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2491
#2491
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SetsulOk, just making sure. Another 4 cores extra is obiously nice.

Yes, only TR4.

How are reviews with benchmarks that take days to run available on launch day? Just because you can't buy it yet and shops don't have it in stock yet (see your link) doesn't mean review sites don't have it already.
At this point most reviews are actually done and everyone is just waiting for the NDA date.

Yeah, I lost some common sense there haha. So for mobos I know what I need (I assume any of the 4 mobos listed on here), but what about RAM? Along with that, is there anything else needed to accommodate the better CPU/mobo (better cooling/power maybe)?

[quote=Setsul]Ok, just making sure. Another 4 cores extra is obiously nice.

Yes, only TR4.

How are reviews with benchmarks that take days to run available on launch day? Just because you can't buy it yet and shops don't have it in stock yet (see your link) doesn't mean review sites don't have it already.
At this point most reviews are actually done and everyone is just waiting for the NDA date.[/quote]
Yeah, I lost some common sense there haha. So for mobos I know what I need (I assume any of the 4 mobos listed on [url=https://www.proshop.dk/threadripper]here[/url]), but what about RAM? Along with that, is there anything else needed to accommodate the better CPU/mobo (better cooling/power maybe)?
2492
#2492
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Yes, any of those mobos would work.
RAM should be 4 sticks, other than that it can be exactly the same.
You'll need a different cooler, TR4 is physically larger than any cooler available so they wouldn't cover the whole CPU.
There's a list https://www.amd.com/en/thermal-solutions-threadripper but it's not complete.
I generally don't recommend Aios. The Hyper 212 and Freezer 33 aren't particularly impressive so if you can afford it I'd go with an NH-U12S or NH-U14S, TR4-SP3 version, http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail unless something better is released very soon.

The PSU should be fine, I couldn't find any better PSUs with more appropriate wattage in that shop, 750 or even 850W are overkill even for an 1950X + 1080 Ti.
Also since I just noticed it in the pcp list you used the old CX850M (green) which is quite a lot worse than the new one (grey), don't mess that up when you're actually ordering it.

Yes, any of those mobos would work.
RAM should be 4 sticks, other than that it can be exactly the same.
You'll need a different cooler, TR4 is physically larger than any cooler available so they wouldn't cover the whole CPU.
There's a list https://www.amd.com/en/thermal-solutions-threadripper but it's not complete.
I generally don't recommend Aios. The Hyper 212 and Freezer 33 aren't particularly impressive so if you can afford it I'd go with an NH-U12S or NH-U14S, TR4-SP3 version, http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail unless something better is released very soon.

The PSU should be fine, I couldn't find any better PSUs with more appropriate wattage in that shop, 750 or even 850W are overkill even for an 1950X + 1080 Ti.
Also since I just noticed it in the pcp list you used the old CX850M (green) which is quite a lot worse than the new one (grey), don't mess that up when you're actually ordering it.
2493
#2493
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SetsulYes, any of those mobos would work.
RAM should be 4 sticks, other than that it can be exactly the same.
You'll need a different cooler, TR4 is physically larger than any cooler available so they wouldn't cover the whole CPU.
There's a list https://www.amd.com/en/thermal-solutions-threadripper but it's not complete.
I generally don't recommend Aios. The Hyper 212 and Freezer 33 aren't particularly impressive so if you can afford it I'd go with an NH-U12S or NH-U14S, TR4-SP3 version, http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail unless something better is released very soon.

The PSU should be fine, I couldn't find any better PSUs with more appropriate wattage in that shop, 750 or even 850W are overkill even for an 1950X + 1080 Ti.
Also since I just noticed it in the pcp list you used the old CX850M (green) which is quite a lot worse than the new one (grey), don't mess that up when you're actually ordering it.

For the mobo, this or this? They're the same price, so would appreciate advice.
Good catch on the cooler, thanks. So just to sum it up;
CPU: 1950X
CPU cooler: NH-U12S
Motherboard: 1 or 2
Memory: 2x 8GB x2
HDD: 3TB
SSD: 250GB
GPU: 1080Ti
PSU: 850W (not the green one)
Case: Will this case work?
Editing to add prices, 13497 DKK (£1642) for the remaining parts, 18608 DKK (£2263) altogether. Only a tad over budget : )

[quote=Setsul]Yes, any of those mobos would work.
RAM should be 4 sticks, other than that it can be exactly the same.
You'll need a different cooler, TR4 is physically larger than any cooler available so they wouldn't cover the whole CPU.
There's a list https://www.amd.com/en/thermal-solutions-threadripper but it's not complete.
I generally don't recommend Aios. The Hyper 212 and Freezer 33 aren't particularly impressive so if you can afford it I'd go with an NH-U12S or NH-U14S, TR4-SP3 version, http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail unless something better is released very soon.

The PSU should be fine, I couldn't find any better PSUs with more appropriate wattage in that shop, 750 or even 850W are overkill even for an 1950X + 1080 Ti.
Also since I just noticed it in the pcp list you used the old CX850M (green) which is quite a lot worse than the new one (grey), don't mess that up when you're actually ordering it.[/quote]
For the mobo, [url=https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/ASRock-X399-TAICHI-Bundkort-AMD-X399-AMD-TR4-socket-DDR4-RAM-ATX-/2609391]this[/url] or [url=https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/MSI-X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC-Bundkort-AMD-X399-AMD-TR4-socket-DDR4-RAM-ATX-/2609209]this[/url]? They're the same price, so would appreciate advice.
Good catch on the cooler, thanks. So just to sum it up;
CPU: [url=https://www.proshop.dk/CPU/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-1950X-CPU-34-GHz-AMD-TR4-16-kerner-AMD-Boxed-PIB-no-cooler/2609211]1950X[/url]
CPU cooler: [url=https://www.alternate.dk/Noctua/NH-U12S-Processor-K%C3%B8ler-PC-k%C3%B8ler-CPU-k%C3%B8ler/html/product/1076314?event=search]NH-U12S[/url]
Motherboard: [url=https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/ASRock-X399-TAICHI-Bundkort-AMD-X399-AMD-TR4-socket-DDR4-RAM-ATX-/2609391]1[/url] or [url=https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/MSI-X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC-Bundkort-AMD-X399-AMD-TR4-socket-DDR4-RAM-ATX-/2609209]2[/url]
Memory: 2x [url=https://www.alternate.dk/Patriot/Viper-Elite-Series-DDR4-16GB-3000MHz-16GB-DDR4-3000Mhz-RAM-modul-Hukommelse/html/product/1304883]8GB x2[/url]
HDD: [url=https://www.alternate.dk/html/product/1289373]3TB[/url]
SSD: [url=https://www.alternate.dk/html/product/1163757]250GB[/url]
GPU: 1080Ti
PSU: [url=https://www.alternate.dk/Corsair/CX850M-850W-ATX-Sort-enhed-til-str%C3%B8mforsyning-PC-str%C3%B8mforsyning/html/product/1253700]850W (not the green one)[/url]
Case: Will [url=https://www.alternate.dk/Nanoxia/Deep-Silence-3-Midi-Tower-Sort-afsk%C3%A6rmning-og-stativ-til-computer-Towerkabinet/html/product/1149604]this[/url] case work?
Editing to add prices, 13497 DKK (£1642) for the remaining parts, 18608 DKK (£2263) altogether. Only a tad over budget : )
2494
#2494
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I won't judge mobos based on the number of LEDs and like I said there are no reviews yet.
The cooler you linked is not the TR4-SP3 version.
The case will work.

I won't judge mobos based on the number of LEDs and like I said there are no reviews yet.
The cooler you linked is not the TR4-SP3 version.
The case will work.
2495
#2495
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SetsulI won't judge mobos based on the number of LEDs and like I said there are no reviews yet.
The cooler you linked is not the TR4-SP3 version.
The case will work.

Found the cooler here, and along with other parts it only adds £8 to the total, as for the mobo, the only one of those two with a release date is the ASRock X399 Taichi on the 29th, so there's plenty of time until they come out. So with everything waiting on being released, is there anything else I need to think about? Mounting for the cooler is sorted, as both cooler/mobo are TR4, correct? Any other things I'll need like thermal paste?

[quote=Setsul]I won't judge mobos based on the number of LEDs and like I said there are no reviews yet.
The cooler you linked is not the TR4-SP3 version.
The case will work.[/quote]
Found the cooler [url=https://www.alternate.dk/null/NH-U12S-TR4-SP3/html/product/1375997]here[/url], and along with other parts it only adds £8 to the total, as for the mobo, the only one of those two with a release date is the ASRock X399 Taichi on the 29th, so there's plenty of time until they come out. So with everything waiting on being released, is there anything else I need to think about? Mounting for the cooler is sorted, as both cooler/mobo are TR4, correct? Any other things I'll need like thermal paste?
2496
#2496
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Yeah, if you don't want to wait any longer you can just decide on the mobo by getting whichever is in stock first.

Yes, cooler is sorted out, thermal paste is included.

Yeah, if you don't want to wait any longer you can just decide on the mobo by getting whichever is in stock first.

Yes, cooler is sorted out, thermal paste is included.
2497
#2497
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PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsMkQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsMkQV/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($79.44 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($54.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Mini Video Card ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $479.03

is the ssd worth it? is it dated? i consume most of my media online now so i no longer use very much space, except for a few games

do i spend a couple extra bucks to go 2133 -> 2400 on RAM? does it matter?

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsMkQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsMkQV/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($79.44 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($54.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($59.85 @ Amazon)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Mini Video Card ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $479.03

is the ssd worth it? is it dated? i consume most of my media online now so i no longer use very much space, except for a few games

do i spend a couple extra bucks to go 2133 -> 2400 on RAM? does it matter?
2498
#2498
1 Frags +

SSDs in general are worth it. I'd go for a slightly newer and faster SSD.

2133 or 2400 isn't what you should worry about. Timings and Dual Channel are more important. Single Channel/Stick means you're essentially only getting half the bandwidth you could get. I'd change the mobo to one with 4 slots (e.g. VDH, otherwise the same, but there's other options) so you can still add more RAM later if you want to.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($79.44 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Mini Video Card ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $504.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-08 06:59 EDT-0400

SSDs in general are worth it. I'd go for a slightly newer and faster SSD.

2133 or 2400 isn't what you should worry about. Timings and Dual Channel are more important. Single Channel/Stick means you're essentially only getting half the bandwidth you could get. I'd change the mobo to one with 4 slots (e.g. VDH, otherwise the same, but there's other options) so you can still add more RAM later if you want to.

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZKjr7]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZKjr7/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8gKhP6/intel-pentium-g4560-35ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80677g4560]Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($79.44 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qjs8TW/msi-b250m-pro-vdh-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-pro-vdh]MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($64.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TQ648d/geil-memory-glb48gb2400c15dc]GeIL - SUPER LUCE 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZJkcf/sk-hynix-sl308-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-hfs250g32tnd-n1a2a]SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($93.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G3H48d/zotac-geforce-gtx-1050-2gb-mini-video-card-zt-p10500a-10l]Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Mini Video Card[/url] ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c67wrH/thermaltake-case-ca1b200m1nn00]Thermaltake - Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($35.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $504.27
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-08 06:59 EDT-0400[/i]
2499
#2499
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Ok after my motherboard failed by some mystery fluid my CPU, motherboard and graphics card where all destroyed so currently i have 200 pounds or 258.60 dollars and i need to get a cpu, motherboard and gpu whats the best i can get for this budget, currently i was looking at an fx 4300 and a GIGABYTE 78LMT for the cpu and motherboard and a
Inno3D GeForce GTX 1050 2GB

thankyou to any and all who help, reply soon i need to buy my hardware before lan hopefully next Wednesday is when i plan to buy my gear!!!!

edit: i have 4 x ddr3 4gb sticks and an nzxt x61 cooler i also have an ssd and drives to spare

Ok after my motherboard failed by some mystery fluid my CPU, motherboard and graphics card where all destroyed so currently i have 200 pounds or 258.60 dollars and i need to get a cpu, motherboard and gpu whats the best i can get for this budget, currently i was looking at an fx 4300 and a GIGABYTE 78LMT for the cpu and motherboard and a
Inno3D GeForce GTX 1050 2GB

thankyou to any and all who help, reply soon i need to buy my hardware before lan hopefully next Wednesday is when i plan to buy my gear!!!!

edit: i have 4 x ddr3 4gb sticks and an nzxt x61 cooler i also have an ssd and drives to spare
2500
#2500
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Uhm, you know it's not a mystery fluid when you've got a liquid cooler? You might not want to use that again.
In fact if you do you will kill the next set of hardware as well.
RMA the cooler and ideally make them pay for equivalent new hardware.

Also please no FX-4300.

Uhm, you know it's not a mystery fluid when you've got a [b]liquid[/b] cooler? You might not want to use that again.
In fact if you do you will kill the next set of hardware as well.
RMA the cooler and ideally make them pay for equivalent new hardware.

Also please no FX-4300.
2501
#2501
0 Frags +
SetsulUhm, you know it's not a mystery fluid when you've got a liquid cooler? You might not want to use that again.
In fact if you do you will kill the next set of hardware as well.
RMA the cooler and ideally make them pay for equivalent new hardware.

Also please no FX-4300.

the cooler is fine ive checked it top to bottom and there is no leaking the fluid isnt coolant either it was coloured (kraken fluid isnt red) it wasnt from a part inside of the computer there are many factors but this isnt a concern the cooler is fine

regardless do you have any suggestions for a cpu board and gpu inside that budget?

[quote=Setsul]Uhm, you know it's not a mystery fluid when you've got a [b]liquid[/b] cooler? You might not want to use that again.
In fact if you do you will kill the next set of hardware as well.
RMA the cooler and ideally make them pay for equivalent new hardware.

Also please no FX-4300.[/quote]

the cooler is fine ive checked it top to bottom and there is no leaking the fluid isnt coolant either it was coloured (kraken fluid isnt red) it wasnt from a part inside of the computer there are many factors but this isnt a concern the cooler is fine

regardless do you have any suggestions for a cpu board and gpu inside that budget?
2502
#2502
1 Frags +

fx 4300 runs basically everything but frequently at mediocre framerates

i get 120+ fps consistently on tf2/csgo
around 80-100 on OW
15-30 on pubg

fx 4300 runs basically everything but frequently at mediocre framerates

i get 120+ fps consistently on tf2/csgo
around 80-100 on OW
15-30 on pubg
2503
#2503
0 Frags +
aierafx 4300 runs basically everything but frequently at mediocre framerates

i get 120+ fps consistently on tf2/csgo
around 80-100 on OW
15-30 on pubg

cheers for useful info

do you think the 1050 could make up for that i saw benchmarks of people running a 1050 and a 4300 on games like fallout and stuff and they got around 60 and some other guy said he gets 200 constant on csgo medium settings so i would assume that combo would run tf2 on dx 8 and a config quite well

[quote=aiera]fx 4300 runs basically everything but frequently at mediocre framerates

i get 120+ fps consistently on tf2/csgo
around 80-100 on OW
15-30 on pubg[/quote]

cheers for useful info

do you think the 1050 could make up for that i saw benchmarks of people running a 1050 and a 4300 on games like fallout and stuff and they got around 60 and some other guy said he gets 200 constant on csgo medium settings so i would assume that combo would run tf2 on dx 8 and a config quite well
2504
#2504
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Then how did that fluid get in?
The Kraken X61 is made by Asetek. Asetek typically uses a mix of water and propylene glycol as coolant. Aqueous solutions of propylene glycol turn red when they corrode metal.
So forgive me for having some doubts here.

Anyway I would look for used parts. There are simply no CPUs/mobos that use DDR3 available anymore, with the exception of some 4 year old leftover stock from Bulldozer based CPUs/APUs (e.g. FX series, already EOL), which no one bought for a reason. You can't afford to buy new DDR4 RAM either.

No, a faster GPU will not make your CPU any faster. That's the equivalent of adding an extra arm to compensate for a missing leg. Not going to run any faster with that.

Then how did that fluid get in?
The Kraken X61 is made by Asetek. Asetek typically uses a mix of water and propylene glycol as coolant. Aqueous solutions of propylene glycol turn red when they corrode metal.
So forgive me for having some doubts here.

Anyway I would look for used parts. There are simply no CPUs/mobos that use DDR3 available anymore, with the exception of some 4 year old leftover stock from Bulldozer based CPUs/APUs (e.g. FX series, already EOL), which no one bought for a reason. You can't afford to buy new DDR4 RAM either.

No, a faster GPU will not make your CPU any faster. That's the equivalent of adding an extra arm to compensate for a missing leg. Not going to run any faster with that.
2505
#2505
0 Frags +

if i am able to get a 250 quid budget
would an 8350 + 750TI be a good choice
should i put 150 into my cpu + mobo and 100 into my gpu or vise versa, thanks for help

also could anyone with a 750 ti currently tell me how it stacks up today

if i am able to get a 250 quid budget
would an 8350 + 750TI be a good choice
should i put 150 into my cpu + mobo and 100 into my gpu or vise versa, thanks for help

also could anyone with a 750 ti currently tell me how it stacks up today
2506
#2506
4 Frags +

No, FX-8350 isn't good either.
1050 is about 60% faster than a 750 Ti.

I just noticed I got 4 nerd stars now.

No, FX-8350 isn't good either.
1050 is about 60% faster than a 750 Ti.

I just noticed I got 4 nerd stars now.
2507
#2507
0 Frags +

Hi, I am looking to upgrade my graphics card but I'm not really sure what is worth it at the moment, I have a 150ish pound budget I would say and I would rather not go over it. I honestly know very little about computers, and the best upgrades so any help is appreciated.
My processor is: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30 GHz, I have 8gb of RAM and currently have the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti graphics card. As far as space is concerned I'm pretty sure I have enough space to do a decent size upgrade, and I believe I have a 1000w power supply.
Looking around on amazon I have found a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 768 CUDA Cores 4GB Memory DVI-I, HDMI 300W PSU but I'm not sure if it is the best option, and if anyone could tell me what is it would be greatly appreciated, thanks

Hi, I am looking to upgrade my graphics card but I'm not really sure what is worth it at the moment, I have a 150ish pound budget I would say and I would rather not go over it. I honestly know very little about computers, and the best upgrades so any help is appreciated.
My processor is: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30 GHz, I have 8gb of RAM and currently have the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti graphics card. As far as space is concerned I'm pretty sure I have enough space to do a decent size upgrade, and I believe I have a 1000w power supply.
Looking around on amazon I have found a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 768 CUDA Cores 4GB Memory DVI-I, HDMI 300W PSU but I'm not sure if it is the best option, and if anyone could tell me what is it would be greatly appreciated, thanks
2508
#2508
1 Frags +

There's not enough RX 570s in stock to get below/close to 150, so the 1050 Ti is basically the best GPU (and most expensive obviously) that is still within budget.

You won't get more fps in TF2 though, because that is CPU bound. Other than that a 1050 Ti should be about twice as fast as a 650 Ti. It actually needs less power so you don't even have to check which PSU you got, if the 650 Ti worked then the 1050 Ti will work just fine.

There's not enough RX 570s in stock to get below/close to 150, so the 1050 Ti is basically the best GPU (and most expensive obviously) that is still within budget.

You won't get more fps in TF2 though, because that is CPU bound. Other than that a 1050 Ti should be about twice as fast as a 650 Ti. It actually needs less power so you don't even have to check which PSU you got, if the 650 Ti worked then the 1050 Ti will work just fine.
2509
#2509
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Okay thanks Setsul, on the note of CPUs, is it worth upgrading that instead of a graphics card, I have heard that most of the time that upgrading a CPU generally isn't worth it but if it would be beneficial it would be a plus, recently I have noticed I will drop to less than a 100 frames on some maps with lots of people so I feel it might be good to get a new CPU then for frames instead of a graphics card, I would have a similar budget and my CPU is also quad core but if I were to upgrade it I wouldn't be sure what to look for to get, again any advice would be much appreciated thanks.

Okay thanks Setsul, on the note of CPUs, is it worth upgrading that instead of a graphics card, I have heard that most of the time that upgrading a CPU generally isn't worth it but if it would be beneficial it would be a plus, recently I have noticed I will drop to less than a 100 frames on some maps with lots of people so I feel it might be good to get a new CPU then for frames instead of a graphics card, I would have a similar budget and my CPU is also quad core but if I were to upgrade it I wouldn't be sure what to look for to get, again any advice would be much appreciated thanks.
2510
#2510
-1 Frags +

For TF2 yes, for everything else no.
Your motherboard is too old, there are no new CPUs that fit. New motherboard compatible with new CPUs also use DDR4 RAM and CPU + mobo + RAM really isn't doable with your budget.
You can look for a used i5-3570 (or 3570K) or i7-3770(K) if that is cheaper.

Your CPU is actually a dual core. 2 cores, but 4 threads. That is a thing.

For TF2 yes, for everything else no.
Your motherboard is too old, there are no new CPUs that fit. New motherboard compatible with new CPUs also use DDR4 RAM and CPU + mobo + RAM really isn't doable with your budget.
You can look for a used i5-3570 (or 3570K) or i7-3770(K) if that is cheaper.

Your CPU is actually a dual core. 2 cores, but 4 threads. That is a thing.
2511
#2511
0 Frags +

on the verge of building a new system and i was wondering if i should pull the trigger on a cpu+mb+ram bundle that includes a i7 7700k?

i'd save around 100-150€ or should i wait for coffee lake? i mainly only game so idk if i would benefit from more cores that much. i know it's kind of a dumb question but this is gonna be my first build so i'm kinda nervous

on the verge of building a new system and i was wondering if i should pull the trigger on a cpu+mb+ram bundle that includes a i7 7700k?

i'd save around 100-150€ or should i wait for coffee lake? i mainly only game so idk if i would benefit from more cores that much. i know it's kind of a dumb question but this is gonna be my first build so i'm kinda nervous
2512
#2512
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Antareson the verge of building a new system and i was wondering if i should pull the trigger on a cpu+mb+ram bundle that includes a i7 7700k?

i'd save around 100-150€ or should i wait for coffee lake? i mainly only game so idk if i would benefit from more cores that much. i know it's kind of a dumb question but this is gonna be my first build so i'm kinda nervous

wait for coffee lake anyway, i7 7700K prices will mostly likely fall even if you dont buy a coffee lake cpu

[quote=Antares]on the verge of building a new system and i was wondering if i should pull the trigger on a cpu+mb+ram bundle that includes a i7 7700k?

i'd save around 100-150€ or should i wait for coffee lake? i mainly only game so idk if i would benefit from more cores that much. i know it's kind of a dumb question but this is gonna be my first build so i'm kinda nervous[/quote]


wait for coffee lake anyway, i7 7700K prices will mostly likely fall even if you dont buy a coffee lake cpu
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#2513
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Yes, wait for Coffee Lake.
Higher clockrates as well, so if you don't plan on overclocking it'll be faster.
If you do plan on overclocking but don't think you'll need more cores/threads why get the i7-7700K instead of the i5-7600K? And in that case you could wait for the i3-8350K. Same 4 cores as the i5-7600K.

Yes, wait for Coffee Lake.
Higher clockrates as well, so if you don't plan on overclocking it'll be faster.
If you do plan on overclocking but don't think you'll need more cores/threads why get the i7-7700K instead of the i5-7600K? And in that case you could wait for the i3-8350K. Same 4 cores as the i5-7600K.
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#2514
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is coffee lakes release on the 21st or is that date bullcrap

is coffee lakes release on the 21st or is that date bullcrap
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#2515
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No, it's an official date. Except not for the release. Intel has announced that they will "unveil the 8th Generation Intel® Core™ processor" on 21.08.2017, meaning they will announce that it is in fact Coffee Lake and the best thing since sliced bread. Once Intel officially acknowledges that Coffee Lake is indeed a thing and part of the 8xxx Core iX lineup they can announce release dates for specific SKUs.
You can't just willy-nilly put a release date on your website and then release everything on that date. You have to put a date on your website and invite everyone to tell them how great it'll be once it's released and then tell them release date.

So the guess is still early september, maybe one or two SKUs (e.g. i7-8700K and i5-8600K) on the 21st, then the rest of the Desktop SKUs (possibly excluding those made from smaller dies, so only 6 cores, 2/4 cores later) probably in early September and then staggering the rest over the rest of the year.

No, it's an official date. Except not for the release. Intel has announced that they will "unveil the 8th Generation Intel® Core™ processor" on 21.08.2017, meaning they will announce that it is in fact Coffee Lake and the best thing since sliced bread. Once Intel officially acknowledges that Coffee Lake is indeed a thing and part of the 8xxx Core iX lineup they can announce release dates for specific SKUs.
You can't just willy-nilly put a release date on your website and then release everything on that date. You have to put a date on your website and invite everyone to tell them how great it'll be once it's released and then tell them release date.

So the guess is still early september, maybe one or two SKUs (e.g. i7-8700K and i5-8600K) on the 21st, then the rest of the Desktop SKUs (possibly excluding those made from smaller dies, so only 6 cores, 2/4 cores later) probably in early September and then staggering the rest over the rest of the year.
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#2516
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Hey Setsul, was just going to go buy the parts for my computer when I noticed the PSU has seemingly run out of stock and won't be back until the 12th/13th of September. Any recommended alternatives?

Hey Setsul, was just going to go buy the parts for my computer when I noticed the PSU has seemingly run out of stock and won't be back until the 12th/13th of September. Any recommended alternatives?
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#2517
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I'd have to look it up SLI or no SLI?
https://www.alternate.dk/Corsair/CX-750M-750W-ATX-Sort-enhed-til-str%C3%B8mforsyning-PC-str%C3%B8mforsyning/html/product/1253699?
is in stock and 750W should be plenty, even if you push both the 1080 Ti and 1950X to >300W. As long as it's a single 1080 Ti.
There are better PSUs but I don't know how much you've left.

I'd have to look it up SLI or no SLI?
https://www.alternate.dk/Corsair/CX-750M-750W-ATX-Sort-enhed-til-str%C3%B8mforsyning-PC-str%C3%B8mforsyning/html/product/1253699?
is in stock and 750W should be plenty, even if you push both the 1080 Ti and 1950X to >300W. As long as it's a single 1080 Ti.
There are better PSUs but I don't know how much you've left.
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#2518
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Looks good, can always upgrade the PSU should I ever decide to get a 2nd. As always, thanks for the help : )

Looks good, can always upgrade the PSU should I ever decide to get a 2nd. As always, thanks for the help : )
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#2519
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Alright, after finally getting everything situated and seemingly having enough cash I'm looking to execute a build that is somewhere in the 1K range. But I have a few questions that maybe you hardware hounds will know better since the last time I really kept up on hardware was nearly 8 years ago, and a lot has changed.

CPUs: I know Ryzen is all the rage right now, but ultimately with gaming, in the past the big selling point was the mhz/ghz rate (or when AMD did that weird alternate counting system, and then you had to convert it to ghz) and then roughly a decade ago people really went over the top for cores. But now I see threads are supposedly important as well outside of hyper-threading? So when deciding on what kind of a CPU to get, given that I will mainly be using said device for gaming, which of those 3 things should I really be the most interested in? Say for example a marginal price increase of 30$ nets me additional of one of the three, in which case would it be the best use of 30$? Are there yet even more factors that I should account for?

PSU: Years ago, when I built my first system (2010), a well meaning friend purchased for me as a gift a 900 watt power supply. My assumption is they just picked the biggest fanciest sounding one and bought that given that, at that time, PSUs were not very expensive - it's also corsair branded. It has never given me any problems whatsoever. I know that older PSUs can be a bit of a gamble in so far as a dying one can damage your other components, but exactly how stupid of an idea would it be to shove a 7 year old PSU in a new build given that, as far as power output goes, it will likely never be too little power in my lifetime? Is there a way to safely clean the thing and not kill myself in the process or a test I could run periodically to check on how its doing?

Future proofing: How many cores is it thought will be needed for gaming in the next decade? In ye olden days, it was always thought best to surpass whatever the current console generation was by x2 or more, but I know that the PS4 and Xbone have 8 core processors inside them. Is it at all likely that eventually, at the end of their life spans, gaming companies will start making games that can even utilize such a large number of cores in a PC environment? How necessary is it thought that things like crossfire and SLI may become? In general right now, and in the past, they were mostly things for hobbyists just to have to say they've got em'. Is it foreseeable that today's 1070's may need to be doubled up on in say the next 5 years?

Alright, after finally getting everything situated and seemingly having enough cash I'm looking to execute a build that is somewhere in the 1K range. But I have a few questions that maybe you hardware hounds will know better since the last time I really kept up on hardware was nearly 8 years ago, and a lot has changed.

CPUs: I know Ryzen is all the rage right now, but ultimately with gaming, in the past the big selling point was the mhz/ghz rate (or when AMD did that weird alternate counting system, and then you had to convert it to ghz) and then roughly a decade ago people really went over the top for cores. But now I see threads are supposedly important as well outside of hyper-threading? So when deciding on what kind of a CPU to get, given that I will mainly be using said device for gaming, which of those 3 things should I really be the most interested in? Say for example a marginal price increase of 30$ nets me additional of one of the three, in which case would it be the best use of 30$? Are there yet even more factors that I should account for?

PSU: Years ago, when I built my first system (2010), a well meaning friend purchased for me as a gift a 900 watt power supply. My assumption is they just picked the biggest fanciest sounding one and bought that given that, at that time, PSUs were not very expensive - it's also corsair branded. It has never given me any problems whatsoever. I know that older PSUs can be a bit of a gamble in so far as a dying one can damage your other components, but exactly how stupid of an idea would it be to shove a 7 year old PSU in a new build given that, as far as power output goes, it will likely never be too little power in my lifetime? Is there a way to safely clean the thing and not kill myself in the process or a test I could run periodically to check on how its doing?

Future proofing: How many cores is it thought will be needed for gaming in the next decade? In ye olden days, it was always thought best to surpass whatever the current console generation was by x2 or more, but I know that the PS4 and Xbone have 8 core processors inside them. Is it at all likely that eventually, at the end of their life spans, gaming companies will start making games that can even utilize such a large number of cores in a PC environment? How necessary is it thought that things like crossfire and SLI may become? In general right now, and in the past, they were mostly things for hobbyists just to have to say they've got em'. Is it foreseeable that today's 1070's may need to be doubled up on in say the next 5 years?
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#2520
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1K is not a range. What is the range?

CPU: MHz/GHz are largely meaningless which is why AMD originally came up with names like "4000+" for a 2400 MHz CPU which was supposed to be as fast or faster than a 4000 MHz Pentium 4. Because Intel tried to really cash in on people buying based on clockspeeds, being used to same clockspeed = same performance. The Pentium 4 ended up clocking very high and needing a lot of power to do so, while not delivering on the performance end. That's what happens when you let marketing decide which goals are more important for a new architecture.
By 3 things I assume you mean clockspeed, cores and hyperthreading (or SMT, the non-marketing name for it which everyone uses except Intel)? SMT is basically a crutch to speed things up when more cores would be useful without actually adding more cores. Intel let's you pay for it just like you'd have to for more cores, AMD leaves it enabled except on the low end where you have to disable something to justify the lower price without crippling the CPU completely. It ends up being basically a footnote and will be included in multithreaded performance considerations anyway. You don't have to care if the faster CPU is the one with 4 cores + SMT or the one with 6 cores but without SMT. Assuming the price is the same you'll buy the faster one either way. Generally speaking for games you want 4 threads, but going beyond that the usefullness quickly diminishes. One can argue for 6 or even 8 cores, but going from 8 to 16 would probably not change much. In fact with 16 cores (32 threads with SMT) some games (e.g. DiRT 4) can't even start because no one ever thought they'd have to run on a system with >=20 threads (disabling SMT does solve that problem for <=20 cores though). Anyway more on that later.
Clockrate is still important because beyond a handful of threads/cores games are usually limited by the performance per thread. As mentioned above simply comparing the clockrates won't work because different architectures perform differently at the same clockrate. E.g. the FX-8350 is clocked rather high but still much slower than the competition back when it was launched and now just laughably outclassed even by CPUs with lower clockrates.

PSU: Depends on the exact model. What you're asking right now is the same as asking me to tell you the top speed of a car based on age, manufacturer and length.
It's Corsair so it should at least have the basic protection circuits and won't set your PC on fire, other than that you'll now when it stops working when your PC suddenly turns off or won't start. There is no test beyond "Yep, it turned on, seems to be working" that you could do yourself and any proper test would cost more than a new PSU. I can only give you an estimate based on the model. There are good PSUs that can last a decade easily (and have the warranty to back up that claim) and there are others that I'd simply replace even if I wasn't concerned about the probably impending failure because a new, far better performing PSU will have paid itself through higher efficiency within a year.
Do no open a PSU. Seriously. Yes, if it's working correctly it should be safe but then there's no reason to open it. Compressed air works fine and doesn't void your warranty though that might be a moot point.

Future proofing: Has never worked. You're trying to predict the future and will most likely fail. Generally invest in a more powerful CPU since to replace it after a few years you'd have to replace the mobo (new sockets every couple of years) and RAM (DDR3->DDR4 was just done recently, but DDR5 is a thing that will happen sooner or later) as well. Performance increases are also larger on the GPU side so they will become outdated far sooner. So a 1070 will definitely not last forever. Whether or not it's enough for what you're going to run is a different story but you haven't told me.
SLI is pretty much dead because nVidia is blocking it on half of their GPUs and doesn't care much about drivers for it on the other half. So the performance benefit is either not worth it for the cost since you're paying more than twice (GPU + mobo + PSU) for 50-70% more fps if it works well (<30% if it does not) or the performance benefit is simply nonexistent because SLI isn't supported in that game. There are in theory ways for game developers to support multi GPU setups directly like explicit multiadapter in DX12 and similar things in Vulkan, but considering the lack of Vulkan games and how much devs are struggling to get games to perform better with DX12 than with DX11 that might take quite a while. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Ignore consoles. Actual multi platform games will be perform vastly different on PC because of all the shenanigans that only happen on consoles to be able to claim it's 1080p or 2K or 4K. Console ports can be divided into two categories: a) those that have been basically rewritten and again are so different from the console version that it's not worth comparing them and b) actual ports which always run like dogshit no matter how fast your hardware is.
Also in terms of CPU power they are really nothing to write home about. Remember when I wrote about how different architectures perform differently? The console CPUs (PS4/Xbox One and newer) are basically two Athlon 5350s bolted together. Not 8 cores instead of 4, literally two 4 core CPUs bolted together. Not exactly fast mobile CPUs at that.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/4
Keep in mind that the 3770K and 4770K are also just quad core CPUs and by now outdated. Sure, they are clocked at almost twice the speed (close to 4 GHz vs 2.05 GHz on the Athlon 5350), but the consoles aren't clocked any higher (PS4 1.6, Xbox One (S) 1.75, PS4 Pro 2.1, Xbox One X 2.3) and even at the same clockspeed and with twice the cores they wouldn't stack up favourably against outdated desktop quad cores. Yes, Microsoft likes to call the cores in the Xbox One X "highly customized" but that's like calling a house with a lime green paintjob "highly customized". Sure, it's different, but it doesn't really do anything and there were definitely better ways to spend that money.

1K is not a range. What is the range?

CPU: MHz/GHz are largely meaningless which is why AMD originally came up with names like "4000+" for a 2400 MHz CPU which was supposed to be as fast or faster than a 4000 MHz Pentium 4. Because Intel tried to really cash in on people buying based on clockspeeds, being used to same clockspeed = same performance. The Pentium 4 ended up clocking very high and needing a lot of power to do so, while not delivering on the performance end. That's what happens when you let marketing decide which goals are more important for a new architecture.
By 3 things I assume you mean clockspeed, cores and hyperthreading (or SMT, the non-marketing name for it which everyone uses except Intel)? SMT is basically a crutch to speed things up when more cores would be useful without actually adding more cores. Intel let's you pay for it just like you'd have to for more cores, AMD leaves it enabled except on the low end where you have to disable something to justify the lower price without crippling the CPU completely. It ends up being basically a footnote and will be included in multithreaded performance considerations anyway. You don't have to care if the faster CPU is the one with 4 cores + SMT or the one with 6 cores but without SMT. Assuming the price is the same you'll buy the faster one either way. Generally speaking for games you want 4 threads, but going beyond that the usefullness quickly diminishes. One can argue for 6 or even 8 cores, but going from 8 to 16 would probably not change much. In fact with 16 cores (32 threads with SMT) some games (e.g. DiRT 4) can't even start because no one ever thought they'd have to run on a system with >=20 threads (disabling SMT does solve that problem for <=20 cores though). Anyway more on that later.
Clockrate is still important because beyond a handful of threads/cores games are usually limited by the performance per thread. As mentioned above simply comparing the clockrates won't work because different architectures perform differently at the same clockrate. E.g. the FX-8350 is clocked rather high but still much slower than the competition back when it was launched and now just laughably outclassed even by CPUs with lower clockrates.

PSU: Depends on the exact model. What you're asking right now is the same as asking me to tell you the top speed of a car based on age, manufacturer and length.
It's Corsair so it should at least have the basic protection circuits and won't set your PC on fire, other than that you'll now when it stops working when your PC suddenly turns off or won't start. There is no test beyond "Yep, it turned on, seems to be working" that you could do yourself and any proper test would cost more than a new PSU. I can only give you an estimate based on the model. There are good PSUs that can last a decade easily (and have the warranty to back up that claim) and there are others that I'd simply replace even if I wasn't concerned about the probably impending failure because a new, far better performing PSU will have paid itself through higher efficiency within a year.
Do no open a PSU. Seriously. Yes, if it's working correctly it should be safe but then there's no reason to open it. Compressed air works fine and doesn't void your warranty though that might be a moot point.

Future proofing: Has never worked. You're trying to predict the future and will most likely fail. Generally invest in a more powerful CPU since to replace it after a few years you'd have to replace the mobo (new sockets every couple of years) and RAM (DDR3->DDR4 was just done recently, but DDR5 is a thing that will happen sooner or later) as well. Performance increases are also larger on the GPU side so they will become outdated far sooner. So a 1070 will definitely not last forever. Whether or not it's enough for what you're going to run is a different story but you haven't told me.
SLI is pretty much dead because nVidia is blocking it on half of their GPUs and doesn't care much about drivers for it on the other half. So the performance benefit is either not worth it for the cost since you're paying more than twice (GPU + mobo + PSU) for 50-70% more fps if it works well (<30% if it does not) or the performance benefit is simply nonexistent because SLI isn't supported in that game. There are in theory ways for game developers to support multi GPU setups directly like explicit multiadapter in DX12 and similar things in Vulkan, but considering the lack of Vulkan games and how much devs are struggling to get games to perform better with DX12 than with DX11 that might take quite a while. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Ignore consoles. Actual multi platform games will be perform vastly different on PC because of all the shenanigans that only happen on consoles to be able to claim it's 1080p or 2K or 4K. Console ports can be divided into two categories: a) those that have been basically rewritten and again are so different from the console version that it's not worth comparing them and b) actual ports which always run like dogshit no matter how fast your hardware is.
Also in terms of CPU power they are really nothing to write home about. Remember when I wrote about how different architectures perform differently? The console CPUs (PS4/Xbox One and newer) are basically two Athlon 5350s bolted together. Not 8 cores instead of 4, literally two 4 core CPUs bolted together. Not exactly fast mobile CPUs at that.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/4
Keep in mind that the 3770K and 4770K are also just quad core CPUs and by now outdated. Sure, they are clocked at almost twice the speed (close to 4 GHz vs 2.05 GHz on the Athlon 5350), but the consoles aren't clocked any higher (PS4 1.6, Xbox One (S) 1.75, PS4 Pro 2.1, Xbox One X 2.3) and even at the same clockspeed and with twice the cores they wouldn't stack up favourably against outdated desktop quad cores. Yes, Microsoft likes to call the cores in the Xbox One X "highly customized" but that's like calling a house with a lime green paintjob "highly customized". Sure, it's different, but it doesn't really do anything and there were definitely better ways to spend that money.
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