You're completely right about this, and i never said anything that goes against it in my posts. If you guys manage to make a site with a decent userbase, of course ill use it. I have nothing that attaches me to tf2center. I just said that i sincerely doubt that you'll succeed in creating a site that will rival tf2center. Such a project would require blood and sweat from those involved in it, as well as finances. There is also the time frame. No one knows what MM will look like if it comes out and if its going to be a replacement for the web based lobby system, so i doubt the community would invest their time and money in a project that might become obsolete once MM comes out. I didnt want to bring up this point in this thread because it's being covered in the other thread about the replacement website.

But if you guys manage to create a site that can and will rival center, my hats go off to you. All of them. The dozens of hats in my backpack. My post was never intended to be a shot directed at the community here on tftv or any other community. I mentioned in my original post that the scene simply wouldnt exist if not for the dedication of certain community members. I just wanted to give you the POV of an average player.

I even tried sending this thread to a few people on my friends list, to see their opinions on it. Most of them, people that have used center for a pretty long time, didnt even know about the drama which just proves my original point - the 99% arent involved enough to know whats going on.

A few dozen people on the forums arent 99% of the tftv userbase. (or are they? i honestly dont know how large the community on this website is, im not trying to be sarcastic, i genuinely dont know). Anyway as i said, thinking the admins are shitheads =/= never using the site.

Its dismissable compared to the 99%. Percentages are percentages. And the tf2c community is far from small compared to other tf2 communities. It's in the tens of thousands.

A very good point and something i intended to cover in the main post but forgot, because i typed it out without bothering to re-read it.
But yes i do believe that after all this crap there will still be people that would step in to fill the gap in center. There are two sides to every story, and im sure that MN still has some friends that would help and support him. If not, he can always bribe people with donation perks and shiny names or w/e if they apply for mod. The quality of the service would decline, but its still too giant of a site to die out over this.

If you only work with the dedicated 10% you still wont get a replacement for center. You'll most likely end up with something like tf2pickup except with a very low skill level

My bad. I only read 1.5 pages of it and went on to write this post.

8 page threads scare me.

The website has what, 20k registered users? Maybe more, i dont remember the exact number but its in the tens of thousands. Kkaltuu mentioned in his post that MN and Tereza has around a hundred bans each and the other admins had a few dozen. That means that they've banned 1% of the userbase. That leaves 99% that are satisfied with the service and havent had any run-ins with the staff.

I never claimed that there arent any isolated incidents of the staff being dicks. Every online community has those.

All im saying is, the majority is happy and will continue to use the site.

Not just that its worth it. They have to know it exists.

He isnt a dickhead to the average user. Ill say it again, ive used the site for a year and ive played 600 lobbies, ~400 of which have been hosted by me and ive never run into any issues with the staff.

I've been lurking on this site for quite a while but this is my first rant post so excuse any lack of eloquence.

Anyway, we're all up to speed with the TF2Center drama, and I keep seeing forum posts about boycotting the website or creating an alternative for it.

Let me tell you one thing. Simply put - no one gives a shit.

Do the recent events make MasterNoob seem like a cunt? Yes they do, if all the information is correct.
Does that mean ill stop using his well made well coded free website with a massive userbase? Lolno.

You guys are mad, and you have every right to be mad. Most of the users here are, and have been the backbone of the tf2 community. You are the people behind the curtains, organizing leagues, lans, tournaments, building and maintaining websites that the average competitive tf2 player uses on a daily basis and couldnt function without.

But we dont care. Speaking as an average, not-too-community-involved player, i dont care about the drama. Me and 99% of the tf2center userbase (at least those who know what happened - trust me there are many many who dont know) will just glance over the forum posts, say "lol mn is a twat" and load tf2center again.

For you guys, what he did was a personal slight. He slighted against one of your friends, or simply a person you can empathize with. You know what its like to spend years of your life developing and growing the scene, investing yourselves in it, and to you, the way that MN supposedly treated the deutchlan staff and his own staff is inexcusable. That's your thought process and you have every right to it.

But again, speaking as the average 6s player, i dont care. Is it unethical for me not to care? Of course it is. But what i see in tf2center is a free website i can use to do something that makes me happy. Ive played around 600 lobbies and i have no intention of stopping, even if MN goes out and shoots up a school. Let me use a dumbified example - would you stop drinking Pepsi because the CEO was involved in a prostitution ring? No you wouldnt.

Again, I sympathize with you, but I cannot empathize. I can see why you're angry from your perspective, but please have no delusions that you'll bring down center or make an alternative for it. You are the very small percent. The percent without which the scene wouldnt exist, but a very small percent regardless.

-With regards, the 99% of tf2.

I'm not sure if this is the right section for this post but yeah, as the title says, could you add Macedonia to the list of countries so I dont have to use a random flag?

I run a group for open/mid mixes. Maybe we could merge or you could take over my userbase since i dont really have the time to organize then anymore and other members seem to be too lazy to organize them themselves

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Autismomix