So kinda like 6s players shitting on highlander constantly?

That was actually very nice, good job!

but also http://www.teamfortress.tv/16542/segway-3-a-new-tf2-minimovie

I got a little excited when I saw the title and the amount of upvotes, "maybe this is an actual good idea?" I thought...

so, basically minor quality of life fixes +a bunch of community made cosmetics, can't really be considered a major update if you ask me

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232594442

I wanted to believe Valve knew what they were doing, but I don't think I can at this point. Would be nice if they at least gave a 1 sentence explanation behind this mess.

I must say I'm glad they prioritized Pyro update and comp mode over making a new silly halloween mode, bumper cart style.

Why does everyone keep saying that every format other than 6s has been tried and is known to be bad? Like I don't know how many formats have been tried, but surely not all of them. Dude put up actual money to test some ideas, how does this negatively affect anyone is beyond me.

Yes, other gaming communities are toxic as well (CS:GO, Dota, LoL), but it's a different kind of toxicity, it's mostly just people blaming other people when they're losing, here it's 6s players being toxic towards non-6s players. Someone who enjoys LoL has to put up with the toxicity or stop playing. Someone who enjoys TF2 doesn't have to put up with the toxicity of the 6s community and can just go back to pubs and that's what people will do and it prevents growth of the comp scene.

Also, all of the memes like "lol hl" or remove pyro or "lol spy/sniper/engineer mains", which are inherently mocking non-6s players, and the excuse is that it's just a joke, don't take it seriously? Well guess what, it doesn't matter if it's a joke or not, if an outsider sees a bunch of these memes, he's gonna perceive the community as toxic. Assuming that I have a problem with these because they personally upset me is kinda funny, because after all I agree that 6s is better, but it wasn't the memes that convinced me, it was me trying to play both formats (and I was initially turned off from 6s because it seemed like it was full of toxic elitists). Newbie mixes and such are nice, but they all need the player to actually be interested in the first place, and chances are a new player is going to stumble upon some toxic "meme" mocking his favorite pub class way before he finds newbie mixes, or even thinks of joining a team.

And I am not trying to say that Valve doesn't support comp tf2 because of the toxicity, they don't support comp tf2 because it doesn't generate enough viewers and pubbers don't care and this is due to multiple factors, but toxicity is one of them. And to be fair, the community seems to be putting in some effort to reduce the toxicity, but my main point still remains - if you think the toxicity is not there/isn't a problem, you are delusional.

Some people here are fucking delusional. A community doesn't have to be 100% toxic players, if there is a vocal enough toxic minority, the community is perceived as toxic. And looking at this whole thread several times mentioning how sigafoo is retarded and attacking him for saying he likes highlander and saying that the 6s community is toxic (which it IS), you are only proving how toxic this community is.

He basically agreed that there should be one competitive format and that it should be 6s, or some form of it. Even though he is a highlander player. And yes there is a stigma against 6s from pubbers and HL players, guess why. No, it's not because "HL players are unfairly toxic towards 6s" (LOL), it's because 6s players are toxic towards everyone else. Just look at every time HL is mentioned on this forum and there goes a "lol highlander" response with 50 +frags, every time some newbie posts a pub related video he gets told to go back to r/tf2.

The point is, what sigafoo said about how it's the community's fault for the scene not growing as much as it could is true and the overly defensive reactions in this thread only prove it imo. If you look at it from Valve's perspective, I wouldn't put money into comp tf2 at this stage either.

what's with the hate on papa franku, i like him :(

does there really need to be a new "tf2center sucks, why does nobody use tf2stadium?" thread every day?

Not the sideburns! :(

I like the idea of a weekly event trying populate tf2stadium. Although I must say I wished for the in-game matchmaking to replace these lobby websites, why Valve, why?