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ban the lochnload next szn
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#61
-9 Frags +
Likokonenowah

I realized this after I made that post but I don't think sourcemod weapon changes are a good idea anymore. While I do think that lowering sniper's fire-rate, removing wrap assassin headshots, changing damage ramp-up (medics arrows) and adding pipe falloff would make the competitive game better, changes to classes/weapons for 6s will only further the gap between competitive play and casual. Additionally, it could becomes a slippery slope for unbanning inherently unfun weapons or result in valve definitively stops balancing for 6s.

[quote=Likokone][quote=nowah][/quote] [/quote]
I realized this after I made that post but I don't think sourcemod weapon changes are a good idea anymore. While I do think that lowering sniper's fire-rate, removing wrap assassin headshots, changing damage ramp-up (medics arrows) and adding pipe falloff would make the competitive game better, changes to classes/weapons for 6s will only further the gap between competitive play and casual. Additionally, it could becomes a slippery slope for unbanning inherently unfun weapons or result in valve definitively stops balancing for 6s.
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#62
31 Frags +

valve hasnt made any balance changes in 6 years lol im sure the scene will be fine

valve hasnt made any balance changes in 6 years lol im sure the scene will be fine
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#63
-2 Frags +
nowah

I hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed. This talking point now exists in this weird limbo where people are pretending that Valve wanna see the game be competitive anymore. Everything we thought was coming didn't come and now we are again left in the dark. Fuck it. Make a pro-mod, it'll probably be more effective in garnering support and people to play then valve could do at this point.

And in the future if they do decide to come back we will have something to point at and go "LIKE THAT" and hopefully they won't fuck it up like they did the first couple times.

[quote=nowah][/quote]
I hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed. This talking point now exists in this weird limbo where people are pretending that Valve wanna see the game be competitive anymore. Everything we thought was coming didn't come and now we are again left in the dark. Fuck it. Make a pro-mod, it'll probably be more effective in garnering support and people to play then valve could do at this point.

And in the future if they do decide to come back we will have something to point at and go "LIKE THAT" and hopefully they won't fuck it up like they did the first couple times.
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#64
-11 Frags +
nowahI realized this after I made that post but I don't think sourcemod weapon changes are a good idea anymore

I hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed. This talking point now exists in this weird limbo where people are pretending that Valve wanna see the game be competitive anymore. Everything we thought was coming didn't come and now we are again left in the dark. Fuck it. Make a pro-mod, it'll probably be more effective in garnering support and people to play then valve could do at this point.

And in the future if they do decide to come back we will have something to point at and go "LIKE THAT" and hopefully they won't fuck it up like they did the first couple times.

[quote=nowah]I realized this after I made that post but I don't think sourcemod weapon changes are a good idea anymore[/quote]

I hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed. This talking point now exists in this weird limbo where people are pretending that Valve wanna see the game be competitive anymore. Everything we thought was coming didn't come and now we are again left in the dark. Fuck it. Make a pro-mod, it'll probably be more effective in garnering support and people to play then valve could do at this point.

And in the future if they do decide to come back we will have something to point at and go "LIKE THAT" and hopefully they won't fuck it up like they did the first couple times.
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#65
-16 Frags +

Ȋ̸̠ ̵̙́h̴͓́a̴͚͆t̶̙͊ẽ̷̖ ̴̨͛s̴͖̈́ę̸̌e̴̦͌í̷̜n̴̹͆g̸̮͊ ̶̖̾t̵̥̀h̷͔̽i̸͎̋s̶̬̋ ̸̗̅ȁ̷̤r̴͔͌g̷͖̓ǔ̷͕m̸̟̈́e̸͔͌n̶̖̈́t̴̳̊ ̷̪͘b̷̜̄e̸̻͝č̷͎a̵̮̍u̵̬͆s̷̠͆e̵͚͑ ̵̩̃i̴̧̋ṯ̸̾ ̸̢́i̴̖̅m̵̘̾p̴͓͂l̸͓͛î̷͍ë̶̟́s̸̞͠ ̸̮̂w̴̘̔ë̶͓́ ̵̬̚a̸̱͋r̷̤͐é̶̥ ̴̪̒s̵̭̅t̷̜͊i̴͚̓ļ̷͘l̵̹̈́ ̶̪̍s̶̖͝ò̷͙m̵̛̜ḙ̵͘h̶͔̓o̸̫͋ẅ̸͓́ ̸̲͌i̵̼͐n̷̳̒ ̸̳̑a̵͇͆ǹ̴̩ ̶̻͗e̷̽ͅr̴̺̉ä̸̲́ ̴̪͋w̵̢͛ẖ̸̅e̵͕͌r̷̥͆ė̸̱ ̶̈́͜ẗ̶̬h̴͇͐e̷̬̅ ̶̰͑l̸̲̎a̷̫̍ȓ̵̲g̷̱̈́ȩ̸͐ṟ̴̎ ̵̢̀p̵̩͊a̸͕̾ŕ̴̫t̶̾ͅ ̵̥̆ö̴̘́f̸̦̕ ̴̟̌v̶̙͝a̴̧͂ļ̷̋v̵͙͆e̴̙͌ ̴̛̺ä̴̼́s̵̰̊ ̸̭͝a̷̺̿ ̵̝̂c̸̻̏ô̶̗m̸̝͠p̸͇͋ă̴͇ṇ̶̒y̷͉̕ ̸̢̈ẅ̸͇a̵̲̕n̴̼͌t̷̘̄s̸̮͂ ̸̟͝t̸͇͂o̴͐͜ ̸̙̌s̸̥͘u̵̝̒p̵͚̌p̸̢̀ő̷ͅr̷̪̈t̸̥̄ ̵͖̂c̴̑͜o̷̩͋m̸̤̋p̸͉̈́e̵͙͘t̵̤͐i̷̛͕t̸͔̎i̸̤̕v̸̡̓e̷̥͑ ̶͙͊t̷͎̄f̴̟͘2̸̙͊.̷̢̇ ̴̮̃I̶̮̎ẗ̸͉́ ̶̘̒t̸̠̐r̷̹̿i̸̢̅ĕ̶̟d̴͍̊,̴̧̈́ ̵̥̋a̷͈͝ň̶͜ď̷̜ ̷̧̆î̷̟t̵͔̎ ̵̟͋f̵̝́ä̴͈́i̷̼͝l̶̰̀e̷̟̐d̸̟͘.̵̦̈́ ̷̛̫T̴̩̔h̶̝͗ḭ̸̑s̶͚͝ ̶̤̈́t̷͙͗a̶̪͗l̷̤͊ǩ̴͙i̷̗̓n̵̙͛ġ̷͍ ̶̪̎p̶͕̂ó̴̙i̶̱̒ń̷̮ṱ̷̄ ̴̺̆n̸̢̈́o̴̐ͅw̴̫̃ ̶̣̋ě̵̙ẍ̴̬i̵̛̬s̷͔̿t̴̪̽ṣ̸̿ ̷̥͆i̵͓͗n̵͎̔ ̴̠͐t̷͖̋h̵̯͐ì̴̜s̶͎̊ ̷͕͑ẅ̵̥́e̷͕͠ȉ̴̘r̵̘̎d̸̡̓ ̷͈̚l̴̥͌í̸͚m̴̧̽b̸͇̕o̵͔͐ ̸̯̈w̶͔̎h̵͔̐e̷̦͘r̸̠̊e̷̯̔ ̶̠͛p̶͎̀e̴͇͝o̶͚͝p̶̘̂ļ̶̈́e̷͉̔ ̵̮̾à̸̯ȓ̶̮é̵̲ ̷̹̐p̵̫̀r̵̼̍e̶͔̕t̵̳͆ẽ̶̻n̴͎̈d̷̳͌į̷̊n̴̢̿g̷̼͌ ̵͚̂t̸̯̃ḣ̶̼å̵͕t̷̫̓ ̴̼̕V̷̘͂ȃ̴͍l̵̳̚v̴͚͑ẻ̸͖ ̸͍̉ẘ̴̡a̶̰̾n̵̞͂ṉ̶̐a̸̲͠ ̴̥́s̸̺̐ë̶͉e̴̠̋ ̶͖̅t̸͙́h̷̤̑ȅ̷͖ ̴͉͛g̴̞͋a̵̹͊m̸͔̊ẻ̸͓ ̵̨̐b̶̜̎e̶̦̚ ̷͖̂c̸̰͆o̴͋͜m̴̘͑p̴̩̑e̴͇̚t̶͚͝i̵̱͆ẗ̴͇́i̶̛̲v̸̝̚e̶͔̎ ̵͍͗a̸͎͑n̴̚͜y̵̻̑m̶̬͋o̷̱̿r̷̝͊ȇ̶̠.̶͍͐ ̷͆͜E̶͙͌v̷̤́e̷̱͘r̵̗̐y̷̞͊t̴͉̊h̷̪̀i̵̛̻n̸̙̐g̵̤͆ ̷͍͝ẉ̴̆e̵̩͘ ̴͖̋t̶̘͑h̷̍ͅo̷͕̾u̴̪͛g̵͊ͅh̶͔̿t̴͙̃ ̶̩̈́w̶͖̽a̸̮͒s̵̡̾ ̴̪̃c̸͍̚ö̸̮́m̶͓̌ĭ̷͈n̶͔͆g̶͈̀ ̵͉͐d̶͇͆i̷̎͜d̸͈̏ṋ̶̈́'̷̞̎t̶͈̿ ̸̛̯c̴̃ͅo̴̡̾m̸̫͌ḛ̸͂ ̵̙̀ä̵̢́n̶̹̉d̴̮̈́ ̶̝̂ň̷̠ô̷̤w̶̤͑ ̶̞̈́w̸̤͛ĕ̵͓ ̵͍́a̴͖͆ŕ̶ͅe̵̡̔ ̶̋͜a̵̩̽g̵͈̒ã̵̜î̵̧n̷̝̈ ̵̦̓ḻ̵̌ḙ̶̍f̷͉̃t̵̞̋ ̴͉̉i̸̅ͅn̶̢̕ ̷͎̃ţ̵̅h̵̲̆e̶̳̋ ̵͎̋d̸̞̋à̵͙r̵̀͜ǩ̷̜.̴̬͝ ̶̯̂F̵͔̒ù̵̫c̷̥̄k̶̮̊ ̶̟̈́ḭ̴̈́t̶͙̿.̵͕͌ ̴̨̔M̵̬̋a̸̹͝k̴͕̇e̵͉͛ ̸̘́à̶̦ ̵̣͆p̷͉͋ŕ̸̹o̴̳͌-̷͎͘m̴͈̀ỏ̷̳d̶̯͆,̴͍̈ ̸̝̈ĩ̵͕t̷̻͌'̵̘́l̶̙̑l̵͔̂ ̷̖̏p̸̡̌r̵̼̅ǒ̴̙ḃ̶̖ä̴͉́b̸̳̌l̶̺̆y̷̚ͅ ̵̗͝b̷͊ͅe̸͓̽ ̵͖̓m̸͈̆ọ̴́r̴̰͐ẹ̴͒ ̶͍̅e̴̘̅f̸͍͘f̷̲̃ḙ̷͛c̴̭̀t̸̯̏i̷͓̔v̶͖̽e̶̙̓ ̵̩͘i̴̦͆ṉ̶̕ ̴̧̈g̸̩͆a̶̝͐r̷̫̋n̴̙̉e̷͓͋r̵̳̈i̸̫͝ń̷̘g̵̣̒ ̷̉͜s̴̼̿u̵̻̓p̴̳̐p̶̳̑o̵̩͛r̵̘͐t̸̲͗ ̶͉̓a̸̟͌n̷̝͒d̸̝̽ ̵͍̚p̵̳͋e̸̟͆o̷͔̐p̴̹̔l̶̝͘è̶̳ ̷̢̂t̷͎̉ȍ̸͓ ̶̗͊p̶̝̎l̷̮̑a̸͉̓y̷͔͌ ̸̲̑ẗ̷̰́h̸̗̔e̸̻͑n̸̘̊ ̴̹͒v̵̬͒a̵̫͋l̷͍̒v̶̤͒e̶̟͘ ̸͉͑c̵̺̑õ̴̙ų̸͑l̶̞͑d̸̚ͅ ̷̧̅d̵̡̔o̸̤̐ ̶͎̽ȃ̶̢t̶̻͌ ̷͕́t̵̪̏h̵̻̅i̵̳̿s̶̩̈́ ̸͇̾p̷̥͝o̷͉̅ï̷̲n̴̞͐t̴̯̅.̷̫̅
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̷̰̊A̷͉̎ṇ̸̈d̵̰͊ ̷̭͠i̸̦͆n̴̲͘ ̵̭̏t̶͉̅h̸̄͜e̷̩͊ ̵͓͘f̸͙̏u̸̙̾t̵̿͜ư̷̮r̷͖͑ȇ̶̹ ̷̳̐i̸͔̅f̷̩̂ ̶͍̈́ţ̷́h̴̯̏e̵͍͛y̵͚͠ ̵̩̃d̵͔̾o̸̯͗ ̴͙̿d̵͈̏ȇ̶͇c̷͚̐i̶̳̅d̸̈́ͅe̶͖͂ ̶̣̓t̷̹͠o̵̳͐ ̵͙̄c̶̮̃ő̴͓m̵̨̾e̷͔̎ ̵͖̇b̴̘͝a̷̪̓c̸̠͐k̵̝͠ ̷͈̂ẅ̵͍́e̵̖̋ ̴͐ͅw̷͗͜i̵͔͌l̷͍͠l̸̢̓ ̷̣̋h̷̭͋a̵̘̒v̷̖͋e̷̹͠ ̶̹̔s̷͙̊o̴̬̔m̵̢̾ḛ̴̇ẗ̴ͅh̵̭̾i̵͝ͅn̶̺̉g̸̼͒ ̶̼̈t̸̪̍ö̵̤́ ̷͖͛p̶͉͝o̵̢̽i̴̬͒n̵̼͋t̸͖͝ ̴̰̂ạ̵̈́t̶̮̑ ̶̖̚a̶̲̍n̵͔̅d̵̳̓ ̵̺͋g̵̹͂o̷̺͘ ̴̟͝"̴̫̄L̸̅͜I̶͚͠K̴̯̚E̶̮͑ ̶͇͐T̵͓́Ḧ̴̠́Ā̸̭Ț̵̋"̶̨̀ ̸̖͌a̵̟̐n̷̦͂ḓ̷̉ ̴̹͂h̷̩͌o̴̮͊ṗ̷̟è̵̢f̴̲̿u̵̺̍l̶̦͒ḷ̸̈́y̴̙̕ ̶̹̄t̶̞͂h̴̟̉e̸̦͝y̵̤̎ ̵̳͌w̴͍̿o̶͔̒ṅ̷̖'̴̦̄t̶̤̀ ̶̓͜f̵̬̓u̵̗͛ć̶̯k̸̩̾ ̷̯͠ï̸ͅt̷̤̅ ̸͜͝u̵̲̚ṕ̸̨ ̵͔̚l̷͖̽i̴̮͝k̶̞͌e̶̮̽ ̸̝͛t̶͉͑h̸̳͊e̵͚͂y̷͇̕ ̶͖͛d̵̙̍i̴̳̾d̷̛̬ ̷̝̎t̶̜̂h̶̘̃e̴̩͊ ̵͓̍f̷̩̊i̸̥͑r̸̫̾ṡ̷̜t̵͕̚ ̵̘͂c̴̣͊ọ̵̈́u̷̓ͅp̴̜̓l̴͑͜e̷̫̐ ̴͈̀ṱ̴̅ĭ̴̭m̵̦̀ë̵̤s̵̟̏.̴̗̀

Ȋ̸̠ ̵̙́h̴͓́a̴͚͆t̶̙͊ẽ̷̖ ̴̨͛s̴͖̈́ę̸̌e̴̦͌í̷̜n̴̹͆g̸̮͊ ̶̖̾t̵̥̀h̷͔̽i̸͎̋s̶̬̋ ̸̗̅ȁ̷̤r̴͔͌g̷͖̓ǔ̷͕m̸̟̈́e̸͔͌n̶̖̈́t̴̳̊ ̷̪͘b̷̜̄e̸̻͝č̷͎a̵̮̍u̵̬͆s̷̠͆e̵͚͑ ̵̩̃i̴̧̋ṯ̸̾ ̸̢́i̴̖̅m̵̘̾p̴͓͂l̸͓͛î̷͍ë̶̟́s̸̞͠ ̸̮̂w̴̘̔ë̶͓́ ̵̬̚a̸̱͋r̷̤͐é̶̥ ̴̪̒s̵̭̅t̷̜͊i̴͚̓ļ̷͘l̵̹̈́ ̶̪̍s̶̖͝ò̷͙m̵̛̜ḙ̵͘h̶͔̓o̸̫͋ẅ̸͓́ ̸̲͌i̵̼͐n̷̳̒ ̸̳̑a̵͇͆ǹ̴̩ ̶̻͗e̷̽ͅr̴̺̉ä̸̲́ ̴̪͋w̵̢͛ẖ̸̅e̵͕͌r̷̥͆ė̸̱ ̶̈́͜ẗ̶̬h̴͇͐e̷̬̅ ̶̰͑l̸̲̎a̷̫̍ȓ̵̲g̷̱̈́ȩ̸͐ṟ̴̎ ̵̢̀p̵̩͊a̸͕̾ŕ̴̫t̶̾ͅ ̵̥̆ö̴̘́f̸̦̕ ̴̟̌v̶̙͝a̴̧͂ļ̷̋v̵͙͆e̴̙͌ ̴̛̺ä̴̼́s̵̰̊ ̸̭͝a̷̺̿ ̵̝̂c̸̻̏ô̶̗m̸̝͠p̸͇͋ă̴͇ṇ̶̒y̷͉̕ ̸̢̈ẅ̸͇a̵̲̕n̴̼͌t̷̘̄s̸̮͂ ̸̟͝t̸͇͂o̴͐͜ ̸̙̌s̸̥͘u̵̝̒p̵͚̌p̸̢̀ő̷ͅr̷̪̈t̸̥̄ ̵͖̂c̴̑͜o̷̩͋m̸̤̋p̸͉̈́e̵͙͘t̵̤͐i̷̛͕t̸͔̎i̸̤̕v̸̡̓e̷̥͑ ̶͙͊t̷͎̄f̴̟͘2̸̙͊.̷̢̇ ̴̮̃I̶̮̎ẗ̸͉́ ̶̘̒t̸̠̐r̷̹̿i̸̢̅ĕ̶̟d̴͍̊,̴̧̈́ ̵̥̋a̷͈͝ň̶͜ď̷̜ ̷̧̆î̷̟t̵͔̎ ̵̟͋f̵̝́ä̴͈́i̷̼͝l̶̰̀e̷̟̐d̸̟͘.̵̦̈́ ̷̛̫T̴̩̔h̶̝͗ḭ̸̑s̶͚͝ ̶̤̈́t̷͙͗a̶̪͗l̷̤͊ǩ̴͙i̷̗̓n̵̙͛ġ̷͍ ̶̪̎p̶͕̂ó̴̙i̶̱̒ń̷̮ṱ̷̄ ̴̺̆n̸̢̈́o̴̐ͅw̴̫̃ ̶̣̋ě̵̙ẍ̴̬i̵̛̬s̷͔̿t̴̪̽ṣ̸̿ ̷̥͆i̵͓͗n̵͎̔ ̴̠͐t̷͖̋h̵̯͐ì̴̜s̶͎̊ ̷͕͑ẅ̵̥́e̷͕͠ȉ̴̘r̵̘̎d̸̡̓ ̷͈̚l̴̥͌í̸͚m̴̧̽b̸͇̕o̵͔͐ ̸̯̈w̶͔̎h̵͔̐e̷̦͘r̸̠̊e̷̯̔ ̶̠͛p̶͎̀e̴͇͝o̶͚͝p̶̘̂ļ̶̈́e̷͉̔ ̵̮̾à̸̯ȓ̶̮é̵̲ ̷̹̐p̵̫̀r̵̼̍e̶͔̕t̵̳͆ẽ̶̻n̴͎̈d̷̳͌į̷̊n̴̢̿g̷̼͌ ̵͚̂t̸̯̃ḣ̶̼å̵͕t̷̫̓ ̴̼̕V̷̘͂ȃ̴͍l̵̳̚v̴͚͑ẻ̸͖ ̸͍̉ẘ̴̡a̶̰̾n̵̞͂ṉ̶̐a̸̲͠ ̴̥́s̸̺̐ë̶͉e̴̠̋ ̶͖̅t̸͙́h̷̤̑ȅ̷͖ ̴͉͛g̴̞͋a̵̹͊m̸͔̊ẻ̸͓ ̵̨̐b̶̜̎e̶̦̚ ̷͖̂c̸̰͆o̴͋͜m̴̘͑p̴̩̑e̴͇̚t̶͚͝i̵̱͆ẗ̴͇́i̶̛̲v̸̝̚e̶͔̎ ̵͍͗a̸͎͑n̴̚͜y̵̻̑m̶̬͋o̷̱̿r̷̝͊ȇ̶̠.̶͍͐ ̷͆͜E̶͙͌v̷̤́e̷̱͘r̵̗̐y̷̞͊t̴͉̊h̷̪̀i̵̛̻n̸̙̐g̵̤͆ ̷͍͝ẉ̴̆e̵̩͘ ̴͖̋t̶̘͑h̷̍ͅo̷͕̾u̴̪͛g̵͊ͅh̶͔̿t̴͙̃ ̶̩̈́w̶͖̽a̸̮͒s̵̡̾ ̴̪̃c̸͍̚ö̸̮́m̶͓̌ĭ̷͈n̶͔͆g̶͈̀ ̵͉͐d̶͇͆i̷̎͜d̸͈̏ṋ̶̈́'̷̞̎t̶͈̿ ̸̛̯c̴̃ͅo̴̡̾m̸̫͌ḛ̸͂ ̵̙̀ä̵̢́n̶̹̉d̴̮̈́ ̶̝̂ň̷̠ô̷̤w̶̤͑ ̶̞̈́w̸̤͛ĕ̵͓ ̵͍́a̴͖͆ŕ̶ͅe̵̡̔ ̶̋͜a̵̩̽g̵͈̒ã̵̜î̵̧n̷̝̈ ̵̦̓ḻ̵̌ḙ̶̍f̷͉̃t̵̞̋ ̴͉̉i̸̅ͅn̶̢̕ ̷͎̃ţ̵̅h̵̲̆e̶̳̋ ̵͎̋d̸̞̋à̵͙r̵̀͜ǩ̷̜.̴̬͝ ̶̯̂F̵͔̒ù̵̫c̷̥̄k̶̮̊ ̶̟̈́ḭ̴̈́t̶͙̿.̵͕͌ ̴̨̔M̵̬̋a̸̹͝k̴͕̇e̵͉͛ ̸̘́à̶̦ ̵̣͆p̷͉͋ŕ̸̹o̴̳͌-̷͎͘m̴͈̀ỏ̷̳d̶̯͆,̴͍̈ ̸̝̈ĩ̵͕t̷̻͌'̵̘́l̶̙̑l̵͔̂ ̷̖̏p̸̡̌r̵̼̅ǒ̴̙ḃ̶̖ä̴͉́b̸̳̌l̶̺̆y̷̚ͅ ̵̗͝b̷͊ͅe̸͓̽ ̵͖̓m̸͈̆ọ̴́r̴̰͐ẹ̴͒ ̶͍̅e̴̘̅f̸͍͘f̷̲̃ḙ̷͛c̴̭̀t̸̯̏i̷͓̔v̶͖̽e̶̙̓ ̵̩͘i̴̦͆ṉ̶̕ ̴̧̈g̸̩͆a̶̝͐r̷̫̋n̴̙̉e̷͓͋r̵̳̈i̸̫͝ń̷̘g̵̣̒ ̷̉͜s̴̼̿u̵̻̓p̴̳̐p̶̳̑o̵̩͛r̵̘͐t̸̲͗ ̶͉̓a̸̟͌n̷̝͒d̸̝̽ ̵͍̚p̵̳͋e̸̟͆o̷͔̐p̴̹̔l̶̝͘è̶̳ ̷̢̂t̷͎̉ȍ̸͓ ̶̗͊p̶̝̎l̷̮̑a̸͉̓y̷͔͌ ̸̲̑ẗ̷̰́h̸̗̔e̸̻͑n̸̘̊ ̴̹͒v̵̬͒a̵̫͋l̷͍̒v̶̤͒e̶̟͘ ̸͉͑c̵̺̑õ̴̙ų̸͑l̶̞͑d̸̚ͅ ̷̧̅d̵̡̔o̸̤̐ ̶͎̽ȃ̶̢t̶̻͌ ̷͕́t̵̪̏h̵̻̅i̵̳̿s̶̩̈́ ̸͇̾p̷̥͝o̷͉̅ï̷̲n̴̞͐t̴̯̅.̷̫̅
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̷̰̊A̷͉̎ṇ̸̈d̵̰͊ ̷̭͠i̸̦͆n̴̲͘ ̵̭̏t̶͉̅h̸̄͜e̷̩͊ ̵͓͘f̸͙̏u̸̙̾t̵̿͜ư̷̮r̷͖͑ȇ̶̹ ̷̳̐i̸͔̅f̷̩̂ ̶͍̈́ţ̷́h̴̯̏e̵͍͛y̵͚͠ ̵̩̃d̵͔̾o̸̯͗ ̴͙̿d̵͈̏ȇ̶͇c̷͚̐i̶̳̅d̸̈́ͅe̶͖͂ ̶̣̓t̷̹͠o̵̳͐ ̵͙̄c̶̮̃ő̴͓m̵̨̾e̷͔̎ ̵͖̇b̴̘͝a̷̪̓c̸̠͐k̵̝͠ ̷͈̂ẅ̵͍́e̵̖̋ ̴͐ͅw̷͗͜i̵͔͌l̷͍͠l̸̢̓ ̷̣̋h̷̭͋a̵̘̒v̷̖͋e̷̹͠ ̶̹̔s̷͙̊o̴̬̔m̵̢̾ḛ̴̇ẗ̴ͅh̵̭̾i̵͝ͅn̶̺̉g̸̼͒ ̶̼̈t̸̪̍ö̵̤́ ̷͖͛p̶͉͝o̵̢̽i̴̬͒n̵̼͋t̸͖͝ ̴̰̂ạ̵̈́t̶̮̑ ̶̖̚a̶̲̍n̵͔̅d̵̳̓ ̵̺͋g̵̹͂o̷̺͘ ̴̟͝"̴̫̄L̸̅͜I̶͚͠K̴̯̚E̶̮͑ ̶͇͐T̵͓́Ḧ̴̠́Ā̸̭Ț̵̋"̶̨̀ ̸̖͌a̵̟̐n̷̦͂ḓ̷̉ ̴̹͂h̷̩͌o̴̮͊ṗ̷̟è̵̢f̴̲̿u̵̺̍l̶̦͒ḷ̸̈́y̴̙̕ ̶̹̄t̶̞͂h̴̟̉e̸̦͝y̵̤̎ ̵̳͌w̴͍̿o̶͔̒ṅ̷̖'̴̦̄t̶̤̀ ̶̓͜f̵̬̓u̵̗͛ć̶̯k̸̩̾ ̷̯͠ï̸ͅt̷̤̅ ̸͜͝u̵̲̚ṕ̸̨ ̵͔̚l̷͖̽i̴̮͝k̶̞͌e̶̮̽ ̸̝͛t̶͉͑h̸̳͊e̵͚͂y̷͇̕ ̶͖͛d̵̙̍i̴̳̾d̷̛̬ ̷̝̎t̶̜̂h̶̘̃e̴̩͊ ̵͓̍f̷̩̊i̸̥͑r̸̫̾ṡ̷̜t̵͕̚ ̵̘͂c̴̣͊ọ̵̈́u̷̓ͅp̴̜̓l̴͑͜e̷̫̐ ̴͈̀ṱ̴̅ĭ̴̭m̵̦̀ë̵̤s̵̟̏.̴̗̀
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#66
11 Frags +
diemosI hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed.

its actually the exact opposite and the game never getting balanced again makes a community promod argument a bit stronger

[quote=diemos]
I hate seeing this argument because it implies we are still somehow in an era where the larger part of valve as a company wants to support competitive tf2. It tried, and it failed. [/quote]
its actually the exact opposite and the game never getting balanced again makes a community promod argument a bit stronger
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#67
21 Frags +

it only makes it stronger if u think we are in a bad place rn. the only things that are in a bad place(s) are unlocks, most of which r built on donkey shit foundation and dont add anything, its far better and easier to just ban them than to rebalance them

it only makes it stronger if u think we are in a bad place rn. the only things that are in a bad place(s) are unlocks, most of which r built on donkey shit foundation and dont add anything, its far better and easier to just ban them than to rebalance them
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#68
3 Frags +
cookiehttps://strawpoll.com/eJnvvbKN4nv

So far it's a pretty split opinion:

https://i.imgur.com/xTGZsTI.png

[quote=cookie]https://strawpoll.com/eJnvvbKN4nv[/quote]
So far it's a pretty split opinion:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/xTGZsTI.png[/img]
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#69
0 Frags +

Dang it really happened

Dang it really happened
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#70
-9 Frags +
dingoscout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other

(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)

[quote=dingo]scout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other[/quote]
(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)
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#71
-1 Frags +

idk how sourcemod stuff works, if someone made a balance mod could i just join a scrim server on a fresh install and shit would work better than in default tf2? if so why arent we doing anything with that?

idk how sourcemod stuff works, if someone made a balance mod could i just join a scrim server on a fresh install and shit would work better than in default tf2? if so why arent we doing anything with that?
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#72
-6 Frags +
aaairtimedingoscout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)

let me know when scout gets the stickybomb launcher

[quote=aaairtime][quote=dingo]scout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other[/quote]
(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)[/quote]

let me know when scout gets the stickybomb launcher
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#73
-13 Frags +
sleepysocksaaairtimedingoscout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)
let me know when scout gets the stickybomb launcher

lmk when demo can transport the med at all times, deny bombs consistently, clear traps, win fights on 10% hp, cap 2x as fast, build uber while remaining mobile, and get 35 kills a game

[quote=sleepysocks][quote=aaairtime][quote=dingo]scout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other[/quote]
(despite scout being a better class than both of them with all their unlocks)[/quote]

let me know when scout gets the stickybomb launcher[/quote]
lmk when demo can transport the med at all times, deny bombs consistently, clear traps, win fights on 10% hp, cap 2x as fast, build uber while remaining mobile, and get 35 kills a game
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#74
80 Frags +
aaairtimelmk when demo can transport the med at all times,

quickfix

deny bombs consistently,

skill issue

clear traps

quickiebombs, scottish resistance

win fights on 10% hp

skill issue

cap 2x as fast

Pain train

build uber while remaining mobile,

Pipes, Half-Zatoichi

get 35 kills a game

skill issue

[quote=aaairtime]
lmk when demo can transport the med at all times, [/quote]
quickfix

[quote] deny bombs consistently, [/quote]
skill issue
[quote] clear traps [/quote]
quickiebombs, scottish resistance
[quote] win fights on 10% hp [/quote]
skill issue
[quote] cap 2x as fast [/quote]
Pain train
[quote] build uber while remaining mobile, [/quote]
Pipes, Half-Zatoichi
[quote] get 35 kills a game [/quote]
skill issue
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#75
-173 Frags +

I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. EVEN THEN you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.

I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. [b]EVEN THEN[/b] you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.
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#76
73 Frags +

how are you not banned

how are you not banned
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#77
54 Frags +
NURBEY I want nothing more than TF2 to grow.

The best way to do this that's in your power is for you to completely detach yourself from the game

[quote=NURBEY] I want nothing more than TF2 to grow.[/quote]

The best way to do this that's in your power is for you to completely detach yourself from the game
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#78
60 Frags +
NURBEYI don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. EVEN THEN you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.

haha ur a pedo

[quote=NURBEY]I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. [b]EVEN THEN[/b] you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.[/quote]

haha ur a pedo
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#79
64 Frags +
NURBEYWatching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

What about the lack of critical thinking skills you put into grooming minors a few years ago

[quote=NURBEY]Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.[/quote]
What about the lack of critical thinking skills you put into grooming minors a few years ago
80
#80
87 Frags +

NGL might be 900 iq play to derail the thread though, usually b4nny deploys a schizo to do so but the pedophile gambit is one step up

NGL might be 900 iq play to derail the thread though, usually b4nny deploys a schizo to do so but the pedophile gambit is one step up
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#81
37 Frags +

If admins do not delete every post after #74 they will out themselves as not only pro-nursey but also pro-loch and pro-mg.

If admins do not delete every post after #74 they will out themselves as not only pro-nursey but also pro-loch and pro-mg.
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#82
37 Frags +

wow the tftv admins are really cool for not banning the literal pedophile nobody likes

wow the tftv admins are really cool for not banning the literal pedophile nobody likes
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#83
-5 Frags +
cookiecookiehttps://strawpoll.com/eJnvvbKN4nvSo far it's a pretty split opinion:

Make it one more for ban loch peppermint already voted on my wifi network.

https://i.gyazo.com/f8d978f292160e94bc111d8d39dcd2dd.png

[quote=cookie][quote=cookie]https://strawpoll.com/eJnvvbKN4nv[/quote]
So far it's a pretty split opinion:[/quote]


Make it one more for ban loch peppermint already voted on my wifi network.
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/f8d978f292160e94bc111d8d39dcd2dd.png[/img]
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#84
22 Frags +
NURBEYI don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. EVEN THEN you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.

dis u? (timestampped)
https://youtu.be/a7Qs6mlBd7s?si=VUfJhUTNM9HVX4HS&t=429

and dis?

https://i.imgur.com/1ey0WkA.png

and dis?

https://i.imgur.com/XoWkt0N.png

if ur actually remorseful for anything and hold any sort of responsibility you would stay away from the forum that exposed you and got you banned in the first place. Normal people don't get shunned and ousted from a community for being a groomer and then try to crawl back for over 3 years u weirdo go away and don't come back.

I dare u or ur dick riders (probably minors anyways) to respond.

[quote=NURBEY]I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. [b]EVEN THEN[/b] you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

Derail the thread about me or w/e, I want nothing more than TF2 to grow and it's beyond aggravating that over a decade later we still see the same stupid aggravating argument because people refuse to learn how to play tf2 and want to bitch n moan about the stupidest shit.[/quote]
dis u? (timestampped)
https://youtu.be/a7Qs6mlBd7s?si=VUfJhUTNM9HVX4HS&t=429

and dis?
[img]https://i.imgur.com/1ey0WkA.png[/img]
and dis?
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XoWkt0N.png[/img]
if ur actually remorseful for anything and hold any sort of responsibility you would stay away from the forum that exposed you and got you banned in the first place. Normal people don't get shunned and ousted from a community for being a groomer and then try to crawl back for over 3 years u weirdo go away and don't come back.

I dare u or ur dick riders (probably minors anyways) to respond.
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#85
30 Frags +

I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. EVEN THEN you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.

I don't know how anyone who thinks for a second that LnL & MG are deserving to be banned are not completely embarrassed to have that opinion. Watching people play invite these last 2 years is like watching the game actively devolve because of the lack of critical thinking skills anyone wants to put into any of their gameplay.

If you go off of an unlocks potential, then you should ban the direct hit and force of nature as well. Those weapons, theoretically, are straight upgrades over stock if you never miss. The Sniper class literally accomplishes everything people complain with these weapons but 100x better.

It is literally impossible to ban things based on what is fun and not fun because it is beyond subjective. People enjoy using the market gardener, and people hate playing against the crossbow, etc. You open a rabbit hole of bans that becomes purely wishy-washy.

Bans should only be made based on if a better team loses because they didn't run the unlock, and it is an absolute necessity to run. EVEN THEN you can't use this as a basis for bans, because then you would need to ban the crossbow & the gunboats.

What valve thinks is not considered in the conversation at all for weapon bans, and hopefully the people who are giant crybabies about unlocks that are borderline meaningless will gain some self-awareness and just actually get a spec of skill at the game and get over themselves.
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#86
2 Frags +

more than it being unbalanced and over simplifying demo, it just makes a lot of maps uninteractive. The worst mechanics in any game are ones that make your decisions feel useless. Its the same reason why airblast and sniper are so frustrating, there is no direct counterplay and it rewards a boring, unfun to play and unfun to watch playstyle

more than it being unbalanced and over simplifying demo, it just makes a lot of maps uninteractive. The worst mechanics in any game are ones that make your decisions feel useless. Its the same reason why airblast and sniper are so frustrating, there is no direct counterplay and it rewards a boring, unfun to play and unfun to watch playstyle
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#87
-4 Frags +
Fireball7d7aaairtimelmk when demo can transport the med at all times, quickfix

deny bombs consistently, skill issue
clear traps quickiebombs, scottish resistance
win fights on 10% hp skill issue
cap 2x as fast Pain train
build uber while remaining mobile, Pipes, Half-Zatoichi
get 35 kills a game skill issue

I did not know quick fix was unbanned in 6v6. I was unfamiliar with your game, and I apologize.

[quote=Fireball7d7][quote=aaairtime]
lmk when demo can transport the med at all times, [/quote]
quickfix

[quote] deny bombs consistently, [/quote]
skill issue
[quote] clear traps [/quote]
quickiebombs, scottish resistance
[quote] win fights on 10% hp [/quote]
skill issue
[quote] cap 2x as fast [/quote]
Pain train
[quote] build uber while remaining mobile, [/quote]
Pipes, Half-Zatoichi
[quote] get 35 kills a game [/quote]
skill issue[/quote]
I did not know quick fix was unbanned in 6v6. I was unfamiliar with your game, and I apologize.
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#88
91 Frags +

Hey, I banned Nursey, probably should have been done a long time ago. Let's continue our 5374th unlock thread

Hey, I banned Nursey, probably should have been done a long time ago. Let's continue our 5374th unlock thread
89
#89
12 Frags +

i think the loch n load should be banned because its gay and annoying just like the spoon is gay and annoying

i think the loch n load should be banned because its gay and annoying just like the spoon is gay and annoying
90
#90
-2 Frags +

There are two conversations that need to happen, one for 6s and one for HL. I dont have much say on 6s but HL I wanna say that two piping a level 3 sentry from across the map shouldn't be a thing. Spamming LnL on HL koth is becoming a very stale meta, look at the most recent grand finals for evidence.

HL loch might just be a side-grade, but its a side-grade that can slow the pacing of a format with already pretty slow pacing.

There are two conversations that need to happen, one for 6s and one for HL. I dont have much say on 6s but HL I wanna say that two piping a level 3 sentry from across the map shouldn't be a thing. Spamming LnL on HL koth is becoming a very stale meta, look at the most recent grand finals for evidence.

HL loch might just be a side-grade, but its a side-grade that can slow the pacing of a format with already pretty slow pacing.
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