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#2731
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Why would I need 2 channels? Can't find any motherboards that support 240 pin on adm.
I thought tf2 wasn't ram intensive, would getting a 1x4 now, upgrading to 2x4 later make sense?

Why would I need 2 channels? Can't find any motherboards that support 240 pin on adm.
I thought tf2 wasn't ram intensive, would getting a 1x4 now, upgrading to 2x4 later make sense?
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#2732
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Because twice the bandwidth.
240 pin is DDR3. DDR4 is 288 pin.
Kaby Lake doesn't support DDR3 anymore officially so your choices are
-100 series chipset with Kaby Lake. Good luck with that, cheap mobos won't support updating without a CPU and you can't use the G4560 because it's not supported without an update.
-100 series chipset with Skylake. No Hyperthreading on the Pentiums so either much more expensive i3 or slower Pentium.
-200 series chipset with Kaby Lake and DDR4.

Not about capacity. With DDR3 you could get 2x2GB. It's still a terrible idea.
Can you really not afford it? Drop the GT 1030 and get the G4600 instead, then buy a proper GPU later.

Because twice the bandwidth.
240 pin is DDR3. DDR4 is 288 pin.
Kaby Lake doesn't support DDR3 anymore officially so your choices are
-100 series chipset with Kaby Lake. Good luck with that, cheap mobos won't support updating without a CPU and you can't use the G4560 because it's not supported without an update.
-100 series chipset with Skylake. No Hyperthreading on the Pentiums so either much more expensive i3 or slower Pentium.
-200 series chipset with Kaby Lake and DDR4.

Not about capacity. With DDR3 you could get 2x2GB. It's still a terrible idea.
Can you really not afford it? Drop the GT 1030 and get the G4600 instead, then buy a proper GPU later.
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#2733
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I'm upgrading my PC with an i5 8600k. and was hoping to get some recommendations on other parts that will need to be replaced as well.

My main issue with the following is pricing, not looking for the cheapest option exactly but for what will do best for an okay price.
I currently have a full tower case and I'm looking for a normal ATX form factor mobo and I'm unsure of what to pick. As well as needing new ram preferably 8-16GB of 2400Mhz and preferably dual channel (it seems to have an affect in some of the games I'm looking to play).

Another issue is that one of my current power supply wires is insanely stubborn and does not want to be removed. I wish to use the same PSU [Corsair RM750x] so I'll probably just disconnect the wire from the PSU and keep it attached to my old mobo and will need a new wire. Is it best to get a replacement wire directly from Corsair?

I'm upgrading my PC with an i5 8600k. and was hoping to get some recommendations on other parts that will need to be replaced as well.

My main issue with the following is pricing, not looking for the cheapest option exactly but for what will do best for an okay price.
I currently have a full tower case and I'm looking for a normal ATX form factor mobo and I'm unsure of what to pick. As well as needing new ram preferably 8-16GB of 2400Mhz and preferably dual channel (it seems to have an affect in some of the games I'm looking to play).

Another issue is that one of my current power supply wires is insanely stubborn and does not want to be removed. I wish to use the same PSU [Corsair RM750x] so I'll probably just disconnect the wire from the PSU and keep it attached to my old mobo and will need a new wire. Is it best to get a replacement wire directly from Corsair?
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#2734
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emoI'm upgrading my PC with an i5 8600k. and was hoping to get some recommendations on other parts that will need to be replaced as well.

My main issue with the following is pricing, not looking for the cheapest option exactly but for what will do best for an okay price.
I currently have a full tower case and I'm looking for a normal ATX form factor mobo and I'm unsure of what to pick. As well as needing new ram preferably 8-16GB of 2400Mhz and preferably dual channel (it seems to have an affect in some of the games I'm looking to play).

Another issue is that one of my current power supply wires is insanely stubborn and does not want to be removed. I wish to use the same PSU [Corsair RM750x] so I'll probably just disconnect the wire from the PSU and keep it attached to my old mobo and will need a new wire. Is it best to get a replacement wire directly from Corsair?

Since the 8600k can overclock to 5-5.2 ghz i'd recommend spending a bit on cooler/mobo's(stay away from hyper evo 212) ideally i'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range. All the new z370 motherboards are overclockable so just look at the features you like and pick accordingly. Also for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb. Are you also looking to upgrade anything else?

[quote=emo]I'm upgrading my PC with an i5 8600k. and was hoping to get some recommendations on other parts that will need to be replaced as well.

My main issue with the following is pricing, not looking for the cheapest option exactly but for what will do best for an okay price.
I currently have a full tower case and I'm looking for a normal ATX form factor mobo and I'm unsure of what to pick. As well as needing new ram preferably 8-16GB of 2400Mhz and preferably dual channel (it seems to have an affect in some of the games I'm looking to play).

Another issue is that one of my current power supply wires is insanely stubborn and does not want to be removed. I wish to use the same PSU [Corsair RM750x] so I'll probably just disconnect the wire from the PSU and keep it attached to my old mobo and will need a new wire. Is it best to get a replacement wire directly from Corsair?[/quote]

Since the 8600k can overclock to 5-5.2 ghz i'd recommend spending a bit on cooler/mobo's(stay away from hyper evo 212) ideally i'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range. All the new z370 motherboards are overclockable so just look at the features you like and pick accordingly. Also for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb. Are you also looking to upgrade anything else?
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#2735
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#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

#2734

Milani'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range.

1. H100i is outdated and not even that good.
2. Aios are generally shit.
3. In what universe does a low profile cooler on a full ATX board make sense?

MilanAlso for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb.

RAM speed is not about multitasking.

#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

#2734[quote=Milan]i'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range.[/quote]
1. H100i is outdated and not even that good.
2. Aios are generally shit.
3. In what universe does a low profile cooler on a full ATX board make sense?


[quote=Milan]Also for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb.[/quote]
RAM speed is not about multitasking.
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#2736
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Setsul#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

#2734Milani'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range.1. H100i is outdated and not even that good.
2. Aios are generally shit.
3. In what universe does a low profile cooler on a full ATX board make sense?
MilanAlso for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb.RAM speed is not about multitasking.

Pretty sure the h100i v2 is still getting constant good reviews and one of the more popular choices to buy online.
I just always prefer going for lowprofile parts as long as the performance difference isn't taking too big of a hit.
In regards to ram speeds, they do help out but the impact can be hard to notice however depending on your cpu. He's better off going for 2400mhz with lower latency timings than 3000+ and high timings if money is an issue but there's no reason not to go for the higher speed if you can afford it. Ram speeds are starting to matter again.

[quote=Setsul]#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

#2734[quote=Milan]i'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range.[/quote]
1. H100i is outdated and not even that good.
2. Aios are generally shit.
3. In what universe does a low profile cooler on a full ATX board make sense?


[quote=Milan]Also for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb.[/quote]
RAM speed is not about multitasking.[/quote]

Pretty sure the h100i v2 is still getting constant good reviews and one of the more popular choices to buy online.
I just always prefer going for lowprofile parts as long as the performance difference isn't taking too big of a hit.
In regards to ram speeds, they do help out but the impact can be hard to notice however depending on your cpu. He's better off going for 2400mhz with lower latency timings than 3000+ and high timings if money is an issue but there's no reason not to go for the higher speed if you can afford it. Ram speeds are starting to matter again.
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#2737
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Popularity is not an indicator of performance.
Aios can compete with high end air coolers, the problem is that they cost 50-100% more for the same performance while being far louder.
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2
Keep in mind that that review is actually a favourable scenario for aios since they didn't wait an hour for water temperatures to rise.

So from a performance standpoint the H100i v2 or otherwise isn't that impressive.
If price is a concern then it's plain bad.
If noise is a concern then it's abysmal.
If cost is no object then it's laughably outclassed by proper watercooling.

Of course you can gimp the comparision if you compare >100$ aios with <50$ low profile coolers and ignore noise levels but honestly that's just utterly retarded.

Apart from getting low profile parts for the sake of getting low profile making no sense. I'm not sure which low profile noctua cooler you mean since there's multiple, but even if you mean the largest, the NH-L12S it absolutely does affect performance significantly.

RAM speed and timings have always mattered. I suggest you try reading again what I wrote.

SetsulRAM speed is not about multitasking.

The benefits of faster RAM will not magically multiply by opening spotify. Nor will they disappear when there's only a single program running.

Popularity is not an indicator of performance.
Aios can compete with high end air coolers, the problem is that they cost 50-100% more for the same performance while being far louder.
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2
Keep in mind that that review is actually a favourable scenario for aios since they didn't wait an hour for water temperatures to rise.

So from a performance standpoint the H100i v2 or otherwise isn't that impressive.
If price is a concern then it's plain bad.
If noise is a concern then it's abysmal.
If cost is no object then it's laughably outclassed by proper watercooling.

Of course you can gimp the comparision if you compare >100$ aios with <50$ low profile coolers and ignore noise levels but honestly that's just utterly retarded.

Apart from getting low profile parts for the sake of getting low profile making no sense. I'm not sure which low profile noctua cooler you mean since there's multiple, but even if you mean the largest, the NH-L12S it absolutely does affect performance significantly.

RAM speed and timings have always mattered. I suggest you try reading again what I wrote.
[quote=Setsul]RAM speed is not about multitasking.[/quote]
The benefits of faster RAM will not magically multiply by opening spotify. Nor will they disappear when there's only a single program running.
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#2738
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Setsul#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

I've removed the mobo before just to make sure things would be removed easily for when I do decide to upgrade and that cable was just NOT having it.

As it stands since I bought my CPU already. maybe $200... $300 if necessary. Its possible to purchase singular cables for modular PSUs from Corsair (with shipping right now is $4.89).

[quote=Setsul]#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.[/quote]

I've removed the mobo before just to make sure things would be removed easily for when I do decide to upgrade and that cable was just NOT having it.

As it stands since I bought my CPU already. maybe $200... $300 if necessary. Its possible to purchase singular cables for modular PSUs from Corsair (with shipping right now is $4.89).
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#2739
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ATX 24 pin? I know the locks can be very stubborn. Instead of pressing on the top with your finger until it hurts lift the bottom with a small screwdriver, then put a second one in the gap so it stays open. That way you can focus on pulling up instead of having to hold the lock open.
Wasn't aware that Corsair is selling singular cables, since to be honest I really do not keep up to date on stuff like that, I thought that was your problem. Considering shipping you're not going to get a fitting cable much cheaper. Best not to take the risk of getting the wrong pinout to save 1$.

If you want a proper mobo (6 cores + OC and all that, wouldn't cheap out) e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QNX2FT/asrock-z370-extreme4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-extreme4
RAM prices on pcp are apparently not being updated frequently or not properly so you might have to search manually.

16 GB could be doable <300$, obviously not <200$.
8GB now and upgrading later is obviously better than cheaping out on the mobo.

ATX 24 pin? I know the locks can be very stubborn. Instead of pressing on the top with your finger until it hurts lift the bottom with a small screwdriver, then put a second one in the gap so it stays open. That way you can focus on pulling up instead of having to hold the lock open.
Wasn't aware that Corsair is selling singular cables, since to be honest I really do not keep up to date on stuff like that, I thought that was your problem. Considering shipping you're not going to get a fitting cable much cheaper. Best not to take the risk of getting the wrong pinout to save 1$.

If you want a proper mobo (6 cores + OC and all that, wouldn't cheap out) e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QNX2FT/asrock-z370-extreme4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-extreme4
RAM prices on pcp are apparently not being updated frequently or not properly so you might have to search manually.

16 GB could be doable <300$, obviously not <200$.
8GB now and upgrading later is obviously better than cheaping out on the mobo.
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#2740
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For cooling my main issue is sound for the most part but I'm not looking to exactly push the OC to its limit. What are my best options if I do take my budget to $200 after purchasing RAM which may be $100~

For cooling my main issue is sound for the most part but I'm not looking to exactly push the OC to its limit. What are my best options if I do take my budget to $200 after purchasing RAM which may be $100~
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#2741
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Want to upgrade my pc.

Current specs:
- GeForce GTX 960
- i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz
- 2x4GB RAM

(Don't remember the other specs like motherboard sadly)

Goal:
A) To be able to run tf2 well while streaming. (When streaming it often feels like I have 80fps even though the game might say I have 180. Fps also drops significantly if I stream 60fps or 1080p (god forbid both).
B) Running tf2 (in 1080p) with fps that never goes below 144 fps on mids (I have mastercoms cfg, dx8, no-hats mod 1080)
C) Run more modern games at a more acceptable frame rate:
PUBG - In 1600x900 with fps config and all settings to lowest, fps is around 60-100. I know the game is poorly optimized but I still would like some more fps than this, preferrably 144fps at 900p.
Witcher 3 - I have to play on second lowest to get 60fps stable, second lowest for 144fps stable. [1080p]
Borderlands 2/TPS - I have everything on lowest 1080p, still goes below 144fps a lot

The changes I think will help me reach my goal:
- GeForce GTX 1060
- i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz
- Some form of 16GB RAM
- Better cooling system, I think the fans I have are not very effective.

I don't know if all of these things are entirely necessary for my goals to be reached and also don't know which variations of RAM, GTX1060, cooling system is best. Maybe there is something else I should do as well or a part that is not entirely necessary from my list.

Budget:
Less than 10.000 SEK (1016.27 EUROS)

Any exchanged parts I would also like some assistance on what price range is reasonable for re-selling them. Bought this pc pre-built (hopefully not gonna do that anymore) in april of 2015.

I could really use some assistance. Big thanks to anyone willing to help out.

[b]Want to upgrade my pc.[/b]

[u]Current specs:[/u]
- GeForce GTX 960
- i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz
- 2x4GB RAM

(Don't remember the other specs like motherboard sadly)

[u]Goal: [/u]
A) To be able to run tf2 well while streaming. (When streaming it often feels like I have 80fps even though the game might say I have 180. Fps also drops significantly if I stream 60fps or 1080p (god forbid both).
B) Running tf2 (in 1080p) with fps that never goes below 144 fps on mids (I have mastercoms cfg, dx8, no-hats mod 1080)
C) Run more modern games at a more acceptable frame rate:
[b]PUBG[/b] - In 1600x900 with fps config and all settings to lowest, fps is around 60-100. I know the game is poorly optimized but I still would like some more fps than this, preferrably 144fps at 900p.
[b]Witcher 3[/b] - I have to play on second lowest to get 60fps stable, second lowest for 144fps stable. [1080p]
[b]Borderlands 2/TPS[/b] - I have everything on lowest 1080p, still goes below 144fps a lot

[u]The changes I think will help me reach my goal:[/u]
- GeForce GTX 1060
- i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz
- Some form of 16GB RAM
- Better cooling system, I think the fans I have are not very effective.

I don't know if all of these things are entirely necessary for my goals to be reached and also don't know which variations of RAM, GTX1060, cooling system is best. Maybe there is something else I should do as well or a part that is not entirely necessary from my list.

[u]Budget:[/u]
[b]Less[/b] than 10.000 SEK (1016.27 EUROS)

Any exchanged parts I would also like some assistance on what price range is reasonable for re-selling them. Bought this pc pre-built (hopefully not gonna do that anymore) in april of 2015.

I could really use some assistance. Big thanks to anyone willing to help out.
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#2742
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CollaideWant to upgrade my pc.

Current specs:
- GeForce GTX 960
- i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz
- 2x4GB RAM

(Don't remember the other specs like motherboard sadly)

Goal:
A) To be able to run tf2 well while streaming. (When streaming it often feels like I have 80fps even though the game might say I have 180. Fps also drops significantly if I stream 60fps or 1080p (god forbid both).
B) Running tf2 (in 1080p) with fps that never goes below 144 fps on mids (I have mastercoms cfg, dx8, no-hats mod 1080)
C) Run more modern games at a more acceptable frame rate:
PUBG - In 1600x900 with fps config and all settings to lowest, fps is around 60-100. I know the game is poorly optimized but I still would like some more fps than this, preferrably 144fps at 900p.
Witcher 3 - I have to play on second lowest to get 60fps stable, second lowest for 144fps stable. [1080p]
Borderlands 2/TPS - I have everything on lowest 1080p, still goes below 144fps a lot

The changes I think will help me reach my goal:
- GeForce GTX 1060
- i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz
- Some form of 16GB RAM
- Better cooling system, I think the fans I have are not very effective.

I don't know if all of these things are entirely necessary for my goals to be reached and also don't know which variations of RAM, GTX1060, cooling system is best. Maybe there is something else I should do as well or a part that is not entirely necessary from my list.

Budget:
Less than 10.000 SEK (1016.27 EUROS)

Any exchanged parts I would also like some assistance on what price range is reasonable for re-selling them. Bought this pc pre-built (hopefully not gonna do that anymore) in april of 2015.

I could really use some assistance. Big thanks to anyone willing to help out.

I'm able to stream at 1080p/60 fps while playing tf2 and getting 200 fps + pubg low settings at a constant 120 fps @ 1080p with a gtx 1060 6gb and i5 8600k 0c to 47000 mhz. You'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.

[quote=Collaide][b]Want to upgrade my pc.[/b]

[u]Current specs:[/u]
- GeForce GTX 960
- i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz
- 2x4GB RAM

(Don't remember the other specs like motherboard sadly)

[u]Goal: [/u]
A) To be able to run tf2 well while streaming. (When streaming it often feels like I have 80fps even though the game might say I have 180. Fps also drops significantly if I stream 60fps or 1080p (god forbid both).
B) Running tf2 (in 1080p) with fps that never goes below 144 fps on mids (I have mastercoms cfg, dx8, no-hats mod 1080)
C) Run more modern games at a more acceptable frame rate:
[b]PUBG[/b] - In 1600x900 with fps config and all settings to lowest, fps is around 60-100. I know the game is poorly optimized but I still would like some more fps than this, preferrably 144fps at 900p.
[b]Witcher 3[/b] - I have to play on second lowest to get 60fps stable, second lowest for 144fps stable. [1080p]
[b]Borderlands 2/TPS[/b] - I have everything on lowest 1080p, still goes below 144fps a lot

[u]The changes I think will help me reach my goal:[/u]
- GeForce GTX 1060
- i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz
- Some form of 16GB RAM
- Better cooling system, I think the fans I have are not very effective.

I don't know if all of these things are entirely necessary for my goals to be reached and also don't know which variations of RAM, GTX1060, cooling system is best. Maybe there is something else I should do as well or a part that is not entirely necessary from my list.

[u]Budget:[/u]
[b]Less[/b] than 10.000 SEK (1016.27 EUROS)

Any exchanged parts I would also like some assistance on what price range is reasonable for re-selling them. Bought this pc pre-built (hopefully not gonna do that anymore) in april of 2015.

I could really use some assistance. Big thanks to anyone willing to help out.[/quote]

I'm able to stream at 1080p/60 fps while playing tf2 and getting 200 fps + pubg low settings at a constant 120 fps @ 1080p with a gtx 1060 6gb and i5 8600k 0c to 47000 mhz. You'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.
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#2743
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MilanYou'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.

Could you please elaborate on this?

As previously mentioned I already have an i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz which is an i7??? What would the upsides and downsides to switch it out for a i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz?

[quote=Milan]You'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.[/quote]
Could you please elaborate on this?

As previously mentioned I already have an i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz which is an i7??? What would the upsides and downsides to switch it out for a i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz?
2744
#2744
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CollaideMilanYou'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.Could you please elaborate on this?

As previously mentioned I already have an i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz which is an i7??? What would the upsides and downsides to switch it out for a i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz?

With coffeelake, intel increased the physical cores of i5 to 6 so the performance increase was pretty big and an i5 8600k overclocks as well and at times better than the 8700k. In gaming benchmarks show the i5 8600k outperforming the i7 7700k from last gen and equal to the 8700k in most titles. Basically unless you'll be doing tasks that will need hyperthreading 6 core 12 threads there's no need to go for the i7 8700k as the new i5 is as good when it comes to gaming/streaming.

[quote=Collaide][quote=Milan]You'd save money not spending for an I7 unless you need it for work related stuff.[/quote]
Could you please elaborate on this?

As previously mentioned I already have an i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz which is an i7??? What would the upsides and downsides to switch it out for a i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz?[/quote]

With coffeelake, intel increased the physical cores of i5 to 6 so the performance increase was pretty big and an i5 8600k overclocks as well and at times better than the 8700k. In gaming benchmarks show the i5 8600k outperforming the i7 7700k from last gen and equal to the 8700k in most titles. Basically unless you'll be doing tasks that will need hyperthreading 6 core 12 threads there's no need to go for the i7 8700k as the new i5 is as good when it comes to gaming/streaming.
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#2745
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#2740
So 100$ for RAM + 200$ for the rest, right?
I'd still recommend the same mobo and a midrange cooler.
Lots of options.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/smbp99/be-quiet-cpu-cooler-bk015
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JgCrxr/enermax-ets-t50-axe-black-623-cfm-cpu-cooler-ets-t50a-bvt
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mjdqqs/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc12dx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jK8H99/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5universal
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TsL7YJ/thermalright-cpu-cooler-machodirect

#2741
A) Welcome to TF2. You could change the CPU preset but it would mostly be solved by throwing more cores at it.
B) How many fps are you getting now with those settings? Realistically you're going to get 10% IPC (more realistically 5%) at best and the rest is clockrate. So going from 4.0 GHz turbo 4790 to for example Coffee Lake (doesn't matter which exactly since >4 threads won't help) at 4.8 GHz oc would get you 30% at best. Do the math.
C) Yeah, just need a GPU upgrade for that.

PUBG: Good luck getting 144 fps. https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1532/graphs/Very_Low.png
Witcher 3: GPU upgrade.
Borderlands 2/TPS: Averages would be easy, no drops isn't happening. https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2014/games/blps-bench-1.jpg
Again do the math, but you'll have to throw a lot of CPU power at it to get the drops above 144 fps.

Are you going to overclock?
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.

#2740
So 100$ for RAM + 200$ for the rest, right?
I'd still recommend the same mobo and a midrange cooler.
Lots of options.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/smbp99/be-quiet-cpu-cooler-bk015
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JgCrxr/enermax-ets-t50-axe-black-623-cfm-cpu-cooler-ets-t50a-bvt
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mjdqqs/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc12dx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jK8H99/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5universal
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TsL7YJ/thermalright-cpu-cooler-machodirect

#2741
A) Welcome to TF2. You could change the CPU preset but it would mostly be solved by throwing more cores at it.
B) How many fps are you getting now with those settings? Realistically you're going to get 10% IPC (more realistically 5%) at best and the rest is clockrate. So going from 4.0 GHz turbo 4790 to for example Coffee Lake (doesn't matter which exactly since >4 threads won't help) at 4.8 GHz oc would get you 30% at best. Do the math.
C) Yeah, just need a GPU upgrade for that.

PUBG: Good luck getting 144 fps. https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1532/graphs/Very_Low.png
Witcher 3: GPU upgrade.
Borderlands 2/TPS: Averages would be easy, no drops isn't happening. https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2014/games/blps-bench-1.jpg
Again do the math, but you'll have to throw a lot of CPU power at it to get the drops above 144 fps.


Are you going to overclock?
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.
2746
#2746
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Setsul#2741
A) Welcome to TF2. You could change the CPU preset but it would mostly be solved by throwing more cores at it.
B) How many fps are you getting now with those settings? Realistically you're going to get 10% IPC (more realistically 5%) at best and the rest is clockrate. So going from 4.0 GHz turbo 4790 to for example Coffee Lake (doesn't matter which exactly since >4 threads won't help) at 4.8 GHz oc would get you 30% at best. Do the math.
C) Yeah, just need a GPU upgrade for that.

PUBG: Good luck getting 144 fps. https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1532/graphs/Very_Low.png
Witcher 3: GPU upgrade.
Borderlands 2/TPS: Averages would be easy, no drops isn't happening. https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2014/games/blps-bench-1.jpg
Again do the math, but you'll have to throw a lot of CPU power at it to get the drops above 144 fps.

Are you going to overclock?
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.

A) What do you mean by throwing more cores at it?
B) I'm fairly often getting less than 144fps, especially on midfights, death match and pubs with a large playercount. I mean I haven't ran any proper tests but I really do notice the drops. Do you think it's worth updating the CPU? I am a layman in this area so I don't really understand the talk about IPC...
C) Which version of the GTX 1060 would you recommend?

I am willing to play PUBG in 900p but nevertheless I just want more fps in that game don't care if it's 144 stable.

I don't think I'm gonna overclock but I don't want to rule it out as a possibility.

And RAM memory, would you recommend upgrading to 16?

[quote=Setsul]#2741
A) Welcome to TF2. You could change the CPU preset but it would mostly be solved by throwing more cores at it.
B) How many fps are you getting now with those settings? Realistically you're going to get 10% IPC (more realistically 5%) at best and the rest is clockrate. So going from 4.0 GHz turbo 4790 to for example Coffee Lake (doesn't matter which exactly since >4 threads won't help) at 4.8 GHz oc would get you 30% at best. Do the math.
C) Yeah, just need a GPU upgrade for that.

PUBG: Good luck getting 144 fps. https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1532/graphs/Very_Low.png
Witcher 3: GPU upgrade.
Borderlands 2/TPS: Averages would be easy, no drops isn't happening. https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2014/games/blps-bench-1.jpg
Again do the math, but you'll have to throw a lot of CPU power at it to get the drops above 144 fps.

Are you going to overclock?
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.[/quote]
A) What do you mean by throwing more cores at it?
B) I'm fairly often getting less than 144fps, especially on midfights, death match and pubs with a large playercount. I mean I haven't ran any proper tests but I really do notice the drops. Do you think it's worth updating the CPU? I am a layman in this area so I don't really understand the talk about IPC...
C) Which version of the GTX 1060 would you recommend?

I am willing to play PUBG in 900p but nevertheless I just want more fps in that game don't care if it's 144 stable.

I don't think I'm gonna overclock but I don't want to rule it out as a possibility.

And RAM memory, would you recommend upgrading to 16?
2747
#2747
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A) Quantity over quality. Streaming can use as many cores as you throw at it so 8 cores at a lower clockrate will still run circles around 4 cores because you're never going to get those to twice the clockrate. It's the opposite for games where more cores rarely do much (at least beyond a certain point) and even a minor increase in clockrate gets you more than multiple additional cores.
B) IPC = work done per cycle. So basically speed = IPC * clockrate. Bottom line is if you're streaming the 8700K can't get to the single core turbo of 4.7, it's only going to run at 4.3, maybe 4.4. So best case is something like 15% more fps while streaming and the stutter gone and maybe 20% more while you're not streaming. Unless you overclock.
C) Depends on how much is left of the budget.

PUBG is basically a pile of shit. I mean any somewhat decently clocked quad core gets you 100 fps on very low. No matter how much single threaded performance and cores you add you only end up getting another 20 fps at best and looks like it's GPU limited. On the other hand cranking all settings up to the max only costs 20 fps so it doesn't seem to be GPU limited after all.

RAM is very expensive right now but it might not get cheaper anytime soon. Per GB 16 should be a bit cheaper so you might as well.

To summarize:
TF2: Streaming: more cores will definitely help.
Not streaming: 20% at best if you don't overclock. More if you do.
Modern games: You're not CPU limited even now, so only the GPU will matter.
PUBG: GPU upgrade should help, CPU won't do much. 4790 would be somewhere between the 8100 and 7700K, so once the GPU isn't the limiting factor anymore a better CPU will get you maybe 5 fps (see benchmark).
Witcher 3: Same as modern games. GPU only.
BL2/TPS: Definitely not GPU limited. Should be around the same as TF2 when not streaming. Unsure if more cores will help the minimum fps (averages are already high enough) so I wouldn't bet on getting more.

Basically other than streaming you will get somewhere between 0 and 20% more fps* if you're not overclocking. Considering you will have to buy a cooler and Z mobo (and decided on the 8700K, so unlocked CPU as well) you'd be spending over half your budget (+ RAM) on overclockable hardware. For "up to 20%" this really does not seem to be worth it.
If you only care about the streaming there's cheaper options.
If you want extra performance then actually commit to it and overclock.

*not counting borderlands because minimum fps are different and difficult to predict. Could be more, could be less.

A) Quantity over quality. Streaming can use as many cores as you throw at it so 8 cores at a lower clockrate will still run circles around 4 cores because you're never going to get those to twice the clockrate. It's the opposite for games where more cores rarely do much (at least beyond a certain point) and even a minor increase in clockrate gets you more than multiple additional cores.
B) IPC = work done per cycle. So basically speed = IPC * clockrate. Bottom line is if you're streaming the 8700K can't get to the single core turbo of 4.7, it's only going to run at 4.3, maybe 4.4. So best case is something like 15% more fps while streaming and the stutter gone and maybe 20% more while you're not streaming. Unless you overclock.
C) Depends on how much is left of the budget.

PUBG is basically a pile of shit. I mean any somewhat decently clocked quad core gets you 100 fps on very low. No matter how much single threaded performance and cores you add you only end up getting another 20 fps at best and looks like it's GPU limited. On the other hand cranking all settings up to the max only costs 20 fps so it doesn't seem to be GPU limited after all.

RAM is very expensive right now but it might not get cheaper anytime soon. Per GB 16 should be a bit cheaper so you might as well.


To summarize:
TF2: Streaming: more cores will definitely help.
Not streaming: 20% at best if you don't overclock. More if you do.
Modern games: You're not CPU limited even now, so only the GPU will matter.
PUBG: GPU upgrade should help, CPU won't do much. 4790 would be somewhere between the 8100 and 7700K, so once the GPU isn't the limiting factor anymore a better CPU will get you maybe 5 fps (see benchmark).
Witcher 3: Same as modern games. GPU only.
BL2/TPS: Definitely not GPU limited. Should be around the same as TF2 when not streaming. Unsure if more cores will help the minimum fps (averages are already high enough) so I wouldn't bet on getting more.

Basically other than streaming you will get somewhere between 0 and 20% more fps* if you're not overclocking. Considering you will have to buy a cooler and Z mobo (and decided on the 8700K, so unlocked CPU as well) you'd be spending over half your budget (+ RAM) on overclockable hardware. For "up to 20%" this really does not seem to be worth it.
If you only care about the streaming there's cheaper options.
If you want extra performance then actually commit to it and overclock.

*not counting borderlands because minimum fps are different and difficult to predict. Could be more, could be less.
2748
#2748
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So to summarize it even shorter, you think I should get ram and new GPU, overclock my current CPU and buy cooler instead? (And worry about potential CPU upgrade and motherboard in the future?)

EDIT: With that said, anybody know the cheapest good cooler, which Ram is preferable (4x4, 2x8,1x16), do I need to buy something else like power supply, toolkit to put it all together (I didn't build my pc by myself), which 1060 GPU gets me most value for my money?

So to summarize it even shorter, you think I should get ram and new GPU, overclock my current CPU and buy cooler instead? (And worry about potential CPU upgrade and motherboard in the future?)

EDIT: With that said, anybody know the cheapest good cooler, which Ram is preferable (4x4, 2x8,1x16), do I need to buy something else like power supply, toolkit to put it all together (I didn't build my pc by myself), which 1060 GPU gets me most value for my money?
2749
#2749
2 Frags +

You can't overclock your current CPU.

You should:
-definitely get a GPU
-either get a 8600K or 8700K and actually overclock it if you want more fps in those CPU limited games or
-get something cheaper with >4 cores (e.g. 1600(X)) if you only want streaming performance to improve

Also

SetsulCurrent case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.
You can't overclock your current CPU.

You should:
-definitely get a GPU
-either get a 8600K or 8700K and actually overclock it if you want more fps in those CPU limited games or
-get something cheaper with >4 cores (e.g. 1600(X)) if you only want streaming performance to improve

Also
[quote=Setsul]
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.[/quote]
2750
#2750
0 Frags +

Oh okay I misunderstood.

Idk what the case I have is called, I think it's not being sold where I bought it. I'll take a pic when I get home.

But thanks for all the help, I'll definitely tip you somehow

Oh okay I misunderstood.

Idk what the case I have is called, I think it's not being sold where I bought it. I'll take a pic when I get home.

But thanks for all the help, I'll definitely tip you somehow
2751
#2751
0 Frags +

Okay, so I'm 99% sure I have a "Corsair Carbide 200R" rebranded with a different logo than corsair.
Pic:

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Okay, so I'm 99% sure I have a "[url=https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-200R-Compact-Case/dp/B009GXZ8MM?tag=teamfortresst-20]Corsair Carbide 200R[/url]" rebranded with a different logo than corsair.
Pic:
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2752
#2752
0 Frags +

Looking to upgrade my PC

Current specs:
i7 4820K @ 3.7GHz (not OC'd yet)
GeForce GTX 760
16gb RAM
Gigabyte X79-UP4 motherboard

I'm looking to play some of the newer games at an acceptable framerate without having to turn everything down to low. Games like WatchDogs 2, Mafia 3, The Witcher 3, and whatever else comes out soon. It would be a bonus if it boosts my framerate in TF2.

I had my eyes set on a new graphics card only. Would you recommend either a GTX 1060 or 1070? Which brand? And would I need to change anything else to make sure everything runs smoothly?

Budget is around $650AUD.

Thanks

Looking to upgrade my PC

Current specs:
i7 4820K @ 3.7GHz (not OC'd yet)
GeForce GTX 760
16gb RAM
Gigabyte X79-UP4 motherboard

I'm looking to play some of the newer games at an acceptable framerate without having to turn everything down to low. Games like WatchDogs 2, Mafia 3, The Witcher 3, and whatever else comes out soon. It would be a bonus if it boosts my framerate in TF2.

I had my eyes set on a new graphics card only. Would you recommend either a GTX 1060 or 1070? Which brand? And would I need to change anything else to make sure everything runs smoothly?

Budget is around $650AUD.

Thanks
2753
#2753
0 Frags +
zfnLooking to upgrade my PC

Current specs:
i7 4820K @ 3.7GHz (not OC'd yet)
GeForce GTX 760
16gb RAM
Gigabyte X79-UP4 motherboard

I'm looking to play some of the newer games at an acceptable framerate without having to turn everything down to low. Games like WatchDogs 2, Mafia 3, The Witcher 3, and whatever else comes out soon. It would be a bonus if it boosts my framerate in TF2.

I had my eyes set on a new graphics card only. Would you recommend either a GTX 1060 or 1070? Which brand? And would I need to change anything else to make sure everything runs smoothly?

Budget is around $650AUD.

Thanks

Define acceptable framerate? If you're aiming for 60 fps at 1080p/ medium/high settings then the gtx 1060 6gb will be enough, you should be able to play quite a few on ultra settings however games like the witcher will have you playing at 50 fps. i'd recommend either going with evga or asus company wise however if you'd like to hit 60 fps in every game at ultra settings without ever going under then gtx 1070 is the way to go (this gives you the room to also game at 1440p if you plan on upgrading your monitor).

[quote=zfn]Looking to upgrade my PC

Current specs:
i7 4820K @ 3.7GHz (not OC'd yet)
GeForce GTX 760
16gb RAM
Gigabyte X79-UP4 motherboard

I'm looking to play some of the newer games at an acceptable framerate without having to turn everything down to low. Games like WatchDogs 2, Mafia 3, The Witcher 3, and whatever else comes out soon. It would be a bonus if it boosts my framerate in TF2.

I had my eyes set on a new graphics card only. Would you recommend either a GTX 1060 or 1070? Which brand? And would I need to change anything else to make sure everything runs smoothly?

Budget is around $650AUD.

Thanks[/quote]

Define acceptable framerate? If you're aiming for 60 fps at 1080p/ medium/high settings then the gtx 1060 6gb will be enough, you should be able to play quite a few on ultra settings however games like the witcher will have you playing at 50 fps. i'd recommend either going with evga or asus company wise however if you'd like to hit 60 fps in every game at ultra settings without ever going under then gtx 1070 is the way to go (this gives you the room to also game at 1440p if you plan on upgrading your monitor).
2754
#2754
0 Frags +

still on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something

still on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something
2755
#2755
0 Frags +
bowlstill on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something

Your rig is almost identical to my build :D
Personally never used a wrist strap and i doubt you need one.

[quote=bowl]still on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something[/quote]

Your rig is almost identical to my build :D
Personally never used a wrist strap and i doubt you need one.
2756
#2756
0 Frags +
Milanbowlstill on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something

Your rig is almost identical to my build :D
Personally never used a wrist strap and i doubt you need one.

neato do i need to like just touch the case first before i do anything?

[quote=Milan][quote=bowl]still on a mac and got somewhere, starting to build a pc so i can esea
taught myself a little bit and got alot of information but heres the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJwM8
only have the monitor, os, gpu, and ram left
how necessary is a anti static wriststrap cant i just touch the case or something[/quote]

Your rig is almost identical to my build :D
Personally never used a wrist strap and i doubt you need one.[/quote]

neato do i need to like just touch the case first before i do anything?
2757
#2757
0 Frags +

#2751
Seems a bit strange. You can also just measure what length/height GPU/cooler would fit.
Is the mobo full ATX?

Have you made a decision yet regarding the CPU?

#2752
A better GPU won't get you more fps in TF2.
And yes, define acceptable framerate.
60? 144?
1080p?
Medium or High or Ultra?

I wouldn't go by brand, rather by specific models. All brands have low end models, mid range and overpriced high end models.

FYI you might just about be able to afford a 1070 Ti. https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BFWrxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-video-card-gv-n107tgaming-oc-8gd
Of course only get one if you actually need the performance to get the fps you want. Depending on what you'd be content with even a 1070 might be overkill.

#2754
Why do you have windows in CAD in there?
As in you bought everything except the monitor, OS, GPU and RAM already? What is your budget?
No, just don't build on carpet and touch something grounded beforehand to be safe. A radiator, a lightning rod if you are athletically inclined, whatever you want. Assuming you're using a type B plug (grounded) the case of the PSU will be grounded when it's plugged in (even when turned off). The mounting screws will connect the PSU and the case. So if the PSU is already mounted inside the case and screwed and plugged in then touching the case works. Otherwise it doesn't. That's why you usually start with that when building, so the case is definitely not charged. You can unplug the PSU after that to prevent accidentally turning the pc on through a massive case of butterfingers.

#2751
Seems a bit strange. You can also just measure what length/height GPU/cooler would fit.
Is the mobo full ATX?

Have you made a decision yet regarding the CPU?

#2752
A better GPU won't get you more fps in TF2.
And yes, define acceptable framerate.
60? 144?
1080p?
Medium or High or Ultra?

I wouldn't go by brand, rather by specific models. All brands have low end models, mid range and overpriced high end models.

FYI you might just about be able to afford a 1070 Ti. https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BFWrxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-video-card-gv-n107tgaming-oc-8gd
Of course only get one if you actually need the performance to get the fps you want. Depending on what you'd be content with even a 1070 might be overkill.

#2754
Why do you have windows in CAD in there?
As in you bought everything except the monitor, OS, GPU and RAM already? What is your budget?
No, just don't build on carpet and touch something grounded beforehand to be safe. A radiator, a lightning rod if you are athletically inclined, whatever you want. Assuming you're using a type B plug (grounded) the case of the PSU will be grounded when it's plugged in (even when turned off). The mounting screws will connect the PSU and the case. So if the PSU is already mounted inside the case and screwed and plugged in then touching the case works. Otherwise it doesn't. That's why you usually start with that when building, so the case is definitely not charged. You can unplug the PSU after that to prevent accidentally turning the pc on through a massive case of butterfingers.
2758
#2758
-1 Frags +
Setsul
#2754
Why do you have windows in CAD in there?
As in you bought everything except the monitor, OS, GPU and RAM already? What is your budget?
No, just don't build on carpet and touch something grounded beforehand to be safe. A radiator, a lightning rod if you are athletically inclined, whatever you want. Assuming you're using a type B plug (grounded) the case of the PSU will be grounded when it's plugged in (even when turned off). The mounting screws will connect the PSU and the case. So if the PSU is already mounted inside the case and screwed and plugged in then touching the case works. Otherwise it doesn't. That's why you usually start with that when building, so the case is definitely not charged. You can unplug the PSU after that to prevent accidentally turning the pc on through a massive case of butterfingers.

so id be fine just touching the case while im on a hardwood floor to initally ground myself right
everything except the gpu and ram have been purchased

[quote=Setsul]

#2754
Why do you have windows in CAD in there?
As in you bought everything except the monitor, OS, GPU and RAM already? What is your budget?
No, just don't build on carpet and touch something grounded beforehand to be safe. A radiator, a lightning rod if you are athletically inclined, whatever you want. Assuming you're using a type B plug (grounded) the case of the PSU will be grounded when it's plugged in (even when turned off). The mounting screws will connect the PSU and the case. So if the PSU is already mounted inside the case and screwed and plugged in then touching the case works. Otherwise it doesn't. That's why you usually start with that when building, so the case is definitely not charged. You can unplug the PSU after that to prevent accidentally turning the pc on through a massive case of butterfingers.[/quote]
so id be fine just touching the case while im on a hardwood floor to initally ground myself right
everything except the gpu and ram have been purchased
2759
#2759
0 Frags +

Yes, if the case is grounded via a plugged in PSU.
Ok, any questions left?

Yes, if the case is grounded via a plugged in PSU.
Ok, any questions left?
2760
#2760
0 Frags +

I'm looking to build a new computer with the goal of being able to check it on an airplane without serious risk. Naturally, the GPU will come out and go in a separate suitcase, but I would prefer not having to remove the CPU heatsink or any other components. I have a hardshell suitcase that fits the box for my current case (200R) snugly.

I already have a 1TB SSD (SATA), but will probably want another of similar size to replace my storage HDD. Assume I don't have any other components to work with.

I'd like to be able to run games such as TF2 (@ 144hz), Dark Souls 3 (high settings preferably), Fortnite (minimal), and Path of Exile (minimal). Streaming isn't a concern.

Also, best performance for the budget in industry software like Altium Designer and Solidworks is desirable.

Support for VGA (can be through DVI-I) would be great.
Overclocking is fine.
Assume no OS/monitor/peripheral cost.

Budget is ~$1700, willing to do as much as $2000 if that's a better price point for this kind of build. I understand that checking a computer is retarded.

Thanks to Setsul & anyone else who may reply.

I'm looking to build a new computer with the goal of being able to check it on an airplane without serious risk. Naturally, the GPU will come out and go in a separate suitcase, but I would prefer not having to remove the CPU heatsink or any other components. I have a hardshell suitcase that fits the box for my current case ([url=https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018]200R[/url]) snugly.

I already have a 1TB SSD (SATA), but will probably want another of similar size to replace my storage HDD. Assume I don't have any other components to work with.

I'd like to be able to run games such as TF2 (@ 144hz), Dark Souls 3 (high settings preferably), Fortnite (minimal), and Path of Exile (minimal). Streaming isn't a concern.

Also, best performance for the budget in industry software like [url=http://www.altium.com/documentation/17.0/display/ADES/Altium+Designer+-+((System+Requirements))]Altium Designer[/url] and [url=https://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/shareyourscore.htm]Solidworks[/url] is desirable.

Support for VGA (can be through DVI-I) would be great.
Overclocking is fine.
Assume no OS/monitor/peripheral cost.

Budget is ~$1700, willing to do as much as $2000 if that's a better price point for this kind of build. I understand that checking a computer is retarded.

Thanks to Setsul & anyone else who may reply.
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