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Russia Invades Ukraine
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#121
refresh.tf
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Tino_Most Russians actually seem to support Putin... Take from it what you will, but most polling puts Putin's approval above 60%.

Is the polling really accurate though?: what polls? pre- or post invasion? polls funded by putin? what is the disparity between putin's polls & independent polls?

on a fundamental do you really think putin would allow polling that shows him having a low approval despite "winning" his latest election with 75% of the vote?

[quote=Tino_]
Most Russians actually seem to support Putin... Take from it what you will, but most polling puts Putin's approval above 60%.[/quote]
Is the polling really accurate though?: what polls? pre- or post invasion? polls funded by putin? what is the disparity between putin's polls & independent polls?

on a fundamental do you really think putin would allow polling that shows him having a low approval despite "winning" his latest election with 75% of the vote?
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#122
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The takeaway shouldn't be that the polling is 100% accurate. The takeaway should be that the people in the west significantly underestimate Putin's popularity among the Russian people.

The takeaway shouldn't be that the polling is 100% accurate. The takeaway should be that the people in the west significantly underestimate Putin's popularity among the Russian people.
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#123
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ok mister canadian, im sure you really know what the average russian thinks of putin

ok mister canadian, im sure you really know what the average russian thinks of putin
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#124
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And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.

And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.
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#125
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CollaideTino_Most Russians actually seem to support Putin... Take from it what you will, but most polling puts Putin's approval above 60%.Is the polling really accurate though?: what polls? pre- or post invasion? polls funded by putin? what is the disparity between putin's polls & independent polls?

on a fundamental do you really think putin would allow polling that shows him having a low approval despite "winning" his latest election with 75% of the vote?

Found this thing from CNN.

Putin HAS significant support from Russians. Thing is it's mostly older people and not younger, therefore you go on the internet and you see most people opposed. It's similar to polish government too, lots of people oppose it and you can see it online but in offline reality it has a lot of support anyways.

[quote=Collaide][quote=Tino_]
Most Russians actually seem to support Putin... Take from it what you will, but most polling puts Putin's approval above 60%.[/quote]
Is the polling really accurate though?: what polls? pre- or post invasion? polls funded by putin? what is the disparity between putin's polls & independent polls?

on a fundamental do you really think putin would allow polling that shows him having a low approval despite "winning" his latest election with 75% of the vote?[/quote]

Found [url=https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html]this[/url] thing from CNN.

Putin HAS significant support from Russians. Thing is it's mostly older people and not younger, therefore you go on the internet and you see most people opposed. It's similar to polish government too, lots of people oppose it and you can see it online but in offline reality it has a lot of support anyways.
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#126
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russia has taken its first major city, kherson.

[url=https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-02-22/h_94fb56edc8c774021fe635cda015d2fd]russia has taken its first major city, kherson.[/url]
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#127
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Tino_And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.

People forget that dictators are usually fairly popular among their people. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were popular when they ruled, and modern dictators like Jinping and Kim have set new heights for dictator popularity.

Dictators often thrive off of popular support, and many are democratically elected in their first years. Plato said that "tyranny arises, as a rule, from democracy." Anyone who's interested in this sort of thing can look into the concept of the "legal (world) revolution."

[quote=Tino_]And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.[/quote]People forget that dictators are usually fairly popular among their people. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were popular when they ruled, and modern dictators like Jinping and Kim have set new heights for dictator popularity.

Dictators often thrive off of popular support, and many are democratically elected in their first years. Plato said that "tyranny arises, as a rule, from democracy." Anyone who's interested in this sort of thing can look into the concept of the "legal (world) revolution."
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#128
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhHPScS1m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhHPScS1m8
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#129
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There is currently a live battle at a nuclear power plant(the largest in Europe!) in Zaporizhya, Ukraine and there are reports of a fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8

There is currently a live battle at a nuclear power plant(the largest in Europe!) in Zaporizhya, Ukraine and there are reports of a fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8
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#130
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Has this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?

Has this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?
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#131
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BrockHas this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?Ariehttps://twitter.com/BLASTPremier/status/1498623081304276993
BLASTPremier...no Russian-based team will be invited to play in our events for the foreseable future
[quote=Brock]Has this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?[/quote]
[quote=Arie]https://twitter.com/BLASTPremier/status/1498623081304276993

[quote=BLASTPremier]...no Russian-based team will be invited to play in our events for the foreseable future[/quote][/quote]
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#132
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BrockHas this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?

Yeah, at least in the CS:GO scene one of the biggest tournament organizers just banned two top tier teams from competition, and NA'VI, currently ranked world #1, cut ties with their parent organization because it was denying the existence of the conflict

https://www.hltv.org/news/33363/esl-pro-league-bans-organizations-with-ties-to-russian-government-from-upcoming-season

edit: I got sniped with part of my message

[quote=Brock]Has this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?[/quote]

Yeah, at least in the CS:GO scene one of the biggest tournament organizers just banned two top tier teams from competition, and NA'VI, currently ranked world #1, cut ties with their parent organization because it was denying the existence of the conflict

https://www.hltv.org/news/33363/esl-pro-league-bans-organizations-with-ties-to-russian-government-from-upcoming-season

edit: I got sniped with part of my message
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#133
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oh boy

[url=https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1499574209567199235?s=20&t=vQPzw1RAyDUglm_N02vbiw]oh boy[/url]
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#134
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nasty airshot

[url=https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1500038514037202947]nasty airshot[/url]
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#135
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BrockHas this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?

considering most of EU not accepting Russian aircraft, pro esport players from Russia have the choice of going home and staying in Russia for the foreseeable future, or don't go back to Russia and be able to play LAN events without struggling to leave the country.

[quote=Brock]Has this had any major effects on other professional players outside of tf2 in Russia?[/quote]
considering most of EU not accepting Russian aircraft, pro esport players from Russia have the choice of going home and staying in Russia for the foreseeable future, or don't go back to Russia and be able to play LAN events without struggling to leave the country.
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#136
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https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.18871.html

Not sure how actions like these do anything but punish normal Russian citizens who need a way to pay for basic necessities. I really don’t see how this does anything to stop the Russian forces who are actually advancing into Ukraine.

https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.18871.html

Not sure how actions like these do anything but punish normal Russian citizens who need a way to pay for basic necessities. I really don’t see how this does anything to stop the Russian forces who are actually advancing into Ukraine.
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#137
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hannahhttps://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.18871.html

Not sure how actions like these do anything but punish normal Russian citizens who need a way to pay for basic necessities. I really don’t see how this does anything to stop the Russian forces who are actually advancing into Ukraine.

I believe the logic is that all transactions made in Russia, whether that be selling a product or using a debit card, includes tax. That tax money goes to the Russian government, which funds the war effort, etc. Also has the benefit of making the war even more unpopular in Russia, and for a dictator, public opinion means a lot. When his security forces can't pay for food because of his decisions, quashing protests suddenly doesn't sound that appealling.

[quote=hannah]https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.18871.html

Not sure how actions like these do anything but punish normal Russian citizens who need a way to pay for basic necessities. I really don’t see how this does anything to stop the Russian forces who are actually advancing into Ukraine.[/quote]
I believe the logic is that all transactions made in Russia, whether that be selling a product or using a debit card, includes tax. That tax money goes to the Russian government, which funds the war effort, etc. Also has the benefit of making the war even more unpopular in Russia, and for a dictator, public opinion means a lot. When his security forces can't pay for food because of his decisions, quashing protests suddenly doesn't sound that appealling.
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#138
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pajaroAlso has the benefit of making the war even more unpopular in Russia

It wasn't popular since day 1. Source

As for Visa and Mastercard leaving Russia, it was only a matter of time, we have our own payment system. Idk about MC, but Visa was taking 2% from every transaction.
They still will function within the country, you just can't make any international transactions

[quote=pajaro]Also has the benefit of making the war even more unpopular in Russia[/quote]
It wasn't popular since day 1. [url=https://www.youtube.com/c/1420channel]Source[/url]

As for Visa and Mastercard leaving Russia, it was only a matter of time, we have our own payment system. Idk about MC, but Visa was taking 2% from every transaction.
They still will function within the country, you just can't make any international transactions
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#139
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give s1mple the awp.

give s1mple the awp.
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#140
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forcing russia, china and india (3 billion people combined, regular business partners who will not stop international trade just because of this war) to trade in currencies other than the us dollar is an excellent, foresighted strategic decision made by impeccable statesmen, the likes of which we rarely see on the world stage!

forcing russia, china and india (3 billion people combined, regular business partners who will not stop international trade just because of this war) to trade in currencies other than the us dollar is an excellent, foresighted strategic decision made by impeccable statesmen, the likes of which we rarely see on the world stage!
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#141
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seven1They should give s1mple the awp. Ez win for ukraine.

No but all seriousness this shit fucked up. Fuck Putin.
dogbgive s1mple the awp.

fascinating disparity in frag ratio

[quote=seven1]They should give s1mple the awp. Ez win for ukraine.

No but all seriousness this shit fucked up. Fuck Putin.[/quote]
[quote=dogb]give s1mple the awp.[/quote]
fascinating disparity in frag ratio
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#142
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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...
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#143
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https://youtu.be/oS8ktqe5LEY
use youtube's auto translate for subtitles
the video title translates to "The captured Russians gave a press conference to the Ukrainian media" (via google translate)

https://youtu.be/oS8ktqe5LEY
use youtube's auto translate for subtitles
the video title translates to "The captured Russians gave a press conference to the Ukrainian media" (via google translate)
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#144
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ihorI received a summons to the draft board, if I never come back then know that it was fun to play tf2 with all of you for all these many years.
peace to you and your homes.

Anyone hear from ihor since? Hoping he's able to keep someone informed so we know.

Good luck Ihor, you're a hero.

[quote=ihor]I received a summons to the draft board, if I never come back then know that it was fun to play tf2 with all of you for all these many years.
peace to you and your homes.[/quote]

Anyone hear from ihor since? Hoping he's able to keep someone informed so we know.

Good luck Ihor, you're a hero.
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#145
serveme.tf
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cirlohttps://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...

Whether or not Russia is going to do that, I don't know, but the documents linked in that tweet don't say that. It's about moving Russian domains to Russian DNS servers, a call to stop using javascript tracking code from other countries and to move hosting to Russia.
Here's a decent thread on it: https://twitter.com/shakirov2036/status/1500584933491982341

[quote=cirlo]https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...[/quote]

Whether or not Russia is going to do that, I don't know, but the documents linked in that tweet don't say that. It's about moving Russian domains to Russian DNS servers, a call to stop using javascript tracking code from other countries and to move hosting to Russia.
Here's a decent thread on it: https://twitter.com/shakirov2036/status/1500584933491982341
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#146
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Ariecirlohttps://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...

Whether or not Russia is going to do that, I don't know, but the documents linked in that tweet don't say that. It's about moving Russian domains to Russian DNS servers, a call to stop using javascript tracking code from other countries and to move hosting to Russia.
Here's a decent thread on it: https://twitter.com/shakirov2036/status/1500584933491982341

thanks!

[quote=Arie][quote=cirlo]https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679

russia is planning to disconnect from global internet by the 11th of march. Iirc it's something they've been practising to do since 2014. They may manage to do it.
They're about to become like North Korea...[/quote]

Whether or not Russia is going to do that, I don't know, but the documents linked in that tweet don't say that. It's about moving Russian domains to Russian DNS servers, a call to stop using javascript tracking code from other countries and to move hosting to Russia.
Here's a decent thread on it: https://twitter.com/shakirov2036/status/1500584933491982341[/quote]
thanks!
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#147
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Analysis of the current situation by an FSB analyst

Translated twitter thread
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1500301348780199937?s=21

The original post
https://m.facebook.com/vladimir.osechkin/posts/4811633942268327

Analysis of the current situation by an FSB analyst

Translated twitter thread
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1500301348780199937?s=21

The original post
https://m.facebook.com/vladimir.osechkin/posts/4811633942268327
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#148
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JwTino_And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.
People forget that dictators are usually fairly popular among their people. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were popular when they ruled, and modern dictators like Jinping and Kim have set new heights for dictator popularity.

Dictators often thrive off of popular support, and many are democratically elected in their first years. Plato said that "tyranny arises, as a rule, from democracy." Anyone who's interested in this sort of thing can look into the concept of the "legal (world) revolution."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-russia-families.html?searchResultPosition=3
ngl alternative facts being so prevailing around the world is really scary

[quote=Jw][quote=Tino_]And I am equally sure that Swedes and Americans know as well.

None of this is "I think". I am going off of historic numbers and polling data that shows that overall Putin seems to actually have quite decent popularity. Now be that because of propaganda or whatever, that's another matter but it doesn't change the reality.[/quote]People forget that dictators are usually fairly popular among their people. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were popular when they ruled, and modern dictators like Jinping and Kim have set new heights for dictator popularity.

Dictators often thrive off of popular support, and many are democratically elected in their first years. Plato said that "tyranny arises, as a rule, from democracy." Anyone who's interested in this sort of thing can look into the concept of the "legal (world) revolution."[/quote]


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/ukraine-russia-families.html?searchResultPosition=3
ngl alternative facts being so prevailing around the world is really scary
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#149
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQl4wTi4Po

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQl4wTi4Po
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#150
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https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1516087197920813061?s=20&t=rOgEwYPiv7feLjaZNoHN3Q

https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.6330329,39.4676705,339m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1516087197920813061?s=20&t=rOgEwYPiv7feLjaZNoHN3Q

https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.6330329,39.4676705,339m/data=!3m1!1e3
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