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ESEA Season 29 Open Happenings/Discussion
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#211
36 Frags +

I really wish open level players would understand what they do in open is going to effect them in the long run at higher levels. It would really be better if you apologize and move on and not try that shit again.

I really wish open level players would understand what they do in open is going to effect them in the long run at higher levels. It would really be better if you apologize and move on and not try that shit again.
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#212
13 Frags +
ScratchhI accept your apology but I would still like to look forward to playing a match against you ( i even offered to play you at 11:30 once i realized your other match wasnt showing up) . So if you want to get in contact with me & an admin and be truthful that would be great because it seems as if your team leader had other ideas in mind. I'm still willing to pay for a sub if you need one. (IDK about new brands offer though, you'll have to ask him)

Alright I'll see what I can do.

[quote=Scratchh]
I accept your apology but I would still like to look forward to playing a match against you ( i even offered to play you at 11:30 once i realized your other match wasnt showing up) . So if you want to get in contact with me & an admin and be truthful that would be great because it seems as if your team leader had other ideas in mind. I'm still willing to pay for a sub if you need one. (IDK about new brands offer though, you'll have to ask him)[/quote]

Alright I'll see what I can do.
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#213
2 Frags +

damn scratch i really feel for you keep your chin up bud

damn scratch i really feel for you keep your chin up bud
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#214
18 Frags +
ScratchhThanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open

Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539

Edit 2: Take a minute to message tri if you see this to help us and scratch's team out, because we're unsure that he'll re-set up the matches so we can play fairly. Hope you guys can understand what it feels like to pay to play in a league where the other team just lies to get a win against you without even playing.

[quote=Scratchh]Thanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open[/quote]
Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539

Edit 2: Take a minute to message tri if you see this to help us and scratch's team out, because we're unsure that he'll re-set up the matches so we can play fairly. Hope you guys can understand what it feels like to pay to play in a league where the other team just lies to get a win against you without even playing.
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#215
18 Frags +
ChaseDuckScratchhThanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open
Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539

here are the chat logs from our team leader with their team leader.
https://imgur.com/a/JZ0Tv34
this is really sketchy

[quote=ChaseDuck][quote=Scratchh]Thanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open[/quote]
Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539[/quote]

here are the chat logs from our team leader with their team leader.
https://imgur.com/a/JZ0Tv34
this is really sketchy
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#216
41 Frags +

u can do scratchh dirty all u want, but when u come for ChaseDuck it is personal..

u can do scratchh dirty all u want, but when u come for ChaseDuck it is personal..
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#217
14 Frags +
NurseyI really wish open level players would understand what they do in open is going to effect them in the long run at higher levels. It would really be better if you apologize and move on and not try that shit again.

most open players who do shit like this never leave open

[quote=Nursey]I really wish open level players would understand what they do in open is going to effect them in the long run at higher levels. It would really be better if you apologize and move on and not try that shit again.[/quote]

most open players who do shit like this never leave open
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#218
17 Frags +

Our team leader is either being dishonest and unsportsmanlike, or is extremely bad at scheduling and leading a team. Either way, I feel like he hasn't been communicating very well with both his own team and the other team leaders. In the steam chat above, he says that Saturday at 10:30 is OK, despite the fact that he should have known that at least one of us wouldn't be able to make that time. He then either rejected the offer or never made one, I'm assuming making no further attempts at communication.

At this point I can't really tell if he's doing this intentionally or just trying to take advantage of all these misunderstandings. No matter what reason all this happened, however, trying to get a forfeit win out of it is really dishonest.

At least half of us are interested in rescheduling, and if nothing comes of it we'll probably just end up leaving the team, I personally don't want to be associated with this kind of drama.

Our team leader is either being dishonest and unsportsmanlike, or is extremely bad at scheduling and leading a team. Either way, I feel like he hasn't been communicating very well with both his own team and the other team leaders. In the steam chat above, he says that Saturday at 10:30 is OK, despite the fact that he should have known that at least one of us wouldn't be able to make that time. He then either rejected the offer or never made one, I'm assuming making no further attempts at communication.

At this point I can't really tell if he's doing this intentionally or just trying to take advantage of all these misunderstandings. No matter what reason all this happened, however, trying to get a forfeit win out of it is really dishonest.

At least half of us are interested in rescheduling, and if nothing comes of it we'll probably just end up leaving the team, I personally don't want to be associated with this kind of drama.
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#219
10 Frags +

Can we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches

Can we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches
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#220
2 Frags +

ya same here

ya same here
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#221
6 Frags +

i feel like tf2 is not this complicated. if both teams can agree on a day to play with 6 players per team, don't ffw each other and play the game. if you can't agree on a time, one or both teams probably have too much going on irl and outside tf2 to commit to a season.

i feel like tf2 is not this complicated. if both teams can agree on a day to play with 6 players per team, don't ffw each other and play the game. if you can't agree on a time, one or both teams probably have too much going on irl and outside tf2 to commit to a season.
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#222
9 Frags +

he's a scum fuck for being dishonest. and it definitely won't get him far in any regard. I am glad his teammates understand the issues and are willing to not play with him if he keeps being dishonest.

ScratchhCan we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches

You not handling the organization of your match as a leader/scheduler is your fault. If he makes an initial offer and you don't respond and let it auto accept after 24 hours, that's kinda on you for not responding to his request. Making sure everything is official and on the site is very important because once he gets his offer through it's up to his discretion to change things or not, and a non-official proof like a steam text chat in most cases isn't going to save you. Those are the rules esea has in place so matches can be scheduled while still keeping it misunderstanding free and they haven't changed the rules in a very long time so I don't see why you think this is some bs that tri is giving you. Spamming tri with messages isn't going to make him not follow esea's clear-cut system.

edit: all of this is clearly outlined in ESEA's rules btw so there shouldn't be any complaint...

he's a scum fuck for being dishonest. and it definitely won't get him far in any regard. I am glad his teammates understand the issues and are willing to not play with him if he keeps being dishonest.

[quote=Scratchh]Can we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches[/quote]

You not handling the organization of your match as a leader/scheduler is your fault. If he makes an initial offer and you don't respond and let it auto accept after 24 hours, that's kinda on you for not responding to his request. Making sure everything is official and on the site is very important because once he gets his offer through it's up to his discretion to change things or not, and a non-official proof like a steam text chat in most cases isn't going to save you. Those are the rules esea has in place so matches can be scheduled while still keeping it misunderstanding free and they haven't changed the rules in a very long time so I don't see why you think this is some bs that tri is giving you. Spamming tri with messages isn't going to make him not follow esea's clear-cut system.

edit: all of this is clearly outlined in ESEA's rules btw so there shouldn't be any complaint...
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#223
4 Frags +
Sliceroguehe's a scum fuck for being dishonest. and it definitely won't get him far in any regard. I am glad his teammates understand the issues and are willing to not play with him if he keeps being dishonest.
ScratchhCan we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches
You not handling the organization of your match as a leader/scheduler is your fault. If he makes an initial offer and you don't respond and let it auto accept after 24 hours, that's kinda on you for not responding to his request. Making sure everything is official and on the site is very important because once he gets his offer through it's up to his discretion to change things or not, and a non-official proof like a steam text chat in most cases isn't going to save you. Those are the rules esea has in place so matches can be scheduled while still keeping it misunderstanding free and they haven't changed the rules in a very long time so I don't see why you think this is some bs that tri is giving you. Spamming tri with messages isn't going to make him not follow esea's clear-cut system.

edit: all of this is clearly outlined in ESEA's rules btw so there shouldn't be any complaint...

i never blamed tri for this, if thats what you're assuming. I actually think hes handling the situation just fine. i just think its scummy as fuck what this dudes doing and he shouldnt be allowed to be scumming people out of games like this. Why did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.

[quote=Slicerogue]he's a scum fuck for being dishonest. and it definitely won't get him far in any regard. I am glad his teammates understand the issues and are willing to not play with him if he keeps being dishonest.

[quote=Scratchh]Can we get some people to message tri about this? I already did when the forfeit happened, and he said a reschedule was entirely possible, but considered it OUR fault and said they could ffw and not resched if they chose too. this is really BS and I think me and Lorgons team should get a win instead or atleast have that Uber Alles kid banned for scumming matches[/quote]

You not handling the organization of your match as a leader/scheduler is your fault. If he makes an initial offer and you don't respond and let it auto accept after 24 hours, that's kinda on you for not responding to his request. Making sure everything is official and on the site is very important because once he gets his offer through it's up to his discretion to change things or not, and a non-official proof like a steam text chat in most cases isn't going to save you. Those are the rules esea has in place so matches can be scheduled while still keeping it misunderstanding free and they haven't changed the rules in a very long time so I don't see why you think this is some bs that tri is giving you. Spamming tri with messages isn't going to make him not follow esea's clear-cut system.

edit: all of this is clearly outlined in ESEA's rules btw so there shouldn't be any complaint...[/quote]
i never blamed tri for this, if thats what you're assuming. I actually think hes handling the situation just fine. i just think its scummy as fuck what this dudes doing and he shouldnt be allowed to be scumming people out of games like this. Why did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.
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#224
22 Frags +

im a jew and have never scummed 4 a forfeit win in my life pls dont lump me in with this :)

im a jew and have never scummed 4 a forfeit win in my life pls dont lump me in with this :)
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#225
-9 Frags +
Robbotjamhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481250349655785472/497970343689060362/unknown.png?width=564&height=531ScratchhWhy did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.

Pretty sure if you took that screenshot before the match it would look more like this: https://prnt.sc/l2ydhj
Meaning you took that picture after you got the ffl. If you really did check the page before the match, it would say something along the lines of "Fri, Oct 5th at 9:30pm". Also, that -1:-8:-58 represents how long the match lasted and since you never played the match it would do some weird shit probably. You should always double check no matter what the leader of another team tells you the match time is. It was your fault as a captain/scheduler for not checking the match time that your team got the ffl even if they do some scummy shit for a ffw.

[quote=Robbotjam]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481250349655785472/497970343689060362/unknown.png?width=564&height=531[/quote]
[quote=Scratchh]Why did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.[/quote]

Pretty sure if you took that screenshot before the match it would look more like this: https://prnt.sc/l2ydhj
Meaning you took that picture after you got the ffl. If you really did check the page before the match, it would say something along the lines of "Fri, Oct 5th at 9:30pm". Also, that -1:-8:-58 represents how long the match lasted and since you never played the match it would do some weird shit probably. You should always double check no matter what the leader of another team tells you the match time is. It was your fault as a captain/scheduler for not checking the match time that your team got the ffl even if they do some scummy shit for a ffw.
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#226
5 Frags +
kobeRobbotjamhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481250349655785472/497970343689060362/unknown.png?width=564&height=531ScratchhWhy did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.
Pretty sure if you took that screenshot before the match it would look more like this: https://prnt.sc/l2ydhj
Meaning you took that picture after you got the ffl. If you really did check the page before the match, it would say something along the lines of "Fri, Oct 5th at 9:30pm". Also, that -1:-8:-58 represents how long the match lasted and since you never played the match it would do some weird shit probably. You should always double check no matter what the leader of another team tells you the match time is. It was your fault as a captain/scheduler for not checking the match time that your team got the ffl even if they do some scummy shit for a ffw.

are you actually trying to call me out on lying? LMFAO blame ESEA not me im literally not lying at all about the time i took that picture. no idea why it did the thing it did.
http://prntscr.com/l2z59p

[quote=kobe][quote=Robbotjam]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481250349655785472/497970343689060362/unknown.png?width=564&height=531[/quote]
[quote=Scratchh]Why did my website say -1:-8:-58 as a timer for the match when i checked at 9:21 PM despite having it apparently scheduled for 9:30? That i dont understand at all and i really dont see how thats my fault that i would misunderstand something like that. Also when i brought this time thing up to the leader he lied to my face and said the match was at 10:30, and then later on say it was 11:30 further adding to my confusion.[/quote]

Pretty sure if you took that screenshot before the match it would look more like this: https://prnt.sc/l2ydhj
Meaning you took that picture after you got the ffl. If you really did check the page before the match, it would say something along the lines of "Fri, Oct 5th at 9:30pm". Also, that -1:-8:-58 represents how long the match lasted and since you never played the match it would do some weird shit probably. You should always double check no matter what the leader of another team tells you the match time is. It was your fault as a captain/scheduler for not checking the match time that your team got the ffl even if they do some scummy shit for a ffw.[/quote]
are you actually trying to call me out on lying? LMFAO blame ESEA not me im literally not lying at all about the time i took that picture. no idea why it did the thing it did.
http://prntscr.com/l2z59p
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#227
5 Frags +

So our match is likely going to be rescheduled, I just talked to fail safe's team leader about it and he said they had a miscommunication with our match between their leader and their scheduler. So no intentional forfeit sniping against us according to them.

Here are the chat logs: https://i.imgur.com/iQ067Lh.jpg

-azion also got a reply from tri earlier that said this:

triToday at 3:46 PM
if both teams agree then you can play
just do it on the match page

Everything seems like it'll be ok for us, hopefully something can get worked out with Scratch too.

Edit: wording

So our match is likely going to be rescheduled, I just talked to fail safe's team leader about it and he said they had a miscommunication with our match between their leader and their scheduler. So no intentional forfeit sniping against us according to them.

Here are the chat logs: https://i.imgur.com/iQ067Lh.jpg

-azion also got a reply from tri earlier that said this:

triToday at 3:46 PM
if both teams agree then you can play
just do it on the match page

Everything seems like it'll be ok for us, hopefully something can get worked out with Scratch too.

Edit: wording
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#228
4 Frags +

can we all put our open level egos aside and remember we are all in open. Seriously if y'all are trying to get ffws in open then you need to go back to ugc. ESEA is a paid service, therefore you should want to maximize the amount of time you play.

but that's just me...

can we all put our open level egos aside and remember we are all in open. Seriously if y'all are trying to get ffws in open then you need to go back to ugc. ESEA is a paid service, therefore you should want to maximize the amount of time you play.

but that's just me...
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#229
14 Frags +

i think this is one of the only times i have upvoted scratch

the only reason to ffw literally every possible team u can is so ur open record looks better, but it literally says 2-0 so everyone will know u just ffw every team possible. it just makes u look worse and isnt worth it

i think this is one of the only times i have upvoted scratch

the only reason to ffw literally every possible team u can is so ur open record looks better, but it literally says 2-0 so everyone will know u just ffw every team possible. it just makes u look worse and isnt worth it
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#230
7 Frags +

I talked to Fail Safe's scheduler, FatPopTart, and it seems like our team is going to be able to play aswell :)

I talked to Fail Safe's scheduler, FatPopTart, and it seems like our team is going to be able to play aswell :)
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#231
0 Frags +

bro its so easy just like play the game lmao

bro its so easy just like play the game lmao
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#232
22 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/rKzm2ZV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rKzm2ZV.jpg
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#233
0 Frags +

yo does anyone know the half life no life squads? we are supposed to play a match and they aren't showing

yo does anyone know the half life no life squads? we are supposed to play a match and they aren't showing
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#234
-3 Frags +

alright we are virgin ff

alright we are virgin ff
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#235
-4 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/rkxio3B.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/rkxio3B.png[/img]
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#236
0 Frags +
warriordragon12https://i.imgur.com/rkxio3B.png

every time i see this i wonder if the goat is wearing a diaper. i think it is. and that actually is surprisingly sensible from canseco

[quote=warriordragon12][img]https://i.imgur.com/rkxio3B.png[/img][/quote]
every time i see this i wonder if the goat is wearing a diaper. i think it is. and that actually is surprisingly sensible from canseco
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#237
1 Frags +
marcvChaseDuckScratchhThanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open
Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539

here are the chat logs from our team leader with their team leader.
https://imgur.com/a/JZ0Tv34
this is really sketchy

Thank god Tery was ever vigilant in watching the times/days these guys were trying to schedule matches.

[quote=marcv][quote=ChaseDuck][quote=Scratchh]Thanks for the awesome match and sportsmanship Fail Safe!

Just kidding they cheesed a forfeit and lied to our faces and probably lied to the other team they forfeited tonight aswell
http://prntscr.com/l2sdst
boy do i love open[/quote]
Wait the same thing happened to us, I think we're that other team. They apparently also just got a forfeit win against us on the same night as you guys, which was a day before the we re-re-scheduled our game to. I don't want to jump to any jump to any conclusions, but this shit seems a lot like a forfeit snipe. We don't even know how they rescheduled the match again without us knowing.

Edit: Check out their team's last two matches https://play.esea.net/teams/8725539[/quote]

here are the chat logs from our team leader with their team leader.
https://imgur.com/a/JZ0Tv34
this is really sketchy[/quote]

Thank god Tery was ever vigilant in watching the times/days these guys were trying to schedule matches.
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#238
-4 Frags +

happy thanksgiving @other canadians

happy thanksgiving @other canadians
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#239
12 Frags +

After talking it through with Fail Safes scheduler, FatPoptart, we mutually agreed to a forfeit win for us and our team went back to being 6-0 (this was a few days ago)

Now im being told Uber Alles cut his scheduler (fatpoptart) and is currently trying to re-revert the forfeit BACK to them. (without messaging me or offering to reschedule the match)

Lets play "how pathetic can you be in the ESEA Open Divison"

edit: fatpoptart left on his own will, but still scummy none the less

After talking it through with Fail Safes scheduler, FatPoptart, we mutually agreed to a forfeit win for us and our team went back to being 6-0 (this was a few days ago)

Now im being told Uber Alles cut his scheduler (fatpoptart) and is currently trying to re-revert the forfeit BACK to them. (without messaging me or offering to reschedule the match)

Lets play "how pathetic can you be in the ESEA Open Divison"

edit: fatpoptart left on his own will, but still scummy none the less
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#240
10 Frags +

time for a mutiny @fail safe

time for a mutiny @fail safe
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