Hope no one here was caught up in the mess. I am in Manchester and know a number of others on here are too, let me know if you need help.

fortunately i don't think anyone here is too interested in Ariana Grande

religion of peace strikes again

Yeah I thought that but the blast was actually out on the street I believe so who knows.

Do we know anything about the perpetrator?

You're retarded

there was some isis twitter account that claimed responsibility for the attack (now suspended, @owys663)

allegedly the account had tweeted #manchester a few hours before the attacks. could have been time zones

https://mobile.twitter.com/uzii_hashmi/status/866810454441697281

Moronic yank post very insensitive tweet SMH https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/866790014717497345 idk what's wrong with this dude's brain.

i cant understand why anyone would ever wish to hurt such a massive amount of people

tbh im fine with jokes in the face of tragedy but your joke has to be even MILDLY funny/clever/original
this joke wouldnt even be funny if there was no tragedy

"lmao her music is bad it made me want to die"
he reminds me of like every youtube comment section account that says "LIKE if justin bieber is TERRIBLE"

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perhaps it has something to do with the fact that jihad is the only way you guarantee yourself going to heaven in the Islamic religion

ariana grande doesn't deserve this

especially innocent kids jfc

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

From your link:

These people and the people committing terrorist attacks in the name of islamic jihad seem to have very different interpretations of what jihad is.

What interpretation is correct? Is it the one we want to believe? The one that we are told everyday is the correct one?
Or is it the one that seems to be acted upon with increasingly frequency and supported by 1/4 of the muslim population?

Unless the country you live in is under islamic rule as a muslim you are supposed to follow the law of islam not the rule of the country

Islam is by its nature a decentralized religion - essentially any given congregation could have radically different interpretations of scripture and tradition. The Qur'ran even says in the very beginning that the book itself may mean different things to different people at different times.

There isn't an Islamic equivalent to the Pope or Metropolitans - each (generally small) group decides for itself what that small group believes to be correct.

In short, the religion itself *rarely* serves as the pure justification for perpetrating terrorist acts - it just serves a convenient excuse after the fact. If one is bound determined to do harm to another person they'll find any readily handy excuse to do so. Even a cursory knowledge of history could acquaint one with any number of justifications for killing someone. Generally even the most spurious are acceptable in the right conditions.

If you want to make it about religion then you should probably mention the fact that the US just made a $400 billion deal with Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist Wahhabi Salafi Islamic state that is the single biggest sponsor of Sunni extremism and terrorism in the world

not to mention the fact that you don't hear people saying

when the US (and the UK) invade countries that didn't attack them and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians

funny how that works

do you actually think that that is pertinent to the discussion at all or are you messing around lol

it's as pertinent as coming into a thread about a tragedy and pretending to be an expert on how the Qur'an commands Muslims to kill people

my point is that the terrorist groups with that sort of fundamentalism are being funded by US allies, who are all also authoritarian regimes

if someone wants to come in and say I'm oversimplifying things, because sometimes terror attacks are lone actors and ISIS or whoever claims responsibility after the fact, and because a small but still troubling minority of people in the middle east support terrorist attacks against the US and the UK, then I guess I'm just one of many people saying overly simplistic shit in this thread

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/29/you-shouldnt-blame-islam-for-terrorism-religion-isnt-a-crucial-factor-in-attacks/

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/18/why-do-so-many-americans-fear-muslims-decades-of-denial-about-americas-role-in-the-world/

dear lord

I should probably point out that these two articles are making slightly different points, and I completely agree with the 2nd one and only partially agree with the first

ah yes one thing i was really missing in my life is award-winning pinnacle of investigative journalism "the intercept dot com"

I'm pretty sure you're not the person to be making arguments about partisan internet news sites

teamfortress . tv is my news source of choice

I get all my news from bus stop ads and bigfoot podcasts

https://youtu.be/mzAQwATXZ4o
Stefan with the fire content.