Thank you xattuu

For sure, it could be either Cog design as well or at least something close. It still puts the time frame way beyond Ancient shipmaking like the Romans, Greek, Etc. I have to feel that a large amount of ships can be constructed in this fashion in a short amount of time for transport only, and not for conbat.

I die a little more every time the pens win. I am not sure if I am emotionally stable enough to watch them lift another cup before the Flyers. Lets pick up the pace San Jose

Never heard of this type of person before.

There is literally never a good excuse or good reason to willingly play on a team with a known cheater......unless you simply don't give a fuck either way. If that is the case stop making excuses and just tell everyone you don't give a fuck. It would end this conversation quickly.

So because I am a warfare history buff I decided to take a much closer look at this ship conversation. After doing some research I think we are all in error, especially when talking about the types of ships being shown on TV and relating them to human history time periods. There is no way any of the ships in GoT are Persian, Roman, Greek or anything of that time period.

From the TV appearances, I see 2 distinct types of ships and they are both visible in this photo side by side. That photo is from the Backwater Battle at Kings Landing before the fire was ignited. As you can see, there is 1 larger ship that sits higher in the water on the right side. It is flanked by smaller ships on either side. You can also see construction of both ships is very different and for good reason. One ship is a Warship/Transport Vessel design (right) and the other is more of a Merchant Ship design for carrying cargo/troops (left).

The ship design makes another appearance when Price Oberyn from Dorme sails into Kings Landing. Here is his Ship

Yet another example of this design is Jon Snow’s fleet at the retreat from Hardhome. Ships Seen Here

The last example is the fleet we are talking about specifically. The Iron Fleet seen here. You can clearly see the same exact ship design on the 4 ships closest on the left but as you look further out, it is difficult to see exact designs and there may be smaller ships in that flotilla.

These ships in GoT are almost exact replicas of the Caravel or possibly Carrack type ships from our past.

This puts them in or around the 15th century. I have not seen any ships powered by oarsman on GoT so the ships used are not “Galleys” by definition. That I believe explains the larger Warship/Transport.

The Smaller ships are very similar to Knarr Vessels which are old Viking Merchant Ships. I do not believe it would be possible to “quickly build” 1000 of the Caravel ships but it may be very possible to simply build merchant transports of the Knarr type to ferry large amounts of cargo.

In the most recent episode, if you watch the director talk about what happens, he specifically mentions the Ironborn as being of Viking Inspiration. This makes perfect sense when you look at both types of ships being used. The Knarr and Caravel ships are built from Viking Shipbuilding techniques so it all does connect.

Can we also completely remove Freight from the rotation?

Group A

Columbia
USA

Group B

Brazil
Ecuador

Group C

Mexico
Uruguay

Group D

Argentina
Chile

During that battle the Ionian Rebels had their own ships. Perhaps some were made along that coast for the fleet but not the bulk of the battle fleet. You may need to consult a historical map but the "Persian Empire" of this time period used the Persian Gulf area to expand East, not West.

The Persians controlled all of the coastline from beyond Armenia (current day Georgia and Russia) down to Egypt at the top of Africa. If you look at the map you understand what an incredible amount of coastline that includes. Getting 1000 ships from that vast stretch of coastline was easily possible and they had over 1200 for the battle.

In either case, I doubt we will see any naval action on GoT. Without gunpowder, Naval engagements boiled down to positioning based on the wind and geography. Setting up ramming attacks on enemy ships and boarding parties to kill the enemy. Perhaps that could be enjoyable on GoT in some sense but I doubt it will happen.

One of the main reasons 1000 ships is kinda crazy when you compare to actual human history is size. From what I understand, the ironborn do not have incredibly large amounts of land under their control.

The Persian fleet you mention was full of ships ordered to that location from all over the empire and the Persian empire was incredibly vast. The same can be said about the Romans as they gained land and resources.

The Spanish Armada was full of huge ships that were more geared towards combat then anything else. It was and always will be faster and cheater to build ships that are just for carrying cargo/troops. I am not sure about Naval combat in GoT but there is no gunpowder for cannons so you can't really compare it to the era of the Spanish Armada. Probably the best comparison would be to Late Greek and Early Roman shipbuilding if they had advanced metalworking

Basically, if you just want to build transport vessels and have an entire population behind you, it is feasible to build a crazy amount of ships in a short time. 1000 ships is a little out of control but who knows.

Do you not follow the message board trolls on TFTV? I am the only racist here.

In all seriousness tho, anyones death at such a young age to heart conditions is never a good thing. Athletic drug use and whatever else he has done probably hastened his heart conditions in an attempt to keep fighting.

I've been an MMA follower since close to the beginning of the UFC and I was not happy when Kimbo would headline an event like he did in Strikeforce. During that time MMA, UFC in particular, was still trying to shed the image of "human cock fighting" as some have called it. Early UFC was surely close to barbaric mindless brawling but has since evolved into a true sport with real tactics, fighting styles and organization.

The fact is that Kimbo did more to hurt the image of MMA than he did to help it. His whole persona was based on his internet popularity around brawling. In the end, ticket / PPV sales would allow Kimbo to have a place in the UFC and in MMA but in reality, he was a mindless brawler with little stamina and little ground technique. Many of his fights were embarrassing to watch such as Kimbo vs Houston Alexander or more recently Kimbo vs DADA 5000. At best Kimbo was a knockout puncher who had few (if any) legit knockouts, he was far from a true MMA fighter.

All that said, I am not trying to piss on a mans grave or his legacy because I truly believe anyone who steps in the octagon or ring has courage and lots of fight so for that I have huge respect for the man. RIP Kimbo

The only part of Yara's plan that I wanted to see in the last episode was her "fucking the tits off" that chick she was with.

So it could be part of 1 big scheme to take out the sparrow and the Lannisters in 1 swoop. Sounds fun if if works out that way

So what did the Rose or Flower drawing mean? The one that the queen gave her grandmother all secret during their meeting.

So glad the hound returned, love his character