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ETF2L Premiership Week 7: Epsilon eSports by Fragnet Networks vs. Awsomniac posted in Events
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Thursday, June 26th
3:15 PM EDT
(Completed)
ABOUT
It's the big one. They've saved the best til last here in the ETF2L Season 18 powered by Tt eSPORTS Premiership. No surprises from pre-season predictions that we would see Epsilon and Awsomniac A.K.A. BFF as the two main title contenders here in Week 7, but for Epsilon to enter this fixture as the underdogs is definitely a turn-up for the books... in the historical sense at least. Epsilon have endured several roster reshuffles this season before concluding that maybe KnOxXx wasn't the best candidate for soldier and writing off HYS and Raymon as collateral damage. Awsomniac have barely broken a sweat this season and looked only mildly perturbed when tested by Lazy Pandas and 4-25; they have yet to drop a point. A question mark hovers over their recent Granary performance against froyotech, but maybe that can be attributed to New York + clockwork. Join Admirable, Ryushi & a fixed Jon for all the thrills, spills and inevitable Mirelin vs. KnOxXx BM.
Map 1 - cp_snakewater_final1
Map 2 - cp_granary
Interviews
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#1
i52
3 Frags +

big palys incoming

big palys incoming
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#2
0 Frags +

im amped

im amped
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#3
2 Frags +

Match of the season

Match of the season
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#4
4 Frags +

now that demo is unnerfed this match is gonna be excellent

now that demo is unnerfed this match is gonna be excellent
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#5
1 Frags +

gotta say AwS 5-4 both maps

gotta say AwS 5-4 both maps
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#6
i52
20 Frags +

been saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon

been saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon
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#7
i52
6 Frags +
Starkcuon
[quote=Stark]cuon[/quote]
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#8
3 Frags +
Starkbeen saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon

good looki have fun

[quote=Stark]been saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon[/quote]

good looki have fun
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#9
4 Frags +
Starkbeen saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon

so unlooki

[quote=Stark]been saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon[/quote]
so unlooki
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#10
1 Frags +

Im so glad the demo is back in time for the best match of the season. The 2 best demos in europe battling it out. Can't wait.

Im so glad the demo is back in time for the best match of the season. The 2 best demos in europe battling it out. Can't wait.
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#11
0 Frags +

oh so Valve back tracked?

oh so Valve back tracked?
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#12
-2 Frags +

WHY CANT WE DO

LAZY PANDS VS SAINTS (PUBLICLIR.SE)

THATS ACTUALLY A GOOD GAME

WHY CANT WE DO

LAZY PANDS VS SAINTS (PUBLICLIR.SE)

THATS ACTUALLY A GOOD GAME
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#13
i52
29 Frags +

mike's thoughts on the game:
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/p417x417/10387123_10204105838108896_4351225126798928763_o.jpg

mike's thoughts on the game:
[img]https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/p417x417/10387123_10204105838108896_4351225126798928763_o.jpg[/img]
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#14
1 Frags +

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/218/735/i-came-ghostbuster.jpg

[img]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/218/735/i-came-ghostbuster.jpg[/img]
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#15
i52
23 Frags +

something
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10359130_732039820168239_2173393384749588454_o.jpg
motivational

something
[img]https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10359130_732039820168239_2173393384749588454_o.jpg[/img]
motivational
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#16
7 Frags +
Starkbeen saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon

http://pastebin.com/riQweA5C

[quote=Stark]been saving this one for a while

22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: wow
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: 2stronnkk man
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: gg
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: you won a pcw
22:12 - Epsilon KnOxXx: cu on official

cuon[/quote]

http://pastebin.com/riQweA5C
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#17
5 Frags +

my thoughts on mike:
http://girlinthelens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12646-1375452758-4.gif

my thoughts on mike:
[img]http://girlinthelens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12646-1375452758-4.gif[/img]
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#18
4 Frags +
Starkmike's thoughts on the game:
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/p417x417/10387123_10204105838108896_4351225126798928763_o.jpg

Lol is that actually Mike?

[quote=Stark]mike's thoughts on the game:
[img]https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/p417x417/10387123_10204105838108896_4351225126798928763_o.jpg[/img][/quote]

Lol is that actually Mike?
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#19
14 Frags +
Sideshowsomething
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10359130_732039820168239_2173393384749588454_o.jpg
motivational

La king of spire

[quote=Sideshow]something
[img]https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10359130_732039820168239_2173393384749588454_o.jpg[/img]
motivational[/quote]
La king of spire
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#20
0 Frags +

yes that is a picture of mike.

yes that is a picture of mike.
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#21
0 Frags +

hype

hype
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#22
10 Frags +

this game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that

this game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that
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#23
1 Frags +
mustardoverlordthis game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that

No

[quote=mustardoverlord]this game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that[/quote]

No
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#24
1 Frags +
mustardoverlordthis game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that

It was not his internet.

Hours before the cast we spent a fair amount of time working out cfgs/huds/settings (that's why his game looked better than normal) and during his test streams there was no lag whatsoever, we were both shocked to what was happening during tonight's game.

We are still trying to replicate the issue atm with no luck, hopefully we find what's wrong in time for the playoffs.

[quote=mustardoverlord]this game is great and I'm digging the casting, but I gotta be honest, the streamer's terrible internet is getting REALLY frustrating

am I alone in that[/quote]

It was not his internet.

Hours before the cast we spent a fair amount of time working out cfgs/huds/settings (that's why his game looked better than normal) and during his test streams there was no lag whatsoever, we were both shocked to what was happening during tonight's game.

We are still trying to replicate the issue atm with no luck, hopefully we find what's wrong in time for the playoffs.
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#25
7 Frags +

On Snakewater when AWS were capping last for the first time the capture animation nearly completes then suddenly switches back to being halfway capped which suggests a brief loss of connection to the STV during which the capture was blocked, but then it jumps forward to cap again.

http://www.twitch.tv/teamfortresstv/b/542058997?t=52m5s

At other times though the caster voices also lagged which wouldn't be affected by STV connection. DOS attack maybe?

On Snakewater when AWS were capping last for the first time the capture animation nearly completes then suddenly switches back to being halfway capped which suggests a brief loss of connection to the STV during which the capture was blocked, but then it jumps forward to cap again.

http://www.twitch.tv/teamfortresstv/b/542058997?t=52m5s

At other times though the caster voices also lagged which wouldn't be affected by STV connection. DOS attack maybe?
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#26
2 Frags +

Taking time to analyze the VOD to determine the cause of stuttering issues - who else but GentlemanJon

Taking time to analyze the VOD to determine the cause of stuttering issues - who else but GentlemanJon
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#27
i52
0 Frags +
GentlemanJonAt other times though the caster voices also lagged which wouldn't be affected by STV connection. DOS attack maybe?

I think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?

[quote=GentlemanJon]At other times though the caster voices also lagged which wouldn't be affected by STV connection. DOS attack maybe?[/quote]

I think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?
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#28
2 Frags +
AdmirableI think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?

I mean in conjunction with the visual action also lagging so you got a break in movement and audio which wouldn't just be STV, at a minimum it's STV and mumble. The moment I linked to was a particularly clear moment, the audio and visual freeze at the same time and the cap point animations showing obvious disruptions in communication with the STV (but they still move so it's not the upload to twitch) which indicates an acute moment in whatever it was, but at the same time the connection to Twitch was still working.

If testing is all OK then it's hard to see how it could be the PC setup. The number of Twitch viewers can't possibly make a difference. It could be the STV and mumble being attacked at the same time, or it could be Jon's connection being attacked, or there were too many people on the mumble/stv (not likely on mumble surely?), or the attacker could be Jon's anime porn torrents or his ISP could be worse at busy times in the evening.

It might be worth testing those times on a night off. Was a world cup match on? Wimbledon? Maybe try testing to coincide with a match and Andy Murray day as well so all those posh middle class tennis loving bastards are hurrying to their iplayer apps flooding your ISP locally while the knuckle dragging proletariat make do with the opiate of the people, it does happen and would melt away a couple of hours later.

I know what you mean about audio cutouts, they're annoying on fully charged but it normally seems to be when War is pouring his heart out so I presumed that was some kind of emo filter. Or maybe his mic being around his knees.

If the moving cap point animations are taken as proof that the connection to Twitch was OK then STV/Mumble attack could be possible, might be worth checking with Arie (it was Fakkelbrigade right?), but it seems like that wouldn't account for all the types of glitching because some of it seemed to be purely audio/video as well. Something that switched targets around a bit?

Lots of bollocks talked, some of it might be true.

[quote=Admirable]I think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?[/quote]
I mean in conjunction with the visual action also lagging so you got a break in movement and audio which wouldn't just be STV, at a minimum it's STV and mumble. The moment I linked to was a particularly clear moment, the audio and visual freeze at the same time and the cap point animations showing obvious disruptions in communication with the STV (but they still move so it's not the upload to twitch) which indicates an acute moment in whatever it was, but at the same time the connection to Twitch was still working.

If testing is all OK then it's hard to see how it could be the PC setup. The number of Twitch viewers can't possibly make a difference. It could be the STV and mumble being attacked at the same time, or it could be Jon's connection being attacked, or there were too many people on the mumble/stv (not likely on mumble surely?), or the attacker could be Jon's anime porn torrents or his ISP could be worse at busy times in the evening.

It might be worth testing those times on a night off. Was a world cup match on? Wimbledon? Maybe try testing to coincide with a match and Andy Murray day as well so all those posh middle class tennis loving bastards are hurrying to their iplayer apps flooding your ISP locally while the knuckle dragging proletariat make do with the opiate of the people, it does happen and would melt away a couple of hours later.

I know what you mean about audio cutouts, they're annoying on fully charged but it normally seems to be when War is pouring his heart out so I presumed that was some kind of emo filter. Or maybe his mic being around his knees.

If the moving cap point animations are taken as proof that the connection to Twitch was OK then STV/Mumble attack could be possible, might be worth checking with Arie (it was Fakkelbrigade right?), but it seems like that wouldn't account for all the types of glitching because some of it seemed to be purely audio/video as well. Something that switched targets around a bit?

Lots of bollocks talked, some of it might be true.
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#29
4 Frags +
GentlemanJonAdmirableI think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?I mean in conjunction with the visual action also lagging so you got a break in movement and audio which wouldn't just be STV, at a minimum it's STV and mumble. The moment I linked to was a particularly clear moment, the audio and visual freeze at the same time and the cap point animations showing obvious disruptions in communication with the STV (but they still move so it's not the upload to twitch) which indicates an acute moment in whatever it was, but at the same time the connection to Twitch was still working.

If testing is all OK then it's hard to see how it could be the PC setup. The number of Twitch viewers can't possibly make a difference. It could be the STV and mumble being attacked at the same time, or it could be Jon's connection being attacked, or there were too many people on the mumble/stv (not likely on mumble surely?), or the attacker could be Jon's anime porn torrents or his ISP could be worse at busy times in the evening.

It might be worth testing those times on a night off. Was a world cup match on? Wimbledon? Maybe try testing to coincide with a match and Andy Murray day as well so all those posh middle class tennis loving bastards are hurrying to their iplayer apps flooding your ISP locally while the knuckle dragging proletariat make do with the opiate of the people, it does happen and would melt away a couple of hours later.

I know what you mean about audio cutouts, they're annoying on fully charged but it normally seems to be when War is pouring his heart out so I presumed that was some kind of emo filter. Or maybe his mic being around his knees.

If the moving cap point animations are taken as proof that the connection to Twitch was OK then STV/Mumble attack could be possible, might be worth checking with Arie (it was Fakkelbrigade right?), but it seems like that wouldn't account for all the types of glitching because some of it seemed to be purely audio/video as well. Something that switched targets around a bit?

Lots of bollocks talked, some of it might be true.

I fuckin love you.

[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Admirable]I think this happens a lot even before this recent lag issue. Always little cut outs sprinkled though the audio, not sure why?[/quote]
I mean in conjunction with the visual action also lagging so you got a break in movement and audio which wouldn't just be STV, at a minimum it's STV and mumble. The moment I linked to was a particularly clear moment, the audio and visual freeze at the same time and the cap point animations showing obvious disruptions in communication with the STV (but they still move so it's not the upload to twitch) which indicates an acute moment in whatever it was, but at the same time the connection to Twitch was still working.

If testing is all OK then it's hard to see how it could be the PC setup. The number of Twitch viewers can't possibly make a difference. It could be the STV and mumble being attacked at the same time, or it could be Jon's connection being attacked, or there were too many people on the mumble/stv (not likely on mumble surely?), or the attacker could be Jon's anime porn torrents or his ISP could be worse at busy times in the evening.

It might be worth testing those times on a night off. Was a world cup match on? Wimbledon? Maybe try testing to coincide with a match and Andy Murray day as well so all those posh middle class tennis loving bastards are hurrying to their iplayer apps flooding your ISP locally while the knuckle dragging proletariat make do with the opiate of the people, it does happen and would melt away a couple of hours later.

I know what you mean about audio cutouts, they're annoying on fully charged but it normally seems to be when War is pouring his heart out so I presumed that was some kind of emo filter. Or maybe his mic being around his knees.

If the moving cap point animations are taken as proof that the connection to Twitch was OK then STV/Mumble attack could be possible, might be worth checking with Arie (it was Fakkelbrigade right?), but it seems like that wouldn't account for all the types of glitching because some of it seemed to be purely audio/video as well. Something that switched targets around a bit?

Lots of bollocks talked, some of it might be true.[/quote]

I fuckin love you.
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#30
1 Frags +
GetawhaleI fuckin love you.

<3

I should have added that if Jon or the casters were on the same STV as everybody else then an STV attack should have affected everyone and the same with mumble but I don't know the details of the setup in terms of who was using exactly what.

[quote=Getawhale]I fuckin love you.[/quote]
<3

I should have added that if Jon or the casters were on the same STV as everybody else then an STV attack should have affected everyone and the same with mumble but I don't know the details of the setup in terms of who was using exactly what.
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