We will start try-outs probably around Feb 10th

Powah vs Tictack*

The dream is dead. GG

Meat Market is looking for new people to join the team, including backups. We plan to stay together as long as possible and prefer to play aggressively. We are looking into getting new players that will play for the long haul. We take improvement very seriously. We scrim/demo review very often.
If you are not playing after S16, or you plan on a new team. Do not apply.
General requirements: Desire to improve. Dedication. Open to criticism. Pay league fees.
Requirements for backup: beat yeeegz in mge. EDIT: nvm we will end up with 600 back ups

We are mainly looking for roamers and meds

Roamer: ???
Requirements: Strong dm. Coordination. No baiting. No constant bombing.

Medic: ???
Requirements: Heal scouts. Willing to demo review(playing medic for our teams playstyle is much more punishing to bad position and healing wrong targets). Call the team's health on transition fights.

S15: 16-0 Open 3rd Place
We almost never use snipers/engineers. We will forward hold and attempt to execute other high coordination plays.

We play sunday-thurs---(2-3 scrims, 3-4 nights a week) Team is mostly central/west coast.

We are playing ESEA and Cevo(this is subject to change).

We also like to play dayz,csgo,hearthstone,and quake.

Add me to talk about try-outs or if you have any questions about the team.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/broKing/

Tidy and shocka have biceps

http://i.imgur.com/F9cAyQX.jpg

Most people I have talked to will play where the competition is. If a lot of strong competition signs up for CEVO, my team will play in CEVO. Otherwise, we will stay in ESEA. I think it is as simple as that for most teams. I guess no one wants to commit to CEVO first because if it doesn't work out they basically sit out a season of good games?

Better stats, the current logs.tf with accurate healspread is really nice. I think that's an easy way to improve the league.

Strong scout, nice guy, terrible csgo player

Please do not derail this thread. The teams in the video slin made are irrelevant to the discussion.

On the topic of banning classes, I would like some thoughts/reasons from experienced players as to why keeping heavy and engineer in the game makes it more fun or more enjoyable.

Because turtling without heavy/engi (if they were banned)is difficult and a competent team will take your last in the first few attempts, unless you outplay them. I think shot-clock and offclass bans reward a team for aggression instead of rewarding a team for having a sentry. Taking back second point resets the timer and you are still at risk of losing the round, but turtling without sentries and heavies put you at an even greater risk of losing the round imo.

That's why if a shotclock was implemented heavy and engineer would have to be banned to prevent turtling. Engineer is entirely defense based and shouldn't be in 6s. Engineer doesnt "add dynamic" as most people would argue, i think it slows the game and its a crutch. Why not plop down a level 3 in stalemate at your last to force the other team to waste resources to destroy then you swap back to scout/soldier immediately. It takes no skill or practice to accomplish wasting the other teams resources because of offclassing(engineer specifically) The part of the game I dislike most is pushing gully/metal last against a team with 3 offclasses that are completely relying on you to wipe in a push to even have a chance of pushing out, and if shotclock and class bans were implemented that would never happen. I think if heavy/engi were banned pushing last on maps notorious for easily defended last points(gully/metalworks) would be more exciting and involve more actual "strategy" than sitting around.

Strong dm high open/im easily

nice guy, good player, fun to be around

Strong dm
Nice guy