapping

https://youtu.be/nkwR_yxD5jI

Hello Bro

i have nothing but good things to say about loafe, awesome gamer to game with