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Lowpander swaps out Kissakala and Grenjabob, Crayon joins
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#31
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There will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.

There will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.
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#32
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It's possible I miss read, but the rest still stands. I don't think anyone's arguing what's been proven so far, there's been no matches so it's impossible to prove anything. It doesn't take a genius to see which teams are likely to fix their mistakes quickly though and compete at a better level.

It's possible I miss read, but the rest still stands. I don't think anyone's arguing what's been proven so far, there's been no matches so it's impossible to prove anything. It doesn't take a genius to see which teams are likely to fix their mistakes quickly though and compete at a better level.
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#33
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http://puu.sh/vsqTn/0a02a7a680.jpg

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#34
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kaidusIt's possible I miss read, but the rest still stands. I don't think anyone's arguing what's been proven so far, there's been no matches so it's impossible to prove anything. It doesn't take a genius to see which teams are likely to fix their mistakes quickly though and compete at a better level.

and etf2l admins and the community should react on your whims about which team is "more likely" to get better towards the end of the season?

sorry but I really don't agree with your reasoning, you have no concrete proof that you are better than low prem teams right now and you also dont have any proper reasoning as to how you would become better than them towards the end of the season. You'll need to do better than this to make the admins even look at your stance

[quote=kaidus]It's possible I miss read, but the rest still stands. I don't think anyone's arguing what's been proven so far, there's been no matches so it's impossible to prove anything. It doesn't take a genius to see which teams are likely to fix their mistakes quickly though and compete at a better level.[/quote]
and etf2l admins and the community should react on your whims about which team is "more likely" to get better towards the end of the season?

sorry but I really don't agree with your reasoning, you have no concrete proof that you are better than low prem teams right now and you also dont have any proper reasoning as to how you would become better than them towards the end of the season. You'll need to do better than this to make the admins even look at your stance
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#35
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It's clear that the current etf2l rules favour those teams that stays together for more seasons rather then those that are good but stays just for the season right before an insomnia event (and then drop again).
This is how it is. People may like it or not, but etf2l wouldn't be fair if it changed the rules last second.

Oh and 3 spots for prem are enough to make the next season really exciting: Se7en + Arctic Foxes + nerdRage + 3 teams that made it through one of the hardest prem playoffs in recent history? it still sounds fucking GREAT to me (from the spectator point of view).

It's clear that the current etf2l rules favour those teams that stays together for more seasons rather then those that are good but stays just for the season right before an insomnia event (and then drop again).
This is how it is. People may like it or not, but etf2l wouldn't be fair if it changed the rules last second.

Oh and 3 spots for prem are enough to make the next season really exciting: Se7en + Arctic Foxes + nerdRage + 3 teams that made it through one of the hardest prem playoffs in recent history? it still sounds fucking GREAT to me (from the spectator point of view).
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#36
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YeeHawMaahanmuuttajaWhere they can find new Scout now?http://etf2l.org/recruitment/

By quick look there's 1-2 Prem recs. and I'm not sure how big skill difference there's between High and Prem.

Oh well, let's hope they'll find one, Lowpander's matches had been enjoyable to watch.

[quote=YeeHaw][quote=Maahanmuuttaja]Where they can find new Scout now?[/quote]
http://etf2l.org/recruitment/[/quote]

By quick look there's 1-2 Prem recs. and I'm not sure how big skill difference there's between High and Prem.

Oh well, let's hope they'll find one, Lowpander's matches had been enjoyable to watch.
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#37
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MaahanmuuttajaYeeHawMaahanmuuttajaWhere they can find new Scout now?http://etf2l.org/recruitment/
By quick look there's 1-2 Prem recs. and I'm not sure how big skill difference there's between High and Prem.

Oh well, let's hope they'll find one, Lowpander's matches had been enjoyable to watch.

They will probably just pick up sheepy

[quote=Maahanmuuttaja][quote=YeeHaw][quote=Maahanmuuttaja]Where they can find new Scout now?[/quote]
http://etf2l.org/recruitment/[/quote]

By quick look there's 1-2 Prem recs. and I'm not sure how big skill difference there's between High and Prem.

Oh well, let's hope they'll find one, Lowpander's matches had been enjoyable to watch.[/quote]

They will probably just pick up sheepy
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#38
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They will probably just pick up sheepy

Sounds good.

[quote]They will probably just pick up sheepy[/quote]

Sounds good.
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#39
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Why do people still think pcw results mean anything aaaa I feel like a broken record

Why do people still think pcw results mean anything aaaa I feel like a broken record
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#40
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I want to say thank you to Grenjabob and Kissakala for 2 great seasons, I really hope Grenja gets a chance to play Roamer for a good team in High.

Kissakala won't read this cos he's an IRL tryhard cuck now, I just hope your mum doesn't stop watching our games.

I want to say thank you to Grenjabob and Kissakala for 2 great seasons, I really hope Grenja gets a chance to play Roamer for a good team in High.

Kissakala won't read this cos he's an IRL tryhard cuck now, I just hope your mum doesn't stop watching our games.
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#41
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can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.

can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.
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#42
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Paprika_can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.

we tied with top5
I'd be interested in an admin commenting on this bc it seems like it's been odd for a while

[quote=Paprika_]can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.[/quote]

we tied with top5
I'd be interested in an admin commenting on this bc it seems like it's been odd for a while
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#43
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Paprika_can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.

tfw LAN champion Papi has to qualify for prem just like all the other peasants

[quote=Paprika_]can someone please explain why 3/6 who finished 7th last season didnt have to qualify for prem, but my team does?? doesnt really make sense or seem fair that the rules just change because old players come back.[/quote]
tfw LAN champion Papi has to qualify for prem just like all the other peasants
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#44
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did both of you have to qualify then or??

did both of you have to qualify then or??
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#45
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Paprika_did both of you have to qualify then or??

after the season I saw we were 7th so i messaged an admin (can't remember who) who told me that by some tiebreaker rule we were 6th so I assumed we were safe and that top5 would have to play playoffs but it seems that didn't happen. Might have been because of all the teams folding that season but I don't see why that should change the rules.

feels like they've been making it up

[quote=Paprika_]did both of you have to qualify then or??[/quote]

after the season I saw we were 7th so i messaged an admin (can't remember who) who told me that by some tiebreaker rule we were 6th so I assumed we were safe and that top5 would have to play playoffs but it seems that didn't happen. Might have been because of all the teams folding that season but I don't see why that should change the rules.

feels like they've been making it up
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#46
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Please Use The Correct Name - "bug slayers" When Talking About Our Team . Thanks !

Please Use The Correct Name - "bug slayers" When Talking About Our Team . Thanks !
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#47
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Paprika_did both of you have to qualify then or??

As Crayon stated, 3/6 were ranked 7th in the tables, but 6th in reality due to tiebreakers. with top5 we didnt went through playoffs because many teams folded inbetween seasons 25 and 26 (iirc, Danger Dogs, Thanks Nursey, Animate and Lego), and we had good screenshots aswell.

About all these prem spots shenanigans, if all these new teams have good results to show for, I'm not against a really big playoffs layout, considering it could actually raise the overall level of prem, which the game could only benefit.
And whatever the decision is, the sooner we know about it the better, so people don't get caught off guard, and actually tryhard asap so everyone can justify of their skill before it gets nasty.

And about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D

[quote=Paprika_]did both of you have to qualify then or??[/quote]

As Crayon stated, 3/6 were ranked 7th in the tables, but 6th in reality due to tiebreakers. with top5 we didnt went through playoffs because many teams folded inbetween seasons 25 and 26 (iirc, Danger Dogs, Thanks Nursey, Animate and Lego), and we had good screenshots aswell.

About all these prem spots shenanigans, if all these new teams have good results to show for, I'm not against a really big playoffs layout, considering it could actually raise the overall level of prem, which the game could only benefit.
And whatever the decision is, the sooner we know about it the better, so people don't get caught off guard, and actually tryhard asap so everyone can justify of their skill before it gets nasty.

And about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D
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#48
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OmbrackAnd about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D

LET THIS DIE

[quote=Ombrack]
And about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D[/quote]

LET THIS DIE
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#49
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http://i.imgur.com/XAoYmTh.png

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#50
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etf2l being ruled by weebs now, who would've known the rules are shit !

etf2l being ruled by weebs now, who would've known the rules are shit !
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#51
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There's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

Moist_PenguinThere will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.

How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?

There's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

[quote=Moist_Penguin]There will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.[/quote]
How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?
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#52
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ThalashThere's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

iirc by the rules the 8th team's spot goes to the High winner while the 7th team play against the relegation playoffs. Since relegation playoffs are not played anymore i guess that means they have to play the Preseason Playoff now. So nunya shouldn't get the spot.

[quote=Thalash]There's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.
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iirc by the rules the 8th team's spot goes to the High winner while the 7th team play against the relegation playoffs. Since relegation playoffs are not played anymore i guess that means they have to play the Preseason Playoff now. So nunya shouldn't get the spot.
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#53
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ThalashThere's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?

Did you read my post, I stated the teams that had a spot, then I stated that ChampGG and Noot Clan have changed too much of their roster/died to keep their spot. Did you see nunya in that list, no hence they do not have a spot in prem, if they wish to compete in prem they will go through playoffs.

Ombrack
As Crayon stated, 3/6 were ranked 7th in the tables, but 6th in reality due to tiebreakers. with top5 we didnt went through playoffs because many teams folded inbetween seasons 25 and 26 (iirc, Danger Dogs, Thanks Nursey, Animate and Lego), and we had good screenshots aswell.

About all these prem spots shenanigans, if all these new teams have good results to show for, I'm not against a really big playoffs layout, considering it could actually raise the overall level of prem, which the game could only benefit.
And whatever the decision is, the sooner we know about it the better, so people don't get caught off guard, and actually tryhard asap so everyone can justify of their skill before it gets nasty.

And about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D

This is correct, 3/6 finished 6th and retained their spot. Top5s spot was up for contention but due to the amount of spots from teams dying they got to stay

[quote=Thalash]There's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?[/quote]

Did you read my post, I stated the teams that had a spot, then I stated that ChampGG and Noot Clan have changed too much of their roster/died to keep their spot. Did you see nunya in that list, no hence they do not have a spot in prem, if they wish to compete in prem they will go through playoffs.

[quote=Ombrack]

As Crayon stated, 3/6 were ranked 7th in the tables, but 6th in reality due to tiebreakers. with top5 we didnt went through playoffs because many teams folded inbetween seasons 25 and 26 (iirc, Danger Dogs, Thanks Nursey, Animate and Lego), and we had good screenshots aswell.

About all these prem spots shenanigans, if all these new teams have good results to show for, I'm not against a really big playoffs layout, considering it could actually raise the overall level of prem, which the game could only benefit.
And whatever the decision is, the sooner we know about it the better, so people don't get caught off guard, and actually tryhard asap so everyone can justify of their skill before it gets nasty.

And about the news itself, Crayon getting telefragged and then joining Muuki's side, what's happening :D[/quote]

This is correct, 3/6 finished 6th and retained their spot. Top5s spot was up for contention but due to the amount of spots from teams dying they got to stay
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#54
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guess i can take some time out of my schedule to slay the :bug:

guess i can take some time out of my schedule to slay the :bug:
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#55
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Moist_Penguin

So why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are 3 spots in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

[quote=Moist_Penguin][/quote]
So why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are [u]3 spots[/u] in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.
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#56
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ThalashThere's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.
Moist_PenguinThere will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?

I don't see where it says Nunya have a spot? Do you?

Teams have to comply with the unwritten rule based off of rule 3.5 of General Rules: 3.5 Switching line-ups or hijacking teams is not allowed, though this rule isn't specific to Pre-Season playoffs and to be honest we should look at updating the rules to be more clear, something we will consider, it is unwritten that rosters who keep more than half of their lineup between seasons are still considered eligible.

Champ.gg are still a team by name but have 5 changes so they will not be eligible unless 3 of their roster at end of last season come back. Same rules apply for any other side.

[quote=Thalash]There's no way nunya who finished 7th with a 1-13 record, only getting a map win vs the team that finished 8th, gets a spot in prem over AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

[quote=Moist_Penguin]There will probably be between 1-3 spots available depending on teams final rosters and signups. Until prem signups close any number is uncertain as teams may die or comeback during preseason. The teams with spots in prem so far are Se7en, Arctic Foxes, NerdRage, ChampGG, Lowpander, Lemmings and Noot Clan. However champ and noot clan look to have changed too much of their roster to keep their spots. However until signups close nothing is certain.[/quote]
How does ChampGG have a spot in prem when they died last season and as a result their playoff spot was given to Lowpander?[/quote]

I don't see where it says Nunya have a spot? Do you?

Teams have to comply with the unwritten rule based off of rule 3.5 of General Rules: [i]3.5 Switching line-ups or hijacking teams is not allowed[/i], though this rule isn't specific to Pre-Season playoffs and to be honest we should look at updating the rules to be more clear, something we will consider, it is unwritten that rosters who keep more than half of their lineup between seasons are still considered eligible.

Champ.gg are still a team by name but have 5 changes so they will not be eligible unless 3 of their roster at end of last season come back. Same rules apply for any other side.
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#57
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ThalashMoist_PenguinSo why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are 3 spots in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

Because there is a chance that noot clan or champ get back their old players. The only spot for certain is nunyas spot. I know it looks 99% that there will be at least 3 but I dont want to commit to something before prem signups are closed. Hence 1-3, it could be more if another team that has a spot makes 3 or more roster changes in offseason.

[quote=Thalash][quote=Moist_Penguin][/quote]
So why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are [u]3 spots[/u] in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.[/quote]

Because there is a chance that noot clan or champ get back their old players. The only spot for certain is nunyas spot. I know it looks 99% that there will be at least 3 but I dont want to commit to something before prem signups are closed. Hence 1-3, it could be more if another team that has a spot makes 3 or more roster changes in offseason.
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#58
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ThalashMoist_PenguinSo why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are 3 spots in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.

You're asking admins to predict the future, we don't know if teams sign up for the next season until they actually signup.

We're preparing for several scenarios with Premiership playoffs, don't worry. All I know is the decision that will be made by non-conflicted admins will not please everyone, but that is the reality of running a league.

[quote=Thalash][quote=Moist_Penguin][/quote]
So why are you saying there'll be between 1-3 spots in prem next season? There are [u]3 spots[/u] in prem next season, and all 3 of those spots have a chance to be taken by AMS' team, LEGO & kaidus' team.[/quote]

You're asking admins to predict the future, we don't know if teams sign up for the next season until they actually signup.

We're preparing for several scenarios with Premiership playoffs, don't worry. All I know is the decision that will be made by non-conflicted admins will not please everyone, but that is the reality of running a league.
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#59
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Here's how you avoid having to predict the future Hildreth. ChampGG is dead, it doesn't matter if they didn't drop from the competition when their playoff spot was given lowpander. The team leader and literally everyone who was a part of the team, said that the team was dead. How can you reserve their spot untill the signups close?

They shouldn't be given a chance to get their players back and then have a spot in prem again.

fuck my life, bring back permzilla

Here's how you avoid having to predict the future Hildreth. ChampGG is dead, it doesn't matter if they didn't drop from the competition when their playoff spot was given lowpander. The team leader and literally everyone who was a part of the team, said that the team was dead. How can you reserve their spot untill the signups close?

They shouldn't be given a chance to get their players back and then have a spot in prem again.

fuck my life, bring back permzilla
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#60
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Ok I didnt refresh and missed a whole chunk, fuck me

Ok I didnt refresh and missed a whole chunk, fuck me
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