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EU Team Elo is back
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From the same website that brought stressful performance judgements into your nice relaxing lobby, EU team pcw Elo has been revived! (with apologies to fraac)

You can regret going spy, engie and pyro to mid and losing your last game 3-2 here:
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/

For those that don't remember the original EU team Elo, like the original I slurp up logs.tf entries and find games that match ETF2L rosters then award rating points based on the results. For added spice I've also provided an alternative Trueskill ranking.You can explore team and player details to see how they achieved their current ranking.

Yes it also finds officials, no I haven't given them more weight, no I'm not going to detect them - it's a nightmare.

The updates aren't instant, they lag real time results by about 15 minutes or so. Also because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's still adjusting over time.

From the same website that brought stressful performance judgements into your nice relaxing lobby, EU team pcw Elo has been revived! (with apologies to fraac)

You can regret going spy, engie and pyro to mid and losing your last game 3-2 here:
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/

For those that don't remember the original EU team Elo, like the original I slurp up logs.tf entries and find games that match ETF2L rosters then award rating points based on the results. For added spice I've also provided an alternative Trueskill ranking.You can explore team and player details to see how they achieved their current ranking.

Yes it also finds officials, no I haven't given them more weight, no I'm not going to detect them - it's a nightmare.

The updates aren't instant, they lag real time results by about 15 minutes or so. Also because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's still adjusting over time.
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GentlemanJonAlso because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's still

I get the feeling there's something you wanted to tell us but got censored by the illuminati.

[quote=GentlemanJon]Also because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's still[/quote]
I get the feeling there's something you wanted to tell us but got censored by the illuminati.
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SetsulGentlemanJonAlso because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's stillI get the feeling there's something you wanted to tell us but got censored by the illuminati.

Oops, OP completed

[quote=Setsul][quote=GentlemanJon]Also because I'm starting this late log pickup hasn't been brilliant (rosters change a lot and I've been matching them from weeks ago) so it's still[/quote]
I get the feeling there's something you wanted to tell us but got censored by the illuminati.[/quote]
Oops, OP completed
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#4
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top5 best elo :thinking:

top5 best elo :thinking:
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i guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D

i guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D
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#6
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super space ship best team eu confirmed

super space ship best team eu confirmed
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#7
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marteni guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D

It takes a while to filter the elo points up the ladder and relies on teams playing outside their tier. I could have assumed that teams in lower divs have a lower rating as a start point but that's a bit artificial and I'm interested in seeing how well it will adjust over time.

What I'll probably do for next season when I change the list of teams to scan is that new teams in a division will get the average elo/trueskill of surviving teams in that tier as a starting point.

[quote=marten]i guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D[/quote]
It takes a while to filter the elo points up the ladder and relies on teams playing outside their tier. I could have assumed that teams in lower divs have a lower rating as a start point but that's a bit artificial and I'm interested in seeing how well it will adjust over time.

What I'll probably do for next season when I change the list of teams to scan is that new teams in a division will get the average elo/trueskill of surviving teams in that tier as a starting point.
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#8
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Tf2 does not deserve all your work jon
Did you ever consider becoming an esports Analyst? Working vor ESL maybe?

Tf2 does not deserve all your work jon
Did you ever consider becoming an esports Analyst? Working vor ESL maybe?
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#9
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This is honestly so cool.

wow my team is 6th place in open elo wise. huge confidence boost tbh. thx

This is honestly so cool.

wow my team is 6th place in open elo wise. huge confidence boost tbh. thx
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#10
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Weebs 1st place in high :thinking:

Weebs 1st place in high :thinking:
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#11
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smziTf2 does not deserve all your work jon
Did you ever consider becoming an esports Analyst? Working vor ESL maybe?

Think he earns waaaaay more money than ESL could ever pay :D

[quote=smzi]Tf2 does not deserve all your work jon
Did you ever consider becoming an esports Analyst? Working vor ESL maybe?[/quote]

Think he earns waaaaay more money than ESL could ever pay :D
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#12
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mans minted
spread the love gentleman jon

mans minted
spread the love gentleman jon
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#13
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HildrethThink he earns waaaaay more money than ESL could ever pay :D

I would accept their offer so hard and fast that whoever offered it would be reduced to a cloud of rapidly vapourising flesh

[quote=Hildreth]Think he earns waaaaay more money than ESL could ever pay :D[/quote]
I would accept their offer so hard and fast that whoever offered it would be reduced to a cloud of rapidly vapourising flesh
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#14
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In the future if anyone wonders why their misconfigured log that stopped after 10 minutes is being counted, the answer is se7en vs nunya

In the future if anyone wonders why their misconfigured log that stopped after 10 minutes is being counted, the answer is se7en vs nunya
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I've added a little toy that can be used to predict match outcomes from Elo. You can see it here: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/teamrank/matchup/choosematchup/

It only uses Elo because the maths for using Trueskill is

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif

It's just for fun at the moment but as the ratings become more accurate over time the results should become more interesting

I've added a little toy that can be used to predict match outcomes from Elo. You can see it here: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/teamrank/matchup/choosematchup/

It only uses Elo because the maths for using Trueskill is
[img]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif[/img]

It's just for fun at the moment but as the ratings become more accurate over time the results should become more interesting
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GentlemanJonI've added a little toy that can be used to predict match outcomes from Elo. You can see it here: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/teamrank/matchup/choosematchup/

It only uses Elo because the maths for using Trueskill is
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif

It's just for fun at the moment but as the ratings become more accurate over time the results should become more interesting

Daaamn! If only saloon.tf was still up :P

Seriously i've just seen a couple of matches and it seem to be quite accurate! Arctic Foxes vs top5rocket should be mathematically a good match: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Matchup/Probabilities/140/139

[quote=GentlemanJon]I've added a little toy that can be used to predict match outcomes from Elo. You can see it here: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/teamrank/matchup/choosematchup/

It only uses Elo because the maths for using Trueskill is
[img]http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif[/img]

It's just for fun at the moment but as the ratings become more accurate over time the results should become more interesting[/quote]
Daaamn! If only saloon.tf was still up :P

Seriously i've just seen a couple of matches and it seem to be quite accurate! Arctic Foxes vs top5rocket should be mathematically a good match: http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Matchup/Probabilities/140/139
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Very cool site but it would be nice if there were proper player profiles that showed average dmg/deaths/dpm and their ETF2L/steam link if it's possible to do (maybe individual player rankings by class/division). Essentially a stats page that gives you a brief overview of the player.
Also when you're looking at a match page on the site it doesn't show the final score.

Very cool site but it would be nice if there were proper player profiles that showed average dmg/deaths/dpm and their ETF2L/steam link if it's possible to do (maybe individual player rankings by class/division). Essentially a stats page that gives you a brief overview of the player.
Also when you're looking at a match page on the site it doesn't show the final score.
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marteni guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D

blaming the team as usual smh...

[quote=marten]i guess ELO does not count a loss against a high team as better than a loss against an Open team? im just trying to find a good excuse for my team :D[/quote]

blaming the team as usual smh...
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does it not automatically update the roster to etf2l's? cause we changed our medic and he hasn't been added as part of the roster for several days now.

does it not automatically update the roster to etf2l's? cause we changed our medic and he hasn't been added as part of the roster for several days now.
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Re4litydoes it not automatically update the roster to etf2l's? cause we changed our medic and he hasn't been added as part of the roster for several days now.

Hmm, should do. Will have to check, thanks for letting me know

e: I've run a quick check against the database and the current associated players match your etf2l page, but there are no detected logs since the 7th, and this page will only show players that have games recorded for that team. Have you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good

[quote=Re4lity]does it not automatically update the roster to etf2l's? cause we changed our medic and he hasn't been added as part of the roster for several days now.[/quote]
Hmm, should do. Will have to check, thanks for letting me know

e: I've run a quick check against the database and the current associated players match your etf2l page, but there are no detected logs since the 7th, and [url=http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/team/index/45]this page[/url] will only show players that have games recorded for that team. Have you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good
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GentlemanJonHave you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good

Okay we did today and it seems to have worked ,thanks for the help.

[quote=GentlemanJon]Have you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good[/quote]

Okay we did today and it seems to have worked ,thanks for the help.
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Re4lityGentlemanJonHave you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good
Okay we did today and it seems to have worked ,thanks for the help.

Nice, thanks for the chance to confirm it's working :)

[quote=Re4lity][quote=GentlemanJon]Have you played a game with the full lineup since the 7th? If so a log id would be good[/quote]

Okay we did today and it seems to have worked ,thanks for the help.[/quote]
Nice, thanks for the chance to confirm it's working :)
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#23
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will there ever be something like this for esea?

will there ever be something like this for esea?
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#24
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because we don't use logs.tf for officials, it would be more difficult to compile everything

because we don't use logs.tf for officials, it would be more difficult to compile everything
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unskilledwill there ever be something like this for esea?

Maybe, the whole workload for getting around ESEA is higher than ETF2L but I might find time for it at some point

[quote=unskilled]will there ever be something like this for esea?[/quote]
Maybe, the whole workload for getting around ESEA is higher than ETF2L but I might find time for it at some point
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How are games like these taken into account ?
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2612
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2149
I thought it only took game between teams of the same tier.

How are games like these taken into account ?
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2612
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2149
I thought it only took game between teams of the same tier.
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OmbrackHow are games like these taken into account ?
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2612
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2149
I thought it only took game between teams of the same tier.

There has to be a mechanism by which lower teams can leak their Elo into the upper tiers. Of course if the prem team loses...

[quote=Ombrack]How are games like these taken into account ?
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2612
http://beta.tf2playerrankings.com/TeamRank/Match/Detail/2149
I thought it only took game between teams of the same tier.[/quote]
There has to be a mechanism by which lower teams can leak their Elo into the upper tiers. Of course if the prem team loses...
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how was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993

how was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993
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Caelihow was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993

It looks like your opponents only had 3 people from the same team, at least on etf2l, so that might be the reason

[quote=Caeli]how was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993[/quote]

It looks like your opponents only had 3 people from the same team, at least on etf2l, so that might be the reason
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Raptor00XCaelihow was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993

It looks like your opponents only had 3 people from the same team, at least on etf2l, so that might be the reason

well they played with the same roster on product and it actually got taken into account
http://logs.tf/1641024

PD: Also they are all registered on the same team (except for 1 of the scouts who was playing on alt probably)

[quote=Raptor00X][quote=Caeli]how was this game not taken into account for our team??
http://logs.tf/1640993[/quote]

It looks like your opponents only had 3 people from the same team, at least on etf2l, so that might be the reason[/quote]

well they played with the same roster on product and it actually got taken into account
http://logs.tf/1641024

PD: Also they are all registered on the same team (except for 1 of the scouts who was playing on alt probably)
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