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#61
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For the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT. They seems to be willing to help the community (their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!) and plus a thing like this would totally help them to launch their newest matchmaking system.
Ffs why whouln't they do it? I remember seeing a CSGO faceit lan final in one of the few local italian e-games events! (And Italy is literally the worst country were to hold a LAN, since the e-sports aren't even born)

For the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT. They seems to be willing to help the community (their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!) and plus a thing like this would totally help them to launch their newest matchmaking system.
Ffs why whouln't they do it? I remember seeing a CSGO faceit lan final in one of the few local italian e-games events! (And Italy is literally the worst country were to hold a LAN, since the e-sports aren't even born)
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#62
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cirlo(their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!)

i couldn't find it anywhere :(

[quote=cirlo](their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!)[/quote]
i couldn't find it anywhere :(
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#63
7 Frags +

As awesome as the compendium idea sounds, developing and polishing it to even come close to Valve's standards will be really difficult. You'll need artists. You'll need backend people. You'll need to rely on other third-party tf2 services (logs.tf, fantasy tf2, etc) of varying quality. The bar is very low if you built a website and are offering it for free. It goes way higher if you want to charge money for it. It goes even higher if you expect people to pay for it once or twice every year. If you fuck up, you lose the trust of mainstream tf2 people and your next year's event goes unfunded. Compendiums are good for increasing prizepools but I don't think it makes sense to rely on them.

It would be much more reliable to have a pay-to-play comp league where tf2 is a first class citizen. Tying LAN funding to playing the game is pretty much the best case scenario. If the number of players grows, you have more money to spend on events. If the number of players shrinks, it no longer makes sense to keep organizing events. In any case, the money follows the playerbase and you can organize events reliably until the game dies.

cirloFor the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT.

FACEIT looks optimistic so far but I'd really like to see at least some real money component in UGC or ETF2L (or maybe a new paid league? I've heard some people talking about that.). Once you have money, you can redirect that into prizes, events and all kinds of flashy stuff that makes the scene grow.

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flatlinecirlo(their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!)i couldn't find it anywhere :(

It was the vice president: https://twitter.com/jamesbardolph/status/769942675810385920?lang=en

As awesome as the compendium idea sounds, developing and polishing it to even come close to Valve's standards will be really difficult. You'll need artists. You'll need backend people. You'll need to rely on other third-party tf2 services (logs.tf, fantasy tf2, etc) of varying quality. The bar is very low if you built a website and are offering it for free. It goes way higher if you want to charge money for it. It goes even higher if you expect people to pay for it once or twice every year. If you fuck up, you lose the trust of mainstream tf2 people and your next year's event goes unfunded. Compendiums are good for increasing prizepools but I don't think it makes sense to rely on them.

It would be much more reliable to have a pay-to-play comp league where tf2 is a first class citizen. Tying LAN funding to playing the game is pretty much the best case scenario. If the number of players grows, you have more money to spend on events. If the number of players shrinks, it no longer makes sense to keep organizing events. In any case, the money follows the playerbase and you can organize events reliably until the game dies.

[quote=cirlo]For the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT.[/quote]
FACEIT looks optimistic so far but I'd really like to see at least some real money component in UGC or ETF2L (or maybe a new paid league? I've heard some people talking about that.). Once you have money, you can redirect that into prizes, events and all kinds of flashy stuff that makes the scene grow.

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[quote=flatline][quote=cirlo](their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!)[/quote]
i couldn't find it anywhere :([/quote]
It was the vice president: https://twitter.com/jamesbardolph/status/769942675810385920?lang=en
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#64
5 Frags +

Not sure how much they can help, but I have contacts in LANfest who might have some ideas.

Not sure how much they can help, but I have contacts in LANfest who might have some ideas.
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#65
11 Frags +
SideshowI'd rather not focus on any idea that relies on Valve. If they do anything it'd be nice but let's gravitate away from in-game stuff that counts on their official backing.

I think that as much as we've never relied on valve before it will be hard to raise this amount of money per year for an extra lan as the people that donate are a smallish portion of people already involved in the competitive format in some way or another (competitive stream viewers/play competitive/spectate competitive). The community isn't massive, has a lot of people paying student costs etc.

You'd need to get some advertising out of Valve, maybe a main menu background, message of the day, it would be fantastic to get team badges/pins as others have suggested into the Mann Co store. But I think with the way Valve has treated this is you can't expect them to actually do any of this with their dev team. I don't even think they design their own cosmetics anymore.

We'd need to have modellers/SFM animators and stuff with ideas already to present them. Give Valve the easiest route where it's hard to say no than count them out entirely. If these ideas don't work, well stick them in the compendium idea as one of the benefits.

The reason that the compendium or equivalent works so well with other Valve games is because it is massively in your face. I wouldn't even count recent years but TI3 it was all over the client. We need to raise a smaller amount but our community is also smaller even if you count pub players and traders and whatnot. It would still need the same advertising and without help from Valve it would seem quite difficult without finding sponsors to cover most of these costs.

I don't mean to be down about the idea, I think it's great but it's probably best to recognise that it's going to need a lot of help.

[quote=Sideshow]I'd rather not focus on any idea that relies on Valve. If they do anything it'd be nice but let's gravitate away from in-game stuff that counts on their official backing.[/quote]

I think that as much as we've never relied on valve before it will be hard to raise this amount of money per year for an extra lan as the people that donate are a smallish portion of people already involved in the competitive format in some way or another (competitive stream viewers/play competitive/spectate competitive). The community isn't massive, has a lot of people paying student costs etc.

You'd need to get some advertising out of Valve, maybe a main menu background, message of the day, it would be fantastic to get team badges/pins as others have suggested into the Mann Co store. But I think with the way Valve has treated this is you can't expect them to actually do any of this with their dev team. I don't even think they design their own cosmetics anymore.

We'd need to have modellers/SFM animators and stuff with ideas already to present them. Give Valve the easiest route where it's hard to say no than count them out entirely. If these ideas don't work, well stick them in the compendium idea as one of the benefits.

The reason that the compendium or equivalent works so well with other Valve games is because it is massively in your face. I wouldn't even count recent years but TI3 it was all over the client. We need to raise a smaller amount but our community is also smaller even if you count pub players and traders and whatnot. It would still need the same advertising and without help from Valve it would seem quite difficult without finding sponsors to cover most of these costs.

I don't mean to be down about the idea, I think it's great but it's probably best to recognise that it's going to need a lot of help.
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#66
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Scrap.tf item donation/paid giveaway(lottery style stuff)?

Scrap.tf item donation/paid giveaway(lottery style stuff)?
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#67
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SideshowI'd rather not focus on any idea that relies on Valve. If they do anything it'd be nice but let's gravitate away from in-game stuff that counts on their official backing.

Smart, for sure.

Though perhaps worth making a big push and striking to them while the iron is hot, to even get some minimal involvement?

Imo now is the best time to push for better communication (this seems to be so key to any improvement in the game and comp) and even some direct involvement in the comp scene, in whatever form.

[quote=Sideshow]I'd rather not focus on any idea that relies on Valve. If they do anything it'd be nice but let's gravitate away from in-game stuff that counts on their official backing.[/quote]

Smart, for sure.

Though perhaps worth making a big push and striking to them while the iron is hot, to even get some minimal involvement?

Imo now is the best time to push for better communication (this seems to be so key to any improvement in the game and comp) and even some direct involvement in the comp scene, in whatever form.
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#68
5 Frags +

We've discussed this at i58, the idea of in-game items for monetary support is excellent, but so far it's never been anything more than an idea.
When you look at DOTA 2, they add brand items, those are created by the community then accepted by Valve.
You can't ask them to do something if you don't have value to offer them.

Those items should be a community initiative. We should start a few discussions of what these items should be and hopefully people start implementing them, and present them to the community.

(Sorry if this was established before)'

EDIT: The compendium idea represents fairly well how I'd like to cover future events online (if we're talking about a polished website providing in-depth stats automatically, alongside highlights, STV demos, VOD links, etc).

We've discussed this at i58, the idea of in-game items for monetary support is excellent, but so far it's never been anything more than an idea.
When you look at DOTA 2, they add [url=http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Brand_Items]brand items[/url], those are created by the community then accepted by Valve.
You can't ask them to do something if you don't have value to offer them.

Those items should be a community initiative. We should start a few discussions of what these items should be and hopefully people start implementing them, and present them to the community.

(Sorry if this was established before)'

EDIT: The compendium idea represents fairly well how I'd like to cover future events online (if we're talking about a polished website providing in-depth stats automatically, alongside highlights, STV demos, VOD links, etc).
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#69
4 Frags +

Also, could the LAN be shared with other games to help spread costs?

Also, could the LAN be shared with other games to help spread costs?
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#70
13 Frags +

Just to throw a suggestion out there while we're on the fundraiser topic

If we threw all our fundraiser money into a massive prizepool (which this amazing community could easily raise $50k+ for) instead of into the teams, how likely is it that bigger orgs would be willing to sponsor these teams and pay for travel expenses so they can go overseas to sell their brand? That is, after all, their end-game; publicise their brand/sponsors. Even Australian orgs have the potential backing to at least pay travel expenses. The prizepool would be large enough and distributed well enough to justify it IMO.

Just look at overwatch. Not a great game, but it has lots of money in it and, as a result, big orgs.

Thoughts?

e: @yuki I'm sure you could put in a good word at Tempo Storm ayy? ;)

Just to throw a suggestion out there while we're on the fundraiser topic

If we threw all our fundraiser money into a massive prizepool (which this amazing community could easily raise $50k+ for) instead of into the teams, how likely is it that bigger orgs would be willing to sponsor these teams and pay for travel expenses so they can go overseas to sell their brand? That is, after all, their end-game; publicise their brand/sponsors. Even Australian orgs have the potential backing to [i]at least[/i] pay travel expenses. The prizepool would be large enough and distributed well enough to justify it IMO.

Just look at overwatch. Not a great game, but it has lots of money in it and, as a result, big orgs.

Thoughts?

e: @yuki I'm sure you could put in a good word at Tempo Storm ayy? ;)
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#71
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riotbzJust to throw a suggestion out there while we're on the fundraiser topic

If we threw all our fundraiser money into a massive prizepool (which this amazing community could easily raise $50k+ for) instead of into the teams, how likely is it that bigger orgs would be willing to sponsor these teams and pay for travel expenses so they can go overseas to sell their brand? That is, after all, their end-game; publicise their brand/sponsors. Even Australian orgs have the potential backing to at least pay travel expenses. The prizepool would be large enough and distributed well enough to justify it IMO.

Just look at overwatch. Not a great game, but it has lots of money in it and, as a result, big orgs.

Thoughts?

I think this is worth a shot personally. I'm all for helping to fund the production crew and travel for teams etc. but this has been our primary focus for several years now. Maybe it's worth a punt to just get a sizeable prize pool announced well in advance of a LAN and determine how willing orgs are to sponsor teams to go and provide them with PCs and accommodation. This could also provide top teams/players with greater motivation to stay with TF2 as there's something to work towards.

One problem is that it may not be a long term solution, as you're not funding the bare minimum required to host a LAN. You'd really be going in with the hope that there's enough publicity and support to ensure sustainability in the future without the need for such large community-funded events.

[quote=riotbz]Just to throw a suggestion out there while we're on the fundraiser topic

If we threw all our fundraiser money into a massive prizepool (which this amazing community could easily raise $50k+ for) instead of into the teams, how likely is it that bigger orgs would be willing to sponsor these teams and pay for travel expenses so they can go overseas to sell their brand? That is, after all, their end-game; publicise their brand/sponsors. Even Australian orgs have the potential backing to [i]at least[/i] pay travel expenses. The prizepool would be large enough and distributed well enough to justify it IMO.

Just look at overwatch. Not a great game, but it has lots of money in it and, as a result, big orgs.

Thoughts?[/quote]

I think this is worth a shot personally. I'm all for helping to fund the production crew and travel for teams etc. but this has been our primary focus for several years now. Maybe it's worth a punt to just get a sizeable prize pool announced well in advance of a LAN and determine how willing orgs are to sponsor teams to go and provide them with PCs and accommodation. This could also provide top teams/players with greater motivation to stay with TF2 as there's something to work towards.

One problem is that it may not be a long term solution, as you're not funding the bare minimum required to host a LAN. You'd really be going in with the hope that there's enough publicity and support to ensure sustainability in the future without the need for such large community-funded events.
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#72
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Concerning this compendium thing, just an unrealistic proposition :
Since it seems unlikely to get an item to the mann co store to fund a lan event, what about to try to publish a kind of shitty game through the greenlight stuff ?
It doesnt even have to be good as long as it is properly hyped and explain clearly its purpose : Funding an internationnal tf2 lan with the passion of its player base.
Something like "Team Funding to xxx" where xxx is the name of the event.
Hell, maybe it would even be possible to strike a deal for an exclusive tf2 cosmetic as a pre order bonus (wink wink) ...

Concerning this compendium thing, just an unrealistic proposition :
Since it seems unlikely to get an item to the mann co store to fund a lan event, what about to try to publish a kind of shitty game through the greenlight stuff ?
It doesnt even have to be good as long as it is properly hyped and explain clearly its purpose : Funding an internationnal tf2 lan with the passion of its player base.
Something like "Team Funding to xxx" where xxx is the name of the event.
Hell, maybe it would even be possible to strike a deal for an exclusive tf2 cosmetic as a pre order bonus (wink wink) ...
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#73
-5 Frags +

Is a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.

Is a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.
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#74
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flufIs a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.

Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan

[quote=fluf]Is a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.[/quote]
Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan
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#75
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DoctorMiggynetwrkjrkif valve added in game purchases that contributed to funding tournaments (exactly like dota 2) i feel like it could really rejuvenate the scene. if prize pools are larger, it can give pros an incentive to put time into the game.
Maybe we can.
I can ask Eric about having a community made medal put in the mannco store and with the proceeds going to the LAN fund.
Doesn't hurt to ask, the worst he can say is "No"

Sooooo hyped on this. If another LAN is held this year in for sure goinggggggg.

[quote=DoctorMiggy][quote=netwrkjrk]if valve added in game purchases that contributed to funding tournaments (exactly like dota 2) i feel like it could really rejuvenate the scene. if prize pools are larger, it can give pros an incentive to put time into the game.[/quote]

Maybe we can.
I can ask Eric about having a community made medal put in the mannco store and with the proceeds going to the LAN fund.
Doesn't hurt to ask, the worst he can say is "No"[/quote]
Sooooo hyped on this. If another LAN is held this year in for sure goinggggggg.
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#76
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consumonnflufIs a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan

= more money in the scene = more attractive to sponsors

[quote=consumonn][quote=fluf]Is a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.[/quote]
Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan[/quote]
= more money in the scene = more attractive to sponsors
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#77
11 Frags +
parapluieConcerning this compendium thing, just an unrealistic proposition :
Since it seems unlikely to get an item to the mann co store to fund a lan event

I disagree 100%
Florida Lan got 6k funded with not a whole lot of advertisement. Over 2k of those donations came from people who wanted to buy the flan 2016 medal. Now imagine that on a larger scale that is the MannCo store.

I already emailed Eric about it, waiting on his response (and hopefully his approval).

ShdSteelDoctorMiggynetwrkjrkif valve added in game purchases that contributed to funding tournaments (exactly like dota 2) i feel like it could really rejuvenate the scene. if prize pools are larger, it can give pros an incentive to put time into the game.
Maybe we can.
I can ask Eric about having a community made medal put in the mannco store and with the proceeds going to the LAN fund.
Doesn't hurt to ask, the worst he can say is "No"
Sooooo hyped on this. If another LAN is held this year in for sure goinggggggg.

I don't think it's gonna happen this year.

[quote=parapluie]Concerning this compendium thing, just an unrealistic proposition :
Since it seems unlikely to get an item to the mann co store to fund a lan event[/quote]

I disagree 100%
Florida Lan got 6k funded with not a whole lot of advertisement. Over 2k of those donations came from people who wanted to buy the flan 2016 medal. Now imagine that on a larger scale that is the MannCo store.

I already emailed Eric about it, waiting on his response (and hopefully his approval).

[quote=ShdSteel][quote=DoctorMiggy][quote=netwrkjrk]if valve added in game purchases that contributed to funding tournaments (exactly like dota 2) i feel like it could really rejuvenate the scene. if prize pools are larger, it can give pros an incentive to put time into the game.[/quote]

Maybe we can.
I can ask Eric about having a community made medal put in the mannco store and with the proceeds going to the LAN fund.
Doesn't hurt to ask, the worst he can say is "No"[/quote]
Sooooo hyped on this. If another LAN is held this year in for sure goinggggggg.[/quote]


I don't think it's gonna happen this year.
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#78
3 Frags +

Is it beyond reasonable to think that you could even have certain team jerseys/hats as in-game cosmetics?
Or do these exist already?

Like Crowns or Froyo tops/hats.

Is it beyond reasonable to think that you could even have certain team jerseys/hats as in-game cosmetics?
Or do these exist already?

Like Crowns or Froyo tops/hats.
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#79
3 Frags +

if they do another gunmettle like event, including a few skins that associate with notable teams could be sweet

if they do another gunmettle like event, including a few skins that associate with notable teams could be sweet
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#80
15 Frags +

The problem with skins/hats/whatever associated with top teams is that top teams in tf2 aren't a constant. They change their rosters/sponsors/names several times a year. Sure, the top player pool is the same but the brand isn't. Right now, the only team with a "history" (a history that goes beyond a season or two) and a famous name that rings a bell when people hear it is froyotech and that's because it's not even sponsored by a third party organisation.

You can see that every org so far hasn't lasted in the scene long enough to make a lasting name for themselves, a name that people will hear and associate with a top team. Orgs like perilous, nerdrage, reason and whoever else (I havent slept in about 30 hours so i can't think of any others) simply don't stay in the scene long enough to have an item made about them

The problem with skins/hats/whatever associated with top teams is that top teams in tf2 aren't a constant. They change their rosters/sponsors/names several times a year. Sure, the top player pool is the same but the brand isn't. Right now, the only team with a "history" (a history that goes beyond a season or two) and a famous name that rings a bell when people hear it is froyotech and that's because it's not even sponsored by a third party organisation.

You can see that every org so far hasn't lasted in the scene long enough to make a lasting name for themselves, a name that people will hear and associate with a top team. Orgs like perilous, nerdrage, reason and whoever else (I havent slept in about 30 hours so i can't think of any others) simply don't stay in the scene long enough to have an item made about them
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#81
-6 Frags +
riotbzconsumonnflufIs a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan= more money in the scene = more attractive to sponsors

sponsors ? what fucking sponsors ? who do you think is interested in sponsoring a game that averages 5k viewers for its international lan tournament ? when will they ever see return in investment from that playerbase ? you´re all fucking dellusional
forget sponsors and forget valve if it isnt for the community this game is basically fucked

[quote=riotbz][quote=consumonn][quote=fluf]Is a big prize pool really needed? I would say the pride in winning a high level LAN is priceless.[/quote]
Big prize pool = more incentive to be there and win = better games = bigger lan[/quote]
= more money in the scene = more attractive to sponsors[/quote]

sponsors ? what fucking sponsors ? who do you think is interested in sponsoring a game that averages 5k viewers for its international lan tournament ? when will they ever see return in investment from that playerbase ? you´re all fucking dellusional
forget sponsors and forget valve if it isnt for the community this game is basically fucked
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#82
6 Frags +

I think in the past Fundraising streams have been proven to make a difference.

The i49 Showmatches are still ingrained in my memory because it was a taste of what we could expect for that LAN in terms of the NA vs. EU matchup. I've donated to the JT fundraiser right after I saw them win the Aussie League, and to the TLR one during the fundraising stream. My point is: if you give the viewer/possible donator a chance to see the team in action and get to see some interaction with them (or even directly interacting with them via interviews with viewers' questions) there will be a lot more empathy and a bigger chance for donations.

Now if there were a number of streams dedicated to getting viewers to connect to the teams/players/scene in general throughout the year, it would create an opportunity for viewers to experience the above a number of times before each of the LANs. Steal some ideas from TotH and have pro players also do jumpmaps, surfmaps, Ultiduo, MGE tournaments, Bball matches etc. and ask them questions before, during, and after to let people connect with them. You can even let people bet money on these matches and give the winner a signed item, while taking the money to put in the pool.

Promote the streams on here and on Reddit/tumblr/whatever and tell people that they are donating for the pro scene in general. Try to make sure that players from every team (if possible) are in the stream. Give shit away for donators, set a goal we want to reach as an incentive, and give shoutouts to big donations. I'll never forget that ArieKanarie donated a boatload of money to the TLR fundraiser and Shitwizard donating to TotH because they made such a fuss about it at the time.

There were 2k viewers at the lowest point at i58, with most of the Americans still asleep. 3k in the afternoon. If - over the whole year - those 3000 people would donate $5 there'd already be $15.000. And that's not even wishful thinking. We just need to get the word out.

I think in the past Fundraising streams have been proven to make a difference.

The i49 Showmatches are still ingrained in my memory because it was a taste of what we could expect for that LAN in terms of the NA vs. EU matchup. I've donated to the JT fundraiser right after I saw them win the Aussie League, and to the TLR one during the fundraising stream. My point is: if you give the viewer/possible donator a chance to see the team in action and get to see some interaction with them (or even directly interacting with them via interviews with viewers' questions) there will be a lot more empathy and a bigger chance for donations.

Now if there were a number of streams dedicated to getting viewers to connect to the teams/players/scene in general throughout the year, it would create an opportunity for viewers to experience the above a number of times before each of the LANs. Steal some ideas from TotH and have pro players also do jumpmaps, surfmaps, Ultiduo, MGE tournaments, Bball matches etc. and ask them questions before, during, and after to let people connect with them. You can even let people bet money on these matches and give the winner a signed item, while taking the money to put in the pool.

Promote the streams on here and on Reddit/tumblr/whatever and tell people that they are donating for the pro scene in general. Try to make sure that players from every team (if possible) are in the stream. Give shit away for donators, set a goal we want to reach as an incentive, and give shoutouts to big donations. I'll never forget that ArieKanarie donated a boatload of money to the TLR fundraiser and Shitwizard donating to TotH because they made such a fuss about it at the time.

There were 2k viewers at the lowest point at i58, with most of the Americans still asleep. 3k in the afternoon. If - over the whole year - those 3000 people would donate $5 there'd already be $15.000. And that's not even wishful thinking. We just need to get the word out.
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#83
12 Frags +
SentinelOrgs like perilous, nerdrage, reason and whoever else (I havent slept in about 30 hours so i can't think of any others) simply don't stay in the scene long enough to have an item made about them

When I decided to rebrand Florida Lan I did it with the mindset that I'd be making an Org that could host TF2 events for as long as I remained interested in TF2. I've already had 3 in-game items made for the "FLan Brand", I have very little reason to think Valve would be against the idea after having 154 people donate to this last event to get a FLan medal.

Maybe my Org can help fill the void in the community, only time will tell. The unveiling will be pretty soon (hopefully).

Here's a nice lil meme design for one of our shirts/mousepads

http://flan.tf/flanny/flan_gamer.png

[quote=Sentinel]Orgs like perilous, nerdrage, reason and whoever else (I havent slept in about 30 hours so i can't think of any others) simply don't stay in the scene long enough to have an item made about them[/quote]

When I decided to rebrand Florida Lan I did it with the mindset that I'd be making an Org that could host TF2 events for as long as I remained interested in TF2. I've already had 3 in-game items made for the "FLan Brand", I have very little reason to think Valve would be against the idea after having 154 people donate to this last event to get a FLan medal.

Maybe my Org can help fill the void in the community, only time will tell. The unveiling will be pretty soon (hopefully).

Here's a nice lil meme design for one of our shirts/mousepads
[img]http://flan.tf/flanny/flan_gamer.png[/img]
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#84
10 Frags +

i feel like we should start organizing people itt that have contacts / are able to help out with the bulk of the lan itself. i personally would love to help with design, kevinispwn and miggy can vouch for me.

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this is a shortlist of all of the people i noticed with connections, experience in relevant fields, and ideas. if you have the ability to help, post and get involved. lets get cracking.DoctorMiggyLet me know if you guys are down to collab in Chicago.
(#FLanHype?)
emkayI work at a LAN center in California that has 55 PCs downstairs and a huge upstairs - hotels are down the block, and its in the heart of the downtown. Want me to inquire to my bosses about hosting an event?Birdyrocksi did business courses at college and also worked as an accountant for five years and part of my job there was putting together plans for people to take to banks and potential backers to raise funds to get their businesses off the ground i even had face to face meetings with potential backers on the odd occasion, i don't know if this experience would be any help at all, but i'd love to help if i canflatlineChicago is by far the best location to host something like this. Accessible from both WC and EC and no long connecting flights to WC for European teams. AFAIK the only good LAN center in Chicago is Ignite though and that's not that big of a venue (you could probably talk to Lange more about the specifics) but considering they host TOTH now and hosted WCRV in the past the TF2 community definitely would have a line in on them (also from looking at it the layout is kind of weird: https://puu.sh/qUADm/c0cebb9ec4.jpg)

also talking to shdwpuppet would be better cause hes def done more research than i have on Chicago/Indianapolis/etc

I personally know of (and have been to) a venue called Gamers HQ in Third Lake (a Chicago suburb) that hosts a bunch of smash/fgc stuff. I've been there, it's pretty nice, but it's honestly pretty small too... http://www.gamershq.net/ Vro is the organizer there and he's a super awesome guy (and great at melee to boot), he would at least be receptive to the idea and point you somewhere

I've honestly been theorycrafting on this since WCRV ended because I didn't get to go and I was really really realLY sad about it.
JoshdumanAlthough I'm pretty new here, I saw this post and it got me thinking. I have a fair deal of experience with fundraising type events (around 20 hosted), and I find that actual involvement tends to bring better results than just selling something (I.e. hosting a golf outing vs selling candy bars). Suppose there was some kind of online event held, where people could pay like 20 (or more) dollars to play sixes comp game with one (maybe two?) pro player and other people who paid. I mean, one game would raise about 200 dollars, and price is still pretty low. I just have a feeling that a good number of people would love a chance to interact with the actual players.

I don't really know what processes are currently used, though, so this could be a silly suggestion for all I know.
Pontthis might be a really stupid idea, but as a fundraising campaign, we could do a week long Twitch stream. It could be passed along through EU players/streamers during the night hours for NA players and vice versa. I'm sure with Slin we could figure out some way to get a sub button for the channel and then all proceeds could go towards this LAN. This would be a good way to get viewers to connect with the streamers also. Just an ideacirloFor the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT. They seems to be willing to help the community (their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!) and plus a thing like this would totally help them to launch their newest matchmaking system.
Ffs why whouln't they do it? I remember seeing a CSGO faceit lan final in one of the few local italian e-games events! (And Italy is literally the worst country were to hold a LAN, since the e-sports aren't even born)
DreamboatNot sure how much they can help, but I have contacts in LANfest who might have some ideas.
i feel like we should start organizing people itt that have contacts / are able to help out with the bulk of the lan itself. i personally would love to help with design, kevinispwn and miggy can vouch for me.

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this is a shortlist of all of the people i noticed with connections, experience in relevant fields, and ideas. if you have the ability to help, post and get involved. lets get cracking.
[quote=DoctorMiggy]Let me know if you guys are down to collab in Chicago.
(#FLanHype?)[/quote]

[quote=emkay]I work at a LAN center in California that has 55 PCs downstairs and a huge upstairs - hotels are down the block, and its in the heart of the downtown. Want me to inquire to my bosses about hosting an event?[/quote]

[quote=Birdyrocks]i did business courses at college and also worked as an accountant for five years and part of my job there was putting together plans for people to take to banks and potential backers to raise funds to get their businesses off the ground i even had face to face meetings with potential backers on the odd occasion, i don't know if this experience would be any help at all, but i'd love to help if i can[/quote]

[quote=flatline]Chicago is by far the best location to host something like this. Accessible from both WC and EC and no long connecting flights to WC for European teams. AFAIK the only good LAN center in Chicago is Ignite though and that's not that big of a venue (you could probably talk to Lange more about the specifics) but considering they host TOTH now and hosted WCRV in the past the TF2 community definitely would have a line in on them (also from looking at it the layout is kind of weird: https://puu.sh/qUADm/c0cebb9ec4.jpg)

also talking to shdwpuppet would be better cause hes def done more research than i have on Chicago/Indianapolis/etc

I personally know of (and have been to) a venue called Gamers HQ in Third Lake (a Chicago suburb) that hosts a bunch of smash/fgc stuff. I've been there, it's pretty nice, but it's honestly pretty small too... http://www.gamershq.net/ Vro is the organizer there and he's a super awesome guy (and great at melee to boot), he would at least be receptive to the idea and point you somewhere

I've honestly been theorycrafting on this since WCRV ended because I didn't get to go and I was really really realLY sad about it.[/quote]

[quote=Joshduman]Although I'm pretty new here, I saw this post and it got me thinking. I have a fair deal of experience with fundraising type events (around 20 hosted), and I find that actual involvement tends to bring better results than just selling something (I.e. hosting a golf outing vs selling candy bars). Suppose there was some kind of online event held, where people could pay like 20 (or more) dollars to play sixes comp game with one (maybe two?) pro player and other people who paid. I mean, one game would raise about 200 dollars, and price is still pretty low. I just have a feeling that a good number of people would love a chance to interact with the actual players.

I don't really know what processes are currently used, though, so this could be a silly suggestion for all I know.[/quote]

[quote=Pont]this might be a really stupid idea, but as a fundraising campaign, we could do a week long Twitch stream. It could be passed along through EU players/streamers during the night hours for NA players and vice versa. I'm sure with Slin we could figure out some way to get a sub button for the channel and then all proceeds could go towards this LAN. This would be a good way to get viewers to connect with the streamers also. Just an idea[/quote]

[quote=cirlo]For the raising part i think we should try to persue FACEIT. They seems to be willing to help the community (their CEO even made a tweet about i58tf2!) and plus a thing like this would totally help them to launch their newest matchmaking system.
Ffs why whouln't they do it? I remember seeing a CSGO faceit lan final in one of the few local italian e-games events! (And Italy is literally the worst country were to hold a LAN, since the e-sports aren't even born)[/quote]

[quote=Dreamboat]Not sure how much they can help, but I have contacts in LANfest who might have some ideas.[/quote][/spoiler]
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#85
13 Frags +

meanwhile in the csgo community, people think their game isn't being supported by valve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1QE6ogmSkw

meanwhile in the csgo community, people think their game isn't being supported by valve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1QE6ogmSkw
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#86
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AdebisiIs it beyond reasonable to think that you could even have certain team jerseys/hats as in-game cosmetics?
Or do these exist already?

Like Crowns or Froyo tops/hats.

Imo we need to start a bit smaller, I don't think valve would want to add a cosmetic for each team, perhaps just start with an allclass jacket or hat, where you can unlock styles that give it a fat team decal by purchasing team stamps, like the map ones. It's the same end result, but less assets so maybe more likely to be acceptable. Maybe you could get holographic decal with 5 stamps or something. Stamps contribute to valve, major, and to the teams themselves?

Perhaps you can get the jacket along with a csgo style souvenir case by tuning in to the stream?

Idk plenty of ways to implement this kind of thing really.

[quote=Adebisi]Is it beyond reasonable to think that you could even have certain team jerseys/hats as in-game cosmetics?
Or do these exist already?

Like Crowns or Froyo tops/hats.[/quote]

Imo we need to start a bit smaller, I don't think valve would want to add a cosmetic for each team, perhaps just start with an allclass jacket or hat, where you can unlock styles that give it a fat team decal by purchasing team stamps, like the map ones. It's the same end result, but less assets so maybe more likely to be acceptable. Maybe you could get holographic decal with 5 stamps or something. Stamps contribute to valve, major, and to the teams themselves?

Perhaps you can get the jacket along with a csgo style souvenir case by tuning in to the stream?

Idk plenty of ways to implement this kind of thing really.
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#87
1 Frags +

Fundraising is THE ONLY WAY to get any sort of support for top teams, anything we do is not possible without fundraising. Fundraising is also going to be the easiest way to raise big prizepools. We had a large one for DeutschLAN off the back of a couple of showmatches and perks, the LAN simply didn't happen without fundraising to pay for the venue, pay insurance costs, then have a prizepool for the players.

A really well organized and driven community effort is the most realistic and likely way to make this happen. By all means pitch to Valve or other sponsors for support but that comes with a lot of grappling and hassle, besides it's unlikely to be successful or large scale.

For a suggestion for a venue, I heard of a place in Brussels that is basically a giant gaming cafe, when we were looking for alternative places for DeutschLAN, it looked a good potential spot, might be worth checking out. If only I could remember the name.

Fundraising is THE ONLY WAY to get any sort of support for top teams, anything we do is not possible without fundraising. Fundraising is also going to be the easiest way to raise big prizepools. We had a large one for DeutschLAN off the back of a couple of showmatches and perks, the LAN simply didn't happen without fundraising to pay for the venue, pay insurance costs, then have a prizepool for the players.

A really well organized and driven community effort is the most realistic and likely way to make this happen. By all means pitch to Valve or other sponsors for support but that comes with a lot of grappling and hassle, besides it's unlikely to be successful or large scale.

For a suggestion for a venue, I heard of a place in Brussels that is basically a giant gaming cafe, when we were looking for alternative places for DeutschLAN, it looked a good potential spot, might be worth checking out. If only I could remember the name.
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#88
41 Frags +

What if we all ask our moms if we can borrow 10 bucks

What if we all ask our moms if we can borrow 10 bucks
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#89
13 Frags +
capnfapnWhat if we all ask our moms if we can borrow 10 bucks

What about something like Patreon? Small charges every month for a lot of users probably could bring in a lot of money, and then rush it by advertising the heck out of it a month before the event so that outsiders would bring in money as well.
I'd probably stop my twitch subs and drop 10-20 bucks per month.

[quote=capnfapn]What if we all ask our moms if we can borrow 10 bucks[/quote]

What about something like Patreon? Small charges every month for a lot of users probably could bring in a lot of money, and then rush it by advertising the heck out of it a month before the event so that outsiders would bring in money as well.
I'd probably stop my twitch subs and drop 10-20 bucks per month.
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#90
23 Frags +

theres gotta be some rich nigga in this community that just lurks around tftv while stroking his pet tigers, now is the time to reveal yourself and postpone this games death another few months...

theres gotta be some rich nigga in this community that just lurks around tftv while stroking his pet tigers, now is the time to reveal yourself and postpone this games death another few months...
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