gatsani think people should try their absolute hardest to come up with a counter for pyro. if it makes the game even slower or just forces a super specific class composition some action should be taken about it, propose a nerf to valve or something idk
i do agree though pyro against uncoordinated teams in pugs/lobbies is mega aids (really fun if you're the pyro or the medic permakritzing the pyro (patented dunno bro strat (do not steal please))), i just dont have a stance on offclassing in pugs
like if i could have it my way i'd allow any amount of offclassing as long as you aren't throwing (basically if ur team is okay with it its good) but obviously loads of people despise the idea of offclassing esp. in lobbies/low level pugs where they aren't good enough to counter it
this thread has also got me thinking, whats the best way to counter a pyro anyways? pyro obviously becomes so much weaker as range increases but sometimes its hard to stop him closing that distance when hes armed with 260hp buff from 50% heal med and he can also reflect all your rockets assuming he has eyes
it seems like mega focus fire is the only way to counter him
not even pyro counters pyro it just ends up in really aids 1v1s where its a coin flip to see who wins
also i appreciate that olgha is trying something new and that its effective, the newest thing in the meta is cow mangler charge shots and banners, and imo although im perfectly fine with how tf2 is played today (could be a LITTLE more aggressive) i think having something interesting that makes people think about the game more deeply is better. adapting/countering to a refined strategy usually takes some skill
It does require mega focus fire to kill a pyro, which is a fairly difficult thing to achieve, especially when you consider that no one practices against this in scrims. If teams had to learn how to hold last only for pugs, and never had to do it in scrims, do you think lsat holds would be as strong? Teams haven't really had to deal with this new pyro, even though it can be incredibly powerful. Until pyro gets tried in matches/scrims on a more consistent basis, most players won't really know how to deal with it, as no one really wants to learn how to do that during a pug.