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#1951
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EricmurkscribeI'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.
Alright, thanks for the pointers. I've updated my initial post as follows:

Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be considerably better than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?

Well pauls hardware did a youtube using a os from kinguin for 20 bucks, I wouldn't get the 5 dollars, but it's just five dollars you could throw away. Also get your pc to 8gb since its within your budget now.

[quote=Eric][quote=murkscribe]
I'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.[/quote]
Alright, thanks for the pointers. I've updated my [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/684107/pc-build-thread]initial post[/url] as follows:

Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be considerably better than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?[/quote]

Well pauls hardware did a youtube using a os from kinguin for 20 bucks, I wouldn't get the 5 dollars, but it's just five dollars you could throw away. Also get your pc to 8gb since its within your budget now.
1952
#1952
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#1947
When are you going to build?
What settings are you going for?
I'm not a huge fan of the 860K for games, even the cheap Skylake Pentiums beat it in that and the more expensive ones even win in multithreaded.
Not a fan of the 200R either, not at that price.

1050 vs 460 depends on what you call "considerable". Should be single digit percent difference. I've seen the 460 go as low as 80$, when that happens it's hard to beat.

#1948
Yes, it will be good for content creation.
You will need a new motherboard.

I don't quite understand the logic though.
To me it sounds like "I like chocolate ice cream. So I'm going to buy chocolate ice cream. Unless they won't let me reuse my old cone, then I'll buy vanilla from the stand across the street because fuck them. I'll have to get a new cone there too though."
That don't make no sense to me.

Probably a moot point though, you're not going to get a CPU for christmas that'll be released in January. Unless you're talking about Christmas 2017 or even later.

#1947
When are you going to build?
What settings are you going for?
I'm not a huge fan of the 860K for games, even the cheap Skylake Pentiums beat it in that and the more expensive ones even win in multithreaded.
Not a fan of the 200R either, not at that price.

1050 vs 460 depends on what you call "considerable". Should be single digit percent difference. I've seen the 460 go as low as 80$, when that happens it's hard to beat.

#1948
Yes, it will be good for content creation.
You will need a new motherboard.

I don't quite understand the logic though.
To me it sounds like "I like chocolate ice cream. So I'm going to buy chocolate ice cream. Unless they won't let me reuse my old cone, then I'll buy vanilla from the stand across the street because fuck them. I'll have to get a new cone there too though."
That don't make no sense to me.

Probably a moot point though, you're not going to get a CPU for christmas that'll be released in January. Unless you're talking about Christmas 2017 or even later.
1953
#1953
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SetsulWhen are you going to build?

I want to buy it before Christmas and build it at the end of the year/early January, but if I can expect good savings I'd also be fine waiting through Q1 2017.

What settings are you going for?

I'm open to using the lowest possible settings. My main requirement is Overwatch at 75 FPS min, but of course I would love to be able to play in native resolution (1280 x 1024) or even 120 FPS min if I ever get a 120+hz.

I'm not a huge fan of the 860K for games, even the cheap Skylake Pentiums beat it in that and the more expensive ones even win in multithreaded.

I've heard conflicting conclusions comparing the 860K to something like the G4400. I'd like an i3-6100 but it's an extra $50.

Not a fan of the 200R either, not at that price.

What would you recommend? I don't know much about cases, although I am interested in the aesthetics. The 200R looks good and has tool-free installation.

1050 vs 460 depends on what you call "considerable". Should be single digit percent difference. I've seen the 460 go as low as 80$, when that happens it's hard to beat.

"Considerable" is based on this Overwatch benchmark.

This is v2 of my list. The case can be replaced with something cheaper/better, the motherboard I have no idea. I am considering an i3-6100; would that be worth the extra ~$50? What kind of settings could I expect with the i3-6100 vs the G4400? Also, would it be worth applying for the Amazon Rewards Visa for the $50 discount if I don't plan on using it often, if at all?

[quote=Setsul]When are you going to build?[/quote]
I want to buy it before Christmas and build it at the end of the year/early January, but if I can expect good savings I'd also be fine waiting through Q1 2017.

[quote]What settings are you going for?[/quote]
I'm open to using the lowest possible settings. My main requirement is Overwatch at 75 FPS min, but of course I would love to be able to play in native resolution (1280 x 1024) or even 120 FPS min if I ever get a 120+hz.

[quote]I'm not a huge fan of the 860K for games, even the cheap Skylake Pentiums beat it in that and the more expensive ones even win in multithreaded.[/quote]
I've heard conflicting conclusions comparing the 860K to something like the G4400. I'd like an i3-6100 but it's an extra $50.

[quote]Not a fan of the 200R either, not at that price.[/quote]
What would you recommend? I don't know much about cases, although I am interested in the aesthetics. The 200R looks good and has tool-free installation.

[quote]1050 vs 460 depends on what you call "considerable". Should be single digit percent difference. I've seen the 460 go as low as 80$, when that happens it's hard to beat.[/quote] "Considerable" is based on [url=https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3BlJQnm0--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pd6ntptktnn0nmsblhh3.png]this Overwatch benchmark[/url].

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wm9wm8]This is v2 of my list[/url]. The case can be replaced with something cheaper/better, the motherboard I have no idea. I am considering an i3-6100; would that be worth the extra ~$50? What kind of settings could I expect with the i3-6100 vs the G4400? Also, would it be worth applying for the Amazon Rewards Visa for the $50 discount if I don't plan on using it often, if at all?
1954
#1954
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If nothing else Kaby Lake should mean old Skylake parts will be cheaper. So waiting is a good idea.

1050/460 should indeed be good enough for that.

Basically 860K vs Haswell Pentiums (G3250 etc) was interesting because the 860K would win multithreaded but the Pentiums win single threaded hands down. So for games the Pentiums were the winners usually. Against Skylake Pentiums the multithreaded advantage is basically negligible and the 860K ends up having nothing going for it.
Case in point, Overwatch actually does have good multithreading unlike most other games and it still doesn't help the 860K enough.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/page5.html
So for 75fps either would work ok, but for 120 those 50$ would definitely be worth it.

I don't think looking good and having tool-free installation (which will only matter for one HDD you will install exactly once) excuses not having dust filters, only one fan and a non removable drive cage that blocks air flow.
I'd have to check which budget cases are cheap atm. In terms of asthetics would the Core 1100 be ok?

Techspot doesn't retest so that result is still with the godawful launch driver where the 460 was all over the place. With proper drivers the 460 is about as fast or faster than the 950 in every game (barring gameworks gimmicks) and not 30% faster in one game and then 30% slower in the next.
There's also the whole "unlock to 1024 Shaders" thing going on so that might give anyone who gets it to work another 10%.
Point is, it'd be good enough for what you want so if you need to shave money off somewhere and can find a cheap 460 that's where I'd start.

Maybe in 2017 AMD will actually have launch drivers that do not suck and nVidia will stop releasing drivers that kill GPUs every couple of months. One can only hope.

If nothing else Kaby Lake should mean old Skylake parts will be cheaper. So waiting is a good idea.

1050/460 should indeed be good enough for that.

Basically 860K vs Haswell Pentiums (G3250 etc) was interesting because the 860K would win multithreaded but the Pentiums win single threaded hands down. So for games the Pentiums were the winners usually. Against Skylake Pentiums the multithreaded advantage is basically negligible and the 860K ends up having nothing going for it.
Case in point, Overwatch actually does have good multithreading unlike most other games and it still doesn't help the 860K enough.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/page5.html
So for 75fps either would work ok, but for 120 those 50$ would definitely be worth it.

I don't think looking good and having tool-free installation (which will only matter for one HDD you will install exactly once) excuses not having dust filters, only one fan and a non removable drive cage that blocks air flow.
I'd have to check which budget cases are cheap atm. In terms of asthetics would the Core 1100 be ok?

Techspot doesn't retest so that result is still with the godawful launch driver where the 460 was all over the place. With proper drivers the 460 is about as fast or faster than the 950 in every game (barring gameworks gimmicks) and not 30% faster in one game and then 30% slower in the next.
There's also the whole "unlock to 1024 Shaders" thing going on so that might give anyone who gets it to work another 10%.
Point is, it'd be good enough for what you want so if you need to shave money off somewhere and can find a cheap 460 that's where I'd start.

Maybe in 2017 AMD will actually have launch drivers that do not suck and nVidia will stop releasing drivers that kill GPUs every couple of months. One can only hope.
1955
#1955
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SetsulIf nothing else Kaby Lake should mean old Skylake parts will be cheaper. So waiting is a good idea.

Is there a more precise timeframe for Kaby Lake than "early 2017?" How much will it drop the i3-6100 by? I'd definitely get the i3 if it was just $10-20 cheaper right now, if I have to wait until May or something I'd want like $40 cheaper.

I don't think looking good and having tool-free installation (which will only matter for one HDD you will install exactly once) excuses not having dust filters, only one fan and a non removable drive cage that blocks air flow.
I'd have to check which budget cases are cheap atm. In terms of asthetics would the Core 1100 be ok?

Oh okay, the 200R was just picked as a recommendation on Logical Increments, and I saw the 100R which was $8 cheaper and similar overall. The Core 1100 looks fine. Are top-mounted PSUs something I should avoid?

Techspot doesn't retest so that result is still with the godawful launch driver where the 460 was all over the place. With proper drivers the 460 is about as fast or faster than the 950 in every game (barring gameworks gimmicks) and not 30% faster in one game and then 30% slower in the next.
There's also the whole "unlock to 1024 Shaders" thing going on so that might give anyone who gets it to work another 10%.
Point is, it'd be good enough for what you want so if you need to shave money off somewhere and can find a cheap 460 that's where I'd start.

Right now it's only a $10 difference between the 460 and the 1050, and the 1050 still has better performance. According to Logical Increments, nVidia GPUs outperform their AMD equivalents in Overwatch specifically by ~10%. Are either of these going to drop in price soon?

Maybe in 2017 AMD will actually have launch drivers that do not suck and nVidia will stop releasing drivers that kill GPUs every couple of months. One can only hope.

I am concerned about nVidia drivers potentially killing GPUs. Should I be avoiding the 1050 on that alone? If it's not an issue, I'll probably get the 1050 and the i3-6100, potentially waiting a couple months if the price is going down more than $30. If it is an issue, then same story with the 460 instead?

[quote=Setsul]If nothing else Kaby Lake should mean old Skylake parts will be cheaper. So waiting is a good idea.[/quote]
Is there a more precise timeframe for Kaby Lake than "early 2017?" How much will it drop the i3-6100 by? I'd definitely get the i3 if it was just $10-20 cheaper right now, if I have to wait until May or something I'd want like $40 cheaper.

[quote]I don't think looking good and having tool-free installation (which will only matter for one HDD you will install exactly once) excuses not having dust filters, only one fan and a non removable drive cage that blocks air flow.
I'd have to check which budget cases are cheap atm. In terms of asthetics would the Core 1100 be ok?[/quote]
Oh okay, the 200R was just picked as a recommendation on Logical Increments, and I saw the 100R which was $8 cheaper and similar overall. The Core 1100 looks fine. Are top-mounted PSUs something I should avoid?

[quote]Techspot doesn't retest so that result is still with the godawful launch driver where the 460 was all over the place. With proper drivers the 460 is about as fast or faster than the 950 in every game (barring gameworks gimmicks) and not 30% faster in one game and then 30% slower in the next.
There's also the whole "unlock to 1024 Shaders" thing going on so that might give anyone who gets it to work another 10%.
Point is, it'd be good enough for what you want so if you need to shave money off somewhere and can find a cheap 460 that's where I'd start.[/quote]
Right now it's only a $10 difference between the 460 and the 1050, and the 1050 still has better performance. According to Logical Increments, nVidia GPUs outperform their AMD equivalents in Overwatch specifically by ~10%. Are either of these going to drop in price soon?

[quote]Maybe in 2017 AMD will actually have launch drivers that do not suck and nVidia will stop releasing drivers that kill GPUs every couple of months. One can only hope.[/quote]
I am concerned about nVidia drivers potentially killing GPUs. Should I be avoiding the 1050 on that alone? If it's not an issue, I'll probably get the 1050 and the i3-6100, potentially waiting a couple months if the price is going down more than $30. If it is an issue, then same story with the 460 instead?
1956
#1956
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January. At least that's what Intel planned.
I don't set the prices and I don't have a crystal ball. I won't speculate.

The point of a bottom mounted PSU is to have a seperate intake for it and not have the wires dangling around in front of your mobo. Overall case layout, features and price are more important though.

There are no "equivalents". It's also in flux due to updates. Compare current results to results from a few months ago.
And no, apart from deals they are not going to drop in price. All the competition for the next year or so is already out so prices have settled.

Just don't update immediately every time there's a new driver. In fact you don't need to update at all if the update doesn't improve performance in any games you own. But yeah, wait a few days, problems will usually be found within a few days and ideally make a backup before you update. Just in case something does go wrong and you get weird crashes.

January. At least that's what Intel planned.
I don't set the prices and I don't have a crystal ball. I won't speculate.

The point of a bottom mounted PSU is to have a seperate intake for it and not have the wires dangling around in front of your mobo. Overall case layout, features and price are more important though.

There are no "equivalents". It's also in flux due to updates. Compare current results to results from a few months ago.
And no, apart from deals they are not going to drop in price. All the competition for the next year or so is already out so prices have settled.

Just don't update immediately every time there's a new driver. In fact you don't need to update at all if the update doesn't improve performance in any games you own. But yeah, wait a few days, problems will usually be found within a few days and ideally make a backup before you update. Just in case something does go wrong and you get weird crashes.
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#1957
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Setsul#1948
Yes, it will be good for content creation.
You will need a new motherboard.

Considering it will be out by the new year, I'll probably just invest in a 120 Hz monitor instead, and wait for February and my birthday to roll around before I look into upgrading the CPU.

Another thing, I'm not very experienced with computer parts that much, but are amd's apus overclockable? It may be a dumb question but I'm asking since I want to get as much juice and performance out of it before I decide to upgrade.

[quote=Setsul]
#1948
Yes, it will be good for content creation.
You will need a new motherboard.[/quote]

Considering it will be out by the new year, I'll probably just invest in a 120 Hz monitor instead, and wait for February and my birthday to roll around before I look into upgrading the CPU.

Another thing, I'm not very experienced with computer parts that much, but are amd's apus overclockable? It may be a dumb question but I'm asking since I want to get as much juice and performance out of it before I decide to upgrade.
1958
#1958
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Yeah, that's a good idea.

Yes, AMD unlike Intel generally doesn't lock anything. Your motherboard needs to allow it as well though (various reasons).

Yeah, that's a good idea.

Yes, AMD unlike Intel generally doesn't lock anything. Your motherboard needs to allow it as well though (various reasons).
1959
#1959
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G3258 still the best route to go for budget build?

G3258 still the best route to go for budget build?
1960
#1960
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RRPG3258 still the best route to go for budget build?

i3 6100 but i would wait for Zen if you already have a serviceable system. Lots of newer games are glitchy on less than 4 threads.

[quote=RRP]G3258 still the best route to go for budget build?[/quote]
i3 6100 but i would wait for Zen if you already have a serviceable system. Lots of newer games are glitchy on less than 4 threads.
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#1961
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i know that the Zen is about to come out soon but the problem is that my friend needs the pc now

i know that the Zen is about to come out soon but the problem is that my friend needs the pc [b]now[/b]
1962
#1962
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#1959
Depends on the budget and what it'd be used for.

#1959
Depends on the budget and what it'd be used for.
1963
#1963
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Alright, so this is pretty much my final build plus accessories:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($23.99)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($34.99)
Power Supply: EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply ($29.99)
Video Card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 DirectX 12 GV-N1050D5-2GD 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 ATX Video Cards ($113.99)
Other: Topwin 1.8M Displayport DP Male To DVI-D Male Adapter Cable ($7.79)
Other: ADATA S102 Pro 32 GB USB 3.0 Ultra Fast Read Speed up to 90 MB/s Flash Drive, Grey (AS102P-32G-RGY) ($11.99)
Total: $440.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-16 18:20 EST-0500

My last question is, should I get the Fractal Design Core 1100 for $35 or a used NZXT Phantom 240 for $40 (potentially lower)? As a first time computer buyer, I'm hesitant to buy used off craigslist in case there's something wrong with the part that I won't notice, but the Phantom seems to be way below retail value and better for future upgrades(?).

EDIT: Can someone let me know if I got my monitor situation right? Acer AL1619 C, I currently use VGA to connect to my laptop. My mobo has DVI & HDMI while my GPU has DVI, HDMI, & DP. Am I right in getting the DVI-D to DP, or should I be using HDMI/DVI adapters? Will the DVI-D to DP support 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz?

Alright, so this is pretty much my final build plus accessories:
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jN8zXH]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jN8zXH/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2MN-0004-00002&ignorebbr=1]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($109.99)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157685&ignorebbr=1]ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($47.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148856&ignorebbr=1]Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory[/url] ($23.99)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016JREGAC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=teamfortresst-20]Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($59.99)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352039&ignorebbr=1]Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($34.99)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LV8TZAG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=teamfortresst-20]EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.99)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1]GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 DirectX 12 GV-N1050D5-2GD 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 ATX Video Cards[/url] ($113.99)
[b]Other:[/b] [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAUJ41K8182&ignorebbr=1]Topwin 1.8M Displayport DP Male To DVI-D Male Adapter Cable[/url] ($7.79)
[b]Other:[/b] [url=https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005Y8C2IG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=teamfortresst-20]ADATA S102 Pro 32 GB USB 3.0 Ultra Fast Read Speed up to 90 MB/s Flash Drive, Grey (AS102P-32G-RGY)[/url] ($11.99)
[b]Total:[/b] [b]$440.70[/b]
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-16 18:20 EST-0500[/i]

My last question is, should I get the Fractal Design Core 1100 for $35 or a [url=https://lansing.craigslist.org/sop/5921058074.html]used NZXT Phantom 240[/url] for $40 (potentially lower)? As a first time computer buyer, I'm hesitant to buy used off craigslist in case there's something wrong with the part that I won't notice, but the Phantom seems to be way below retail value and better for future upgrades(?).

EDIT: Can someone let me know if I got my monitor situation right? [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009129]Acer AL1619 C[/url], I currently use VGA to connect to my laptop. My mobo has DVI & HDMI while my GPU has DVI, HDMI, & DP. Am I right in getting the DVI-D to DP, or should I be using HDMI/DVI adapters? Will the DVI-D to DP support 1280x1024 @ 75 Hz?
1964
#1964
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Dude spend yourself an extra 20 dollars and get a get 8gb, don't skimp out.

Dude spend yourself an extra 20 dollars and get a get 8gb, don't skimp out.
1965
#1965
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murkscribeDude spend yourself an extra 20 dollars and get a get 8gb, don't skimp out.

^this
Also DDR4 2600 is like $4 more expensive and will net you a nice FPS boost on some games.
Consider swapping that gtx 1050 and 400 watt psu for a oem seasonic and a 7970/280x. It would be significantly faster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252637599696

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291973391712

The 7970 sits in between the GTX 1050ti and the rx 470 netting you about a 40% performance improvement on the same budget. PSU is better quality to and opens up a wider rang of upgrades for the future.

As for the case i would def go with the NZXT Phantom.

[quote=murkscribe]Dude spend yourself an extra 20 dollars and get a get 8gb, don't skimp out.[/quote]
^this
Also DDR4 2600 is like $4 more expensive and will net you a nice FPS boost on some games.
Consider swapping that gtx 1050 and 400 watt psu for a oem seasonic and a 7970/280x. It would be significantly faster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252637599696

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291973391712

The 7970 sits in between the GTX 1050ti and the rx 470 netting you about a 40% performance improvement on the same budget. PSU is better quality to and opens up a wider rang of upgrades for the future.

As for the case i would def go with the NZXT Phantom.
1966
#1966
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Help, trying to get win 10 to my new built pc, but mediacreation wont recognize my usb drive. Even tho it shows up in file folder.

Help, trying to get win 10 to my new built pc, but mediacreation wont recognize my usb drive. Even tho it shows up in file folder.
1967
#1967
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barcaphilipHelp, trying to get win 10 to my new built pc, but mediacreation wont recognize my usb drive. Even tho it shows up in file folder.

https://rufus.akeo.ie/

[quote=barcaphilip]Help, trying to get win 10 to my new built pc, but mediacreation wont recognize my usb drive. Even tho it shows up in file folder.[/quote]
https://rufus.akeo.ie/
1968
#1968
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Can you explain what that actually is? Sorry for being a novice in the matter but im clueless. I have the program but now Im complete lost. what do i do

Can you explain what that actually is? Sorry for being a novice in the matter but im clueless. I have the program but now Im complete lost. what do i do
1969
#1969
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barcaphilipCan you explain what that actually is? Sorry for being a novice in the matter but im clueless. I have the program but now Im complete lost. what do i do

It rips the ISO to your USB drive and makes it bootable.

[quote=barcaphilip]Can you explain what that actually is? Sorry for being a novice in the matter but im clueless. I have the program but now Im complete lost. what do i do[/quote]
It rips the ISO to your USB drive and makes it bootable.
1970
#1970
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Is the ISO the mediacreationtool? embarrising how clueless i am

Is the ISO the mediacreationtool? embarrising how clueless i am
1971
#1971
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barcaphilipIs the ISO the mediacreationtool? embarrising how clueless i am

Im just going to add you on steam and walk you through it.

[quote=barcaphilip]Is the ISO the mediacreationtool? embarrising how clueless i am[/quote]
Im just going to add you on steam and walk you through it.
1972
#1972
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Huge shoutout to screwb for helping me!

Huge shoutout to screwb for helping me!
1973
#1973
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Went over #1963's build with him

Managed to fit

i5 4570
8gb ddr3 1600
HD 7970
256gb SSD

in the same budget.

Went over #1963's build with him

Managed to fit

i5 4570
8gb ddr3 1600
HD 7970
256gb SSD

in the same budget.
1974
#1974
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Setsul#1915
Budget?
Overclocking yes/no?
What are you going to use it for?

Sorry for not responding earlier...

My budget is around $1300 (Canadian). Planning to make purchases around the end of the year (We get Boxing Day sales in Canada).

I don't plan to Overclock, but my friend and I compared the i5 6500k and 6600k, and the latter is only a slight price increase for more processing power, and the ability to OC is an added bonus.

Want to build a general-use computer suitable for gaming and editing. Currently have a micro-ATX board in an ATX-mid-size case, and I'd like to keep the same size case or smaller.

[quote=Setsul]#1915
Budget?
Overclocking yes/no?
What are you going to use it for?[/quote]

Sorry for not responding earlier...

My budget is around $1300 (Canadian). Planning to make purchases around the end of the year (We get Boxing Day sales in Canada).

I don't plan to Overclock, but my friend and I compared the i5 6500k and 6600k, and the latter is only a slight price increase for more processing power, and the ability to OC is an added bonus.

Want to build a general-use computer suitable for gaming and editing. Currently have a micro-ATX board in an ATX-mid-size case, and I'd like to keep the same size case or smaller.
1975
#1975
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#1963
I don't understand the problem with the adapter. Monitor got DVI, GPU got DVI, get a DVI cable.

#1965
We've talked about 600W PSUs.

Also you seem a bit obsessed with recommending OEM Seasonic PSUs and used 7970s.

I have my doubts that the 7970 will perform as well as you think it will in Overwatch.
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1180/bench/1080p.png
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overwatch.png

Look where the 380 ends up.

#1974
There is no i5-6500K. You're talking about the i5-6500.
The i5-6600 and i5-6600K are not the same either. The 6600K doesn't come with a cooler so you'll need to buy one.
You'll also need a motherboard that supports overclocking All in all the difference is around 100$.

Overclocking support is only worth it if you're actually going to use it.

Depending on what GPU you'll need, which depends on how much performance you want in games, you could consider an i7 for editing. What would be the most demanding you'd play and what resolution/settings/fps are you going for?

#1963
I don't understand the problem with the adapter. Monitor got DVI, GPU got DVI, get a DVI cable.

#1965
We've talked about 600W PSUs.

Also you seem a bit obsessed with recommending OEM Seasonic PSUs and used 7970s.

I have my doubts that the 7970 will perform as well as you think it will in Overwatch.
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1180/bench/1080p.png
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overwatch.png

Look where the 380 ends up.

#1974
There is no i5-6500K. You're talking about the i5-6500.
The i5-6600 and i5-6600K are not the same either. The 6600K doesn't come with a cooler so you'll need to buy one.
You'll also need a motherboard that supports overclocking All in all the difference is around 100$.

Overclocking support is only worth it if you're actually going to use it.

Depending on what GPU you'll need, which depends on how much performance you want in games, you could consider an i7 for editing. What would be the most demanding you'd play and what resolution/settings/fps are you going for?
1976
#1976
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Setsul#1965
We've talked about 600W PSUs.

Cheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM

Also you seem a bit obsessed with recommending OEM Seasonic PSUs and used 7970s.

Cheapest good quality PSU and decent GPU available.

I have my doubts that the 7970 will perform as well as you think it will in Overwatch.
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1180/bench/1080p.png
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overwatch.png

Look where the 380 ends up.

Looks fine to me. I'm running a 7970 and can maintain over 144 fps on low 1080p high textures and filtering.
Overwatch is notoriously poorly optimized for AMD cards. A few FPS more in Overcuck isn't worth fewer FPS in almost everything else.

[quote=Setsul]
#1965
We've talked about 600W PSUs.[/quote] Cheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM

[quote] Also you seem a bit obsessed with recommending OEM Seasonic PSUs and used 7970s.[/quote]
Cheapest good quality PSU and decent GPU available.

[quote] I have my doubts that the 7970 will perform as well as you think it will in Overwatch.
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1180/bench/1080p.png
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1269/bench/Overwatch.png

Look where the 380 ends up.
[/quote]
Looks fine to me. I'm running a 7970 and can maintain over 144 fps on low 1080p high textures and filtering.
Overwatch is notoriously poorly optimized for AMD cards. A few FPS more in Overcuck isn't worth fewer FPS in almost everything else.
1977
#1977
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ScrewballCheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM

1. Wrong. 500W and 550W are cheaper. Even from the same seller.
2. Wrong. You can get a new 500B (that means you get 3 years warranty instead of none) for less.
3. How many times do I have to repeat this? What the fuck would you need 600W for? I'm taking any bet the mobo you picked doesn't support 8x/8x and without watercooling a GPU drawing 500W will just catch fire.

Be reasonable.
1. Seasonic isn't the only OEM out there.
2. 400W (500W if you absolutely must) is plenty for these kinds of builds.
3. 20$ for a used 400-500W PSU is ok. 30$ is ok if there are really no deals available. 45$ when new PSUs of similar performance sell for 40$ is not ok. 45$ when new PSUs with far better performance (e.g. CXM450) cost 50$ is not ok.
I mean even an S12II 520W sells for 47.98$. Are you really going to argue that in the category of decent 500W+ 80+ Bronze PSUs a used SS-600ET for 44.95$ is a better deal than a new SS-520GB for 47.98$? 3 years warranty vs none and literally twice as good in every metric is not worth 3$?
If you insist that the lowest price wins what about an SS-500ET for 40$? Why are those 600W so important?

ScrewballLooks fine to me. I'm running a 7970 and can maintain over 144 fps on low 1080p high textures and filtering.
Overwatch is notoriously poorly optimized for AMD cards. A few FPS more in Overcuck isn't worth fewer FPS in almost everything else.

So what? He wants fps in Overwatch. More fps in games he doesn't play don't help.
I know you love your 7970, but Jesus, that doesn't mean everyone needs one.

[quote=Screwball]Cheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM[/quote]
1. Wrong. 500W and 550W are cheaper. Even from the same seller.
2. Wrong. You can get a new 500B (that means you get 3 years warranty instead of none) for less.
3. How many times do I have to repeat this? What the fuck would you need 600W for? I'm taking any bet the mobo you picked doesn't support 8x/8x and without watercooling a GPU drawing 500W will just catch fire.

Be reasonable.
1. Seasonic isn't the only OEM out there.
2. 400W (500W if you absolutely must) is plenty for these kinds of builds.
3. 20$ for a used 400-500W PSU is ok. 30$ is ok if there are really no deals available. 45$ when new PSUs of similar performance sell for 40$ is not ok. 45$ when new PSUs with far better performance (e.g. CXM450) cost 50$ is not ok.
I mean even an [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/fZyFf7/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii520bronze]S12II 520W[/url] sells for 47.98$. Are you really going to argue that in the category of decent 500W+ 80+ Bronze PSUs a used SS-600ET for 44.95$ is a better deal than a new SS-520GB for 47.98$? 3 years warranty vs none and literally twice as good in every metric is not worth 3$?
If you insist that the lowest price wins what about an SS-500ET for 40$? Why are those 600W so important?


[quote=Screwball]
Looks fine to me. I'm running a 7970 and can maintain over 144 fps on low 1080p high textures and filtering.
Overwatch is notoriously poorly optimized for AMD cards. A few FPS more in Overcuck isn't worth fewer FPS in almost everything else.[/quote]
So what? He wants fps in Overwatch. More fps in games he doesn't play don't help.
I know you love your 7970, but Jesus, that doesn't mean everyone needs one.
1978
#1978
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SetsulScrewballCheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM1. Wrong. 500W and 550W are cheaper. Even from the same seller.

The 500 watt is known to have coil whine.

2. Wrong. You can get a new 500B (that means you get 3 years warranty instead of none) for less.

That is more expensive and put him over budget.

3. How many times do I have to repeat this? What the fuck would you need 600W for? I'm taking any bet the mobo you picked doesn't support 8x/8x and without watercooling a GPU drawing 500W will just catch fire.

Future upgradability and overclocking. Also you don't want to be drawing close to the limit of the PSU if you can avoid it even if the PSU is rated high enough. It reduces efficiency and increases noise.

1. Seasonic isn't the only OEM out there.

But it is a consistently good OEM

2. 400W (500W if you absolutely must) is plenty for these kinds of builds.

A OC'd 7970 can draw 300 watts on it's own. http://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/1333919389dsIgHKgld7_9_1.gif

3. 20$ for a used 400-500W PSU is ok. 30$ is ok if there are really no deals available. 45$ when new PSUs of similar performance sell for 40$ is not ok. 45$ when new PSUs with far better performance (e.g. CXM450) cost 50$ is not ok.
I mean even an S12II 520W sells for 47.98$. Are you really going to argue that in the category of decent 500W+ 80+ Bronze PSUs a used SS-600ET for 44.95$ is a better deal than a new SS-520GB for 47.98$? 3 years warranty vs none and literally twice as good in every metric is not worth 3$?

That seasonic was listed as $35 shipped last night.

If you insist that the lowest price wins what about an SS-500ET for 40$? Why are those 600W so important?

Coil whine

So what? He wants fps in Overwatch. More fps in games he doesn't play don't help.
I know you love your 7970, but Jesus, that doesn't mean everyone needs one.

Everything else is more expensive AND slower. The 7970 is by FAR the best GPU you can get for under 100 USD. Also your graphs are obsolete. The Radeon Relive drivers gave a significant FPS boost in Overwatch to all AMD cards.

[quote=Setsul][quote=Screwball]Cheapest 80+ bronze 500watts+ available ATM[/quote]
1. Wrong. 500W and 550W are cheaper. Even from the same seller.[/quote]The 500 watt is known to have coil whine.
[quote]2. Wrong. You can get a new 500B (that means you get 3 years warranty instead of none) for less.[/quote] That is more expensive and put him over budget.
[quote]3. How many times do I have to repeat this? What the fuck would you need 600W for? I'm taking any bet the mobo you picked doesn't support 8x/8x and without watercooling a GPU drawing 500W will just catch fire.[/quote]
Future upgradability and overclocking. Also you don't want to be drawing close to the limit of the PSU if you can avoid it even if the PSU is rated high enough. It reduces efficiency and increases noise.

[quote]1. Seasonic isn't the only OEM out there.[/quote] But it is a consistently good OEM
[quote]2. 400W (500W if you absolutely must) is plenty for these kinds of builds.[/quote] A OC'd 7970 can draw 300 watts on it's own. http://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/1333919389dsIgHKgld7_9_1.gif
[quote]3. 20$ for a used 400-500W PSU is ok. 30$ is ok if there are really no deals available. 45$ when new PSUs of similar performance sell for 40$ is not ok. 45$ when new PSUs with far better performance (e.g. CXM450) cost 50$ is not ok.
I mean even an [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/fZyFf7/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii520bronze]S12II 520W[/url] sells for 47.98$. Are you really going to argue that in the category of decent 500W+ 80+ Bronze PSUs a used SS-600ET for 44.95$ is a better deal than a new SS-520GB for 47.98$? 3 years warranty vs none and literally twice as good in every metric is not worth 3$?[/quote] That seasonic was listed as $35 shipped last night.
[quote]If you insist that the lowest price wins what about an SS-500ET for 40$? Why are those 600W so important?[/quote]Coil whine

[quote]
So what? He wants fps in Overwatch. More fps in games he doesn't play don't help.
I know you love your 7970, but Jesus, that doesn't mean everyone needs one.[/quote]
Everything else is more expensive AND slower. The 7970 is by FAR the best GPU you can get for under 100 USD. Also your graphs are obsolete. The Radeon Relive drivers gave a significant FPS boost in Overwatch to all AMD cards.
1979
#1979
3 Frags +
ScrewballThat is more expensive and put him over budget.

So you didn't get the one for 45$ I guess.

ScrewballFuture upgradability and overclocking. Also you don't want to be drawing close to the limit of the PSU if you can avoid it even if the PSU is rated high enough. It reduces efficiency and increases noise.

No. That CPU can't be overclocked and you won't get the GPU to draw 500W.
And no, that's not how you should size a PSU. 80+ Bronze means >85% at half load and >82% at full load. Those 3% won't kill you. We're also talking about two models with the exact same fan which, surprisingly, will spin at the same speed for the same power dissipation.

ScrewballBut it is a consistently good OEM

I wouldn't limit myself to one OEM when limited by the budget that much.

ScrewballCoil whine

Consistently good but half the models are "do not buy" because of coil whine. Uhm...

ScrewballA OC'd 7970 can draw 300 watts on it's own.

Still no need for 600W or even 500W.

ScrewballThat seasonic was listed as $35 shipped last night.

Still not great
I'm going to need a source for that. Why would the 500ET have coil whine but not the 600ET?

ScrewballEverything else is more expensive AND slower. The 7970 is by FAR the best GPU you can get for under 100 USD. Also your graphs are obsolete. The Radeon Relive drivers gave a significant FPS boost in Overwatch to all AMD cards.

What did he end up paying for it?
Because getting a used GPU that draws 4 times as much power for 20$ less is not "by FAR the best GPU" but rather simply a used GPU. That's how buying used things work. If you pay more for something used than for something new with the same performance there'd be no point.

Glad to hear they got their shit together, but I still want to see a source for that.

[quote=Screwball]That is more expensive and put him over budget.[/quote]
So you didn't get the one for 45$ I guess.
[quote=Screwball]
Future upgradability and overclocking. Also you don't want to be drawing close to the limit of the PSU if you can avoid it even if the PSU is rated high enough. It reduces efficiency and increases noise.
[/quote]
No. That CPU can't be overclocked and you won't get the GPU to draw 500W.
And no, that's not how you should size a PSU. 80+ Bronze means >85% at half load and >82% at full load. Those 3% won't kill you. We're also talking about two models with the exact same fan which, surprisingly, will spin at the same speed for the same power dissipation.

[quote=Screwball]But it is a consistently good OEM[/quote]
I wouldn't limit myself to one OEM when limited by the budget that much.
[quote=Screwball]Coil whine[/quote]
Consistently good but half the models are "do not buy" because of coil whine. Uhm...

[quote=Screwball]A OC'd 7970 can draw 300 watts on it's own.[/quote]
Still no need for 600W or even 500W.
[quote=Screwball]
That seasonic was listed as $35 shipped last night.
[/quote]
Still not great
I'm going to need a source for that. Why would the 500ET have coil whine but not the 600ET?
[quote=Screwball]
Everything else is more expensive AND slower. The 7970 is by FAR the best GPU you can get for under 100 USD. Also your graphs are obsolete. The Radeon Relive drivers gave a significant FPS boost in Overwatch to all AMD cards.[/quote]
What did he end up paying for it?
Because getting a used GPU that draws 4 times as much power for 20$ less is not "by FAR the best GPU" but rather simply a used GPU. That's how buying used things work. If you pay more for something used than for something new with the same performance there'd be no point.

Glad to hear they got their shit together, but I still want to see a source for that.
1980
#1980
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Setsul#1938
#1939
February is good, Kaby Lake should be out by then.

Overclocking would be linear performance gains with clockrate increase. We'll see how well Kaby Lake overclocks and how it's priced. Not really worth it if it costs 100$ more than the 4.1 GHz i3 and only gets up to 4.5. If it ends up being <200$ and getting closer to 5 GHz then yes please.
There's two ways to kill a CPU: heat and voltage. It'll just throttle or even shut off if it overheats so you'd have to disable the safe voltage limits in BIOS and then mess up and put in something too high. So I'd say it's fairly difficult to mess up.

With closed source drivers both AMD and nVidia should work fine.

Should I start working out a list of components or wait until Kaby Lake? It probably makes sense to buy most of the stuff in the post Christmas sales right?
Is Falcon's guide (logicalincrements.com) still a good way to do that?

[quote=Setsul]#1938
#1939
February is good, Kaby Lake should be out by then.

Overclocking would be linear performance gains with clockrate increase. We'll see how well Kaby Lake overclocks and how it's priced. Not really worth it if it costs 100$ more than the 4.1 GHz i3 and only gets up to 4.5. If it ends up being <200$ and getting closer to 5 GHz then yes please.
There's two ways to kill a CPU: heat and voltage. It'll just throttle or even shut off if it overheats so you'd have to disable the safe voltage limits in BIOS and then mess up and put in something too high. So I'd say it's fairly difficult to mess up.

With closed source drivers both AMD and nVidia should work fine.
[/quote]
Should I start working out a list of components or wait until Kaby Lake? It probably makes sense to buy most of the stuff in the post Christmas sales right?
Is Falcon's guide (logicalincrements.com) still a good way to do that?
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