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#1921
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Setsul#1919
USB installer.

Dumb but where and how do I do that?

[quote=Setsul]
#1919
USB installer.[/quote]

Dumb but where and how do I do that?
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#1922
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#1921
Googling it takes literally 3 seconds.

#1921
Googling it takes literally 3 seconds.
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#1923
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Setsul#1918
Some effort involved, more expensive and it makes small form factors difficult. So I'd rather not if you don't absolutely want to for TF2 or whatever.

yeah i'm not like super keen on overclocking, i can live without it.

SetsulI'm referring to error correcting RAM.

nah i don't need that.

SetsulJanuary.

maybe you would have a better idea of if zen is actually better for me, but i'm inclined to just stick with like a 6700k or something like that. as far as i understand it, most programs aren't optimized well enough to actually fully take advantage of the extra cores so i think just a higher clock speed would work better. but this is just my understanding, i could be misled.

SetsulHow will you be moving it? I mean if you have to move the monitor etc as well then mATX is probably fine.

likely moving by hand and monitors are not included. i would maybe also bring peripherals but not a monitor for sure.

SetsulnVidia has released at least 4 drivers this year that caused crashes on most system so idk if that'll improve.

that's true. in that case i'd still lean towards grabbing an nvidia for the [better] adobe support.

SetsulDepends on the Quadro. Depends how much your GPU bound.

i guess the GPU actually isn't that big of a deal; i only play TF2 and i don't need render speeds to be like godly fast. so i won't need a quadro to go balls deep on the rendering. it would just be nice to shave off a few minutes type of thing.

SetsulYou should probably figure out what CPU/GPU balance you need. No point in getting a 1080 if it's stuck at 50% load because you should've gotten a CPU with 2 more cores instead. What's currently the weakest link? Current CPU?

kinda answered above, but the render speeds don't need to be like lightning fast; it'd be more important to make the editing itself smooth and stuff like that. i have an i7 4790k atm without overclocking, r9 280x and 16gbs of ddr3 ram. did i miss any other important specs?

i think the current machine is pretty ok tbh, but the problem is that it's not very portable and that's the whole point of this new build i'm doing.

[quote=Setsul]#1918
Some effort involved, more expensive and it makes small form factors difficult. So I'd rather not if you don't absolutely want to for TF2 or whatever. [/quote]
yeah i'm not like super keen on overclocking, i can live without it.

[quote=Setsul]I'm referring to error correcting RAM.[/quote]
nah i don't need that.

[quote=Setsul]January.[/quote]
maybe you would have a better idea of if zen is actually better for me, but i'm inclined to just stick with like a 6700k or something like that. as far as i understand it, most programs aren't optimized well enough to actually fully take advantage of the extra cores so i think just a higher clock speed would work better. but this is just my understanding, i could be misled.

[quote=Setsul]How will you be moving it? I mean if you have to move the monitor etc as well then mATX is probably fine.[/quote]
likely moving by hand and monitors are not included. i would maybe also bring peripherals but not a monitor for sure.

[quote=Setsul]nVidia has released at least 4 drivers this year that caused crashes on most system so idk if that'll improve.[/quote]
that's true. in that case i'd still lean towards grabbing an nvidia for the [better] adobe support.

[quote=Setsul]Depends on the Quadro. Depends how much your GPU bound.[/quote]
i guess the GPU actually isn't that big of a deal; i only play TF2 and i don't need render speeds to be like godly fast. so i won't need a quadro to go balls deep on the rendering. it would just be nice to shave off a few minutes type of thing.

[quote=Setsul]You should probably figure out what CPU/GPU balance you need. No point in getting a 1080 if it's stuck at 50% load because you should've gotten a CPU with 2 more cores instead. What's currently the weakest link? Current CPU?[/quote]

kinda answered above, but the render speeds don't need to be like lightning fast; it'd be more important to make the editing itself smooth and stuff like that. i have an i7 4790k atm without overclocking, r9 280x and 16gbs of ddr3 ram. did i miss any other important specs?

i think the current machine is pretty ok tbh, but the problem is that it's not very portable and that's the whole point of this new build i'm doing.
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#1924
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So i ended up doing a clean install of windows and my PC seems to be using my SSD for everything and nothing on my HDD, all i want my ssd for is windows and my HDD to run everything else.
So basically my SSD is at 100% always and my HDD is always at 0%, how am I meant to set up my hard drives?
Edit: When i did install it had some partitions (500mb of safe space or something) but I had to remove them to actually install windows.

So i ended up doing a clean install of windows and my PC seems to be using my SSD for everything and nothing on my HDD, all i want my ssd for is windows and my HDD to run everything else.
So basically my SSD is at 100% always and my HDD is always at 0%, how am I meant to set up my hard drives?
Edit: When i did install it had some partitions (500mb of safe space or something) but I had to remove them to actually install windows.
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#1925
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#1923
Why do you have an i7-4790K and want an i7-6700K if you're not going to overclock?
Also on stock clocks the 6700K isn't going to be any faster. That's not really an upgrade.

If you don't want things to be any faster you can just get a mATX mobo (if you don't already have one), a smaller case and another 16GB RAM and you're done.

If you want it to be faster then getting a CPU that's the same speed isn't the way to go. I still have no idea what you're doing but for rendering you're CPU bound most of the time. Rendering is also one of the very few things that scale perfectly with more cores.

So are you going for the same speed again just smaller or an actual upgrade?

#1924
If you want programs to be installed on the HDD then you need to install them on the HDD. The default is whichever disk windows is on.

#1923
Why do you have an i7-4790K and want an i7-6700K if you're not going to overclock?
Also on stock clocks the 6700K isn't going to be any faster. That's not really an upgrade.

If you don't want things to be any faster you can just get a mATX mobo (if you don't already have one), a smaller case and another 16GB RAM and you're done.


If you want it to be faster then getting a CPU that's the same speed isn't the way to go. I still have no idea what you're doing but for rendering you're CPU bound most of the time. Rendering is also one of the very few things that scale perfectly with more cores.

So are you going for the same speed again just smaller or an actual upgrade?

#1924
If you want programs to be installed on the HDD then you need to install them on the HDD. The default is whichever disk windows is on.
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#1926
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Setsul#1924
If you want programs to be installed on the HDD then you need to install them on the HDD. The default is whichever disk windows is on.

I know, just that my PC seems slower after installation and my SSD is constantly at 100% and nothing is ever using my HDD. So is there a proper configuration I need? Partitions wise and setup wise? I dont need a step by step just a point in the right direction.. :C

[quote=Setsul]
#1924
If you want programs to be installed on the HDD then you need to install them on the HDD. The default is whichever disk windows is on.[/quote]

I know, just that my PC seems slower after installation and my SSD is constantly at 100% and nothing is ever using my HDD. So is there a proper configuration I need? Partitions wise and setup wise? I dont need a step by step just a point in the right direction.. :C
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#1927
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#1926
What do you mean it's at 100%?
Also if you didn''t put anything on the HDD nothing will be on the HDD. I don't understand the problem.

#1926
What do you mean it's at 100%?
Also if you didn''t put anything on the HDD nothing will be on the HDD. I don't understand the problem.
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#1928
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Setsul#1923
Why do you have an i7-4790K and want an i7-6700K if you're not going to overclock?
Also on stock clocks the 6700K isn't going to be any faster. That's not really an upgrade.

If you don't want things to be any faster you can just get a mATX mobo (if you don't already have one), a smaller case and another 16GB RAM and you're done.

If you want it to be faster then getting a CPU that's the same speed isn't the way to go. I still have no idea what you're doing but for rendering you're CPU bound most of the time. Rendering is also one of the very few things that scale perfectly with more cores.

So are you going for the same speed again just smaller or an actual upgrade?

i just mentioned the 6700k as an example but i mean the whole point i'm asking in the first place is because i don't know about hardware too intricately.

what would be a good upgrade? i was under the impression that clock speeds are stagnating around 4.5 ghz so any cpu i pick wouldn't be an upgrade? anyways this is kinda a useless point to continue. it would be great if you could recommend one instead.

the comment about not wanting things to be faster was just to explain what my expectations were, in that I don't NEED things to be faster, but it'd still be good for it to be faster. eg i wouldn't want to dump an extra 1k just for a faster gpu, but if it's a reasonable choice then i'll go for a faster gpu or something.

also i don't want to take apart my current machine because i might be leaving it for a family member or leave it in another place so i can use it when i go between different locations.

i thought i said before i'm using the computer primarily for video editing / rendering / TF2? idk what else to say.

so same speed would be acceptable, but upgrade would be better. i'm saying this because i don't know how much can fit into the budget and all that so i wanted to explain that i can accept an alternative.

[quote=Setsul]#1923
Why do you have an i7-4790K and want an i7-6700K if you're not going to overclock?
Also on stock clocks the 6700K isn't going to be any faster. That's not really an upgrade.

If you don't want things to be any faster you can just get a mATX mobo (if you don't already have one), a smaller case and another 16GB RAM and you're done.


If you want it to be faster then getting a CPU that's the same speed isn't the way to go. I still have no idea what you're doing but for rendering you're CPU bound most of the time. Rendering is also one of the very few things that scale perfectly with more cores.

So are you going for the same speed again just smaller or an actual upgrade?[/quote]

i just mentioned the 6700k as an example but i mean the whole point i'm asking in the first place is because i don't know about hardware too intricately.

what would be a good upgrade? i was under the impression that clock speeds are stagnating around 4.5 ghz so any cpu i pick wouldn't be an upgrade? anyways this is kinda a useless point to continue. it would be great if you could recommend one instead.

the comment about not wanting things to be faster was just to explain what my expectations were, in that I don't NEED things to be faster, but it'd still be good for it to be faster. eg i wouldn't want to dump an extra 1k just for a faster gpu, but if it's a reasonable choice then i'll go for a faster gpu or something.

also i don't want to take apart my current machine because i might be leaving it for a family member or leave it in another place so i can use it when i go between different locations.

i thought i said before i'm using the computer primarily for video editing / rendering / TF2? idk what else to say.

so same speed would be acceptable, but upgrade would be better. i'm saying this because i don't know how much can fit into the budget and all that so i wanted to explain that i can accept an alternative.
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#1929
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Based off of my current build what is the best thing for me to upgrade? Newer games are really starting to tank and TF2's performance can always be better.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-9370 4.4GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($199.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($94.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM 64-bit ($99.99 @ My Choice Software)
Total: $484.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-11 13:35 EST-0500

Thanks in advance.

Based off of my current build what is the best thing for me to upgrade? Newer games are really starting to tank and TF2's performance can always be better.

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D7pbRG]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D7pbRG/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gkV48d/amd-cpu-fd9370fhhkwox]AMD FX-9370 4.4GHz 8-Core Processor[/url]
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CQH323/gigabyte-motherboard-ga990fxaud3]Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($199.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/r3Crxr/corsair-memory-cmy16gx3m2a2400c11]Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory[/url] ($94.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qTckcf/hitachi-internal-hard-drive-hds723020bla642]Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url]
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gGrG3C/sapphire-video-card-100361sr]Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Video Card[/url]
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sbqdnQ/corsair-power-supply-cs650m]Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($89.99 @ B&H)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BVvRsY/microsoft-os-gfc02050]Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM 64-bit[/url] ($99.99 @ My Choice Software)
[b]Total:[/b] $484.74
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-11 13:35 EST-0500[/i]

Thanks in advance.
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#1930
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#1928
It's not only about clockrates, but yeah, if you want to stick with 4 cores / highest clockrate there is no significant upgrade. The 7700K should be 4.5GHz, but we're still talking +10% single threaded at best.
Whether or not Hyperthreading works better on Skylake than on Haswell is rather irrelevant, because that would require something that scales well with more cores and in that case a 6 core or even 8 core will win easily.

What's your current motherboard?

What programs are you using for editing / rendering? I can pretty much guarantee you would benefit from more cores, but they'd be lower clocked so it'd be worse for TF2.
If you don't want that then basically the only thing that would be an upgrade and even then still barely noticeable (10%) would be the 7700K in January and that's it.

#1929
For newer games GPU.
For TF2 CPU.

#1928
It's not only about clockrates, but yeah, if you want to stick with 4 cores / highest clockrate there is no significant upgrade. The 7700K should be 4.5GHz, but we're still talking +10% single threaded at best.
Whether or not Hyperthreading works better on Skylake than on Haswell is rather irrelevant, because that would require something that scales well with more cores and in that case a 6 core or even 8 core will win easily.

What's your current motherboard?

What programs are you using for editing / rendering? I can pretty much guarantee you would benefit from more cores, but they'd be lower clocked so it'd be worse for TF2.
If you don't want that then basically the only thing that would be an upgrade and even then still barely noticeable (10%) would be the 7700K in January and that's it.

#1929
For newer games GPU.
For TF2 CPU.
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#1931
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Setsul#1928
It's not only about clockrates, but yeah, if you want to stick with 4 cores / highest clockrate there is no significant upgrade. The 7700K should be 4.5GHz, but we're still talking +10% single threaded at best.
Whether or not Hyperthreading works better on Skylake than on Haswell is rather irrelevant, because that would require something that scales well with more cores and in that case a 6 core or even 8 core will win easily.

What's your current motherboard?

What programs are you using for editing / rendering? I can pretty much guarantee you would benefit from more cores, but they'd be lower clocked so it'd be worse for TF2.
If you don't want that then basically the only thing that would be an upgrade and even then still barely noticeable (10%) would be the 7700K in January and that's it.

i'm not sure if i'm right about this, but i thought the reason i "have" to upgrade- is that if i wanted ddr4 ram, i'd have to upgrade the motherboard to fit, and newer motherboards don't support the older cpus anymore? (there's obviously still the question of whether i really NEED ddr4 ram, but this is basically the root of my thinking. also forward compatibility? don't wanna be stuck with a motherboard that's outdated and new tech isn't usable on it)

my current motherboard is the ASRock B85M Pro4

i use basically only sony vegas / after effects / premiere / photoshop / illustrator.

also would the lower clocked cores negatively impact the performance that much? Like i don't need 10000 fps, if i get solid ~300 fps with decent graphics i'd be happy to compromise that way for more cores. otherwise if it really is that bad then i suppose i'd stick with 4 cores.

i'd also feel that it might be a little bit of a bad strategy to grab a cpu with a ton of cores when most applications aren't that well optimized to take advantage of all of them. sure, the video editing programs i'm using will be using it in some capacity, but i would want to give myself an contingency of sorts. like i wouldn't wanna be stuck with a pretty slow cpu with a bunch of cores i can't use when i decide to do something else instead, so then i feel like a 4 core would be safer. i could also be overestimating the impact of whatever i'm talking about here, so feel free to let me know if i misunderstood them.

[quote=Setsul]#1928
It's not only about clockrates, but yeah, if you want to stick with 4 cores / highest clockrate there is no significant upgrade. The 7700K should be 4.5GHz, but we're still talking +10% single threaded at best.
Whether or not Hyperthreading works better on Skylake than on Haswell is rather irrelevant, because that would require something that scales well with more cores and in that case a 6 core or even 8 core will win easily.

What's your current motherboard?

What programs are you using for editing / rendering? I can pretty much guarantee you would benefit from more cores, but they'd be lower clocked so it'd be worse for TF2.
If you don't want that then basically the only thing that would be an upgrade and even then still barely noticeable (10%) would be the 7700K in January and that's it.[/quote]

i'm not sure if i'm right about this, but i thought the reason i "have" to upgrade- is that if i wanted ddr4 ram, i'd have to upgrade the motherboard to fit, and newer motherboards don't support the older cpus anymore? (there's obviously still the question of whether i really NEED ddr4 ram, but this is basically the root of my thinking. also forward compatibility? don't wanna be stuck with a motherboard that's outdated and new tech isn't usable on it)

my current motherboard is the ASRock B85M Pro4

i use basically only sony vegas / after effects / premiere / photoshop / illustrator.

also would the lower clocked cores negatively impact the performance [i]that[/i] much? Like i don't need 10000 fps, if i get solid ~300 fps with decent graphics i'd be happy to compromise that way for more cores. otherwise if it really is that bad then i suppose i'd stick with 4 cores.

i'd also feel that it might be a little bit of a bad strategy to grab a cpu with a ton of cores when most applications aren't that well optimized to take advantage of all of them. sure, the video editing programs i'm using will be using it in some capacity, but i would want to give myself an contingency of sorts. like i wouldn't wanna be stuck with a pretty slow cpu with a bunch of cores i can't use when i decide to do something else instead, so then i feel like a 4 core would be safer. i could also be overestimating the impact of whatever i'm talking about here, so feel free to let me know if i misunderstood them.
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#1932
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#1931
Yeah but why would you want DDR4 RAM? Also your current CPU doesn't support DDR4 so you'd have to replace the CPU either way.
Forward compatibility doesn't really matter. I mean if you upgrade in a few years RAM probably isn't going to be the main point. If you replace CPU and mobo and possibly even more then RAM is really a drop in the bucket.

What you're trying to do is future proofing and it doesn't work. It never does and especially not now.
1. You're trying to replace a 3 year old mobo with a 1.5 year old one with new ones being released next month.
2. Anything gamechanging isn't supported yet on new mobos or we'd know about it so you'd have to upgrade again if something truly gamechanging happens.
3. There's exactly 2 things your current mobo does not offer that you could use on newer mobo: DDR4 RAM (doesn't do anything different than DDR3 RAM) and M.2 SSDs (which are really just small PCIe SSDs and you've got a 2nd PCIe slot should you want one).

W'e're talking 4 cores with 4.0-4.5GHz vs 6-8 cores with 3.5-4.0GHz. Not that much slower.

Anyway, main point, which is what I already suspected

Shounicmy current motherboard is the ASRock B85M Pro4

That's a micro ATX motherboard.
The only thing you need to make your pc smaller is a new case. Not 2000$.

That's what I'd do. New case now, big upgrade later when interesting things are available that actually are an upgrade (Zen 8 Cores, Intel 6 cores on desktop socket).

#1931
Yeah but why would you want DDR4 RAM? Also your current CPU doesn't support DDR4 so you'd have to replace the CPU either way.
Forward compatibility doesn't really matter. I mean if you upgrade in a few years RAM probably isn't going to be the main point. If you replace CPU and mobo and possibly even more then RAM is really a drop in the bucket.

What you're trying to do is future proofing and it doesn't work. It never does and especially not now.
1. You're trying to replace a 3 year old mobo with a 1.5 year old one with new ones being released next month.
2. Anything gamechanging isn't supported yet on new mobos or we'd know about it so you'd have to upgrade again if something truly gamechanging happens.
3. There's exactly 2 things your current mobo does not offer that you could use on newer mobo: DDR4 RAM (doesn't do anything different than DDR3 RAM) and M.2 SSDs (which are really just small PCIe SSDs and you've got a 2nd PCIe slot should you want one).

W'e're talking 4 cores with 4.0-4.5GHz vs 6-8 cores with 3.5-4.0GHz. Not that much slower.

Anyway, main point, which is what I already suspected
[quote=Shounic]
my current motherboard is the ASRock B85M Pro4[/quote]
That's a micro ATX motherboard.
The only thing you need to make your pc smaller is a new case. Not 2000$.

That's what I'd do. New case now, big upgrade later when interesting things are available that actually are an upgrade (Zen 8 Cores, Intel 6 cores on desktop socket).
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#1933
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< anything before this was just me asking questions so i'm giving it a blanket response of "ok i understand now" >

SetsulThat's a micro ATX motherboard.
The only thing you need to make your pc smaller is a new case. Not 2000$.

That's what I'd do. New case now, big upgrade later when interesting things are available that actually are an upgrade (Zen 8 Cores, Intel 6 cores on desktop socket).

so 1. [ 2/4 ] of the RAM slots on the PC are non-functional (for reasons i'm not 100% on, but i'm confident it's not like disabled on the software side) and i explained that i'd like to have more than 16 gbs.
2. i want it to be smaller than a mATX too if that's possible. i don't really know about how practical / possible it is, so this is more like a question. But if it can be an mITX then I'd want that instead.
3. there's also the fact that i'm likely to pass on this current computer onto a family member / have it as a backup.

i also think I need to build it before ~ Jan 20th because of some commitment stuff, but that's kinda flexible. I might be able to work around it. Have there been any news on January when the Zen is coming? and when is the intel 6 core one releasing?

< anything before this was just me asking questions so i'm giving it a blanket response of "ok i understand now" >

[quote=Setsul]That's a micro ATX motherboard.
The only thing you need to make your pc smaller is a new case. Not 2000$.

That's what I'd do. New case now, big upgrade later when interesting things are available that actually are an upgrade (Zen 8 Cores, Intel 6 cores on desktop socket).[/quote]

so 1. [ 2/4 ] of the RAM slots on the PC are non-functional (for reasons i'm not 100% on, but i'm confident it's not like disabled on the software side) and i explained that i'd like to have more than 16 gbs.
2. i want it to be smaller than a mATX too if that's possible. i don't really know about how practical / possible it is, so this is more like a question. But if it can be an mITX then I'd want that instead.
3. there's also the fact that i'm likely to pass on this current computer onto a family member / have it as a backup.

i also think I need to build it before ~ Jan 20th because of some commitment stuff, but that's kinda flexible. I might be able to work around it. Have there been any news on January when the Zen is coming? and when is the intel 6 core one releasing?
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#1934
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#1933
1. That shouldn't happen. I mean if the mobo is broken why haven't you RMA'd it? You could still get 32GB though.
Unless you are on e.g. Windows 7 Home Premium because that only allows 16GB.
2. Still possible, just need a new mobo.
3. I still think you'd be better off with a new case for now and then a new build at earliest in January, maybe later in the year (Kaby Lake X / Skylake X in Q3).

Zen is complicated, we pretty much know when it's going to be announced but that doesn't mean it'll be available everywhere instantly. A paper launch seems unlikely, but if it turns out to be absolutely fantastic then it might be out of stock 90% of the time for months to come.
The Intel 6 core on the same socket as all the other consumer CPUs is coming in 2018.
They do have 6/8/10 cores on LGA2011-3 though (mobos are more expensive), those were the ones I mentioned that aren't clocked as high as the 4790K/6700K/7700K. There will be new ones, faster and probably higher clocked in Q3. New sockets -> new mobos though.

If you can hold off on the purchase for at least a month or two and just need a small form factor pc by Jan 20th then a new case, if you absolutely have to buy everything until then I can put something together now. Not ideal with all the new stuff coming out so soon after but better than no PC I guess.

#1933
1. That shouldn't happen. I mean if the mobo is broken why haven't you RMA'd it? You could still get 32GB though.
Unless you are on e.g. Windows 7 Home Premium because that only allows 16GB.
2. Still possible, just need a new mobo.
3. I still think you'd be better off with a new case for now and then a new build at earliest in January, maybe later in the year (Kaby Lake X / Skylake X in Q3).

Zen is complicated, we pretty much know when it's going to be announced but that doesn't mean it'll be available everywhere instantly. A paper launch seems unlikely, but if it turns out to be absolutely fantastic then it might be out of stock 90% of the time for months to come.
The Intel 6 core on the same socket as all the other consumer CPUs is coming in 2018.
They do have 6/8/10 cores on LGA2011-3 though (mobos are more expensive), those were the ones I mentioned that aren't clocked as high as the 4790K/6700K/7700K. There will be new ones, faster and probably higher clocked in Q3. New sockets -> new mobos though.

If you can hold off on the purchase for at least a month or two and just need a small form factor pc by Jan 20th then a new case, if you absolutely have to buy everything until then I can put something together now. Not ideal with all the new stuff coming out so soon after but better than no PC I guess.
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#1935
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Setsul

basically when i first bought the motherboard it was completely defective and i went to RMA it, and i think I accidentally broke something trivial to the function of the motherboard (like the GPU lock clip thingy) so the store i bought it from refused to take it back. they ended up exchanging one for me anyways, but i theorize that's probably the reason why the two RAM slots don't work, in that they gave me a less broken mobo instead :D also i needed to use the extra 2 RAM slots like two months or so ago (and i bought this PC like a year+ ago), so that is extremely past the exchange date. the mobo was also bought in Hong Kong so the policies might be different to whatever people use here.

anyways thanks for the advice, i think i will go make absolute certain of how much time I can wait.

[quote=Setsul][/quote]

basically when i first bought the motherboard it was completely defective and i went to RMA it, and i think I accidentally broke something trivial to the function of the motherboard (like the GPU lock clip thingy) so the store i bought it from refused to take it back. they ended up exchanging one for me anyways, but i theorize that's probably the reason why the two RAM slots don't work, in that they gave me a less broken mobo instead :D also i needed to use the extra 2 RAM slots like two months or so ago (and i bought this PC like a year+ ago), so that is extremely past the exchange date. the mobo was also bought in Hong Kong so the policies might be different to whatever people use here.

anyways thanks for the advice, i think i will go make absolute certain of how much time I can wait.
1936
#1936
0 Frags +

Looking to build a computer to play TF2 and Melee (using Dolphin emulator).
I want a low latency 144hz monitor and to be able to run TF2 constantly above 289 fps (if the old adage of 2 times your refresh rate plus one is true).
Ideally I'd be able to do this on Linux, so I would prioritise brands which have better linux driver support. If that's not really possible or will cost a lot more I am willing to dualboot to play games.
I'm aiming for below 2000 AUD but my budget is semi-flexible so I'd be willing to hear options a bit over (and obviously below too).

Looking to build a computer to play TF2 and Melee (using Dolphin emulator).
I want a low latency 144hz monitor and to be able to run TF2 constantly above 289 fps (if the old adage of 2 times your refresh rate plus one is true).
Ideally I'd be able to do this on Linux, so I would prioritise brands which have better linux driver support. If that's not really possible or will cost a lot more I am willing to dualboot to play games.
I'm aiming for below 2000 AUD but my budget is semi-flexible so I'd be willing to hear options a bit over (and obviously below too).
1937
#1937
2 Frags +

#1935
These are the days when I don't mind paying a little more than the Americans, because in Germany 2 year mandatory warranty actually means at least 2 year warranty. Oh and no restocking fee. Fuck that bullshit.

Well, just post whenever you figured out if you can delay it or not.

EDIT: AMD event just happened, Zen is looking pretty good so far.

#1936
Dolphin and TF2 love single threaded performance. So the question is overclocking yes or no?
When do you want to build it? There's supposedly an overclockable i3 coming with Kaby Lake which would be perfect for this.

Linux driver support is complicated. I mean apart from some weird custom fan control chips *cough* ASUS *cough* I'm not too concerned about the mobo so this is just about the GPU. Then it depends on which driver you use. Not sure how keen you are on open source. You know most games won't work on Linux (WINE can work but it's dodgy and I wouldn't count on it for anything but the most popular games) so dualbooting anyway might be a good idea.

#1935
These are the days when I don't mind paying a little more than the Americans, because in Germany 2 year mandatory warranty actually means at least 2 year warranty. Oh and no restocking fee. Fuck that bullshit.

Well, just post whenever you figured out if you can delay it or not.

EDIT: AMD event just happened, Zen is looking pretty good so far.

#1936
Dolphin and TF2 love single threaded performance. So the question is overclocking yes or no?
When do you want to build it? There's supposedly an overclockable i3 coming with Kaby Lake which would be perfect for this.

Linux driver support is complicated. I mean apart from some weird custom fan control chips *cough* ASUS *cough* I'm not too concerned about the mobo so this is just about the GPU. Then it depends on which driver you use. Not sure how keen you are on open source. You know most games won't work on Linux (WINE can work but it's dodgy and I wouldn't count on it for anything but the most popular games) so dualbooting anyway might be a good idea.
1938
#1938
0 Frags +

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2d4RYr

Any tips on places where my lack of experience has caused me to get a part that I don't need such anexpensive version of, or one where I cheaped out too much. Budget is ~665 USD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2d4RYr

Any tips on places where my lack of experience has caused me to get a part that I don't need such anexpensive version of, or one where I cheaped out too much. Budget is ~665 USD
1939
#1939
0 Frags +
SetsulDolphin and TF2 love single threaded performance. So the question is overclocking yes or no?
When do you want to build it? There's supposedly an overclockable i3 coming with Kaby Lake which would be perfect for this.

Linux driver support is complicated. I mean apart from some weird custom fan control chips *cough* ASUS *cough* I'm not too concerned about the mobo so this is just about the GPU. Then it depends on which driver you use. Not sure how keen you are on open source. You know most games won't work on Linux (WINE can work but it's dodgy and I wouldn't count on it for anything but the most popular games) so dualbooting anyway might be a good idea.

I'm open to overclocking but I don't really know much about it. How big is the increase in performance and what are the chances of it breaking stuff? Ideally I'd build it by February at the latest.
I don't mind running closed source drivers. I know I can't run much on Linux but I'm fine with that because pretty much all I play is TF2 and Melee. There's nothing that really interests me at the moment that is only on Windows.

[quote=Setsul]
Dolphin and TF2 love single threaded performance. So the question is overclocking yes or no?
When do you want to build it? There's supposedly an overclockable i3 coming with Kaby Lake which would be perfect for this.

Linux driver support is complicated. I mean apart from some weird custom fan control chips *cough* ASUS *cough* I'm not too concerned about the mobo so this is just about the GPU. Then it depends on which driver you use. Not sure how keen you are on open source. You know most games won't work on Linux (WINE can work but it's dodgy and I wouldn't count on it for anything but the most popular games) so dualbooting anyway might be a good idea.[/quote]
I'm open to overclocking but I don't really know much about it. How big is the increase in performance and what are the chances of it breaking stuff? Ideally I'd build it by February at the latest.
I don't mind running closed source drivers. I know I can't run much on Linux but I'm fine with that because pretty much all I play is TF2 and Melee. There's nothing that really interests me at the moment that is only on Windows.
1940
#1940
-1 Frags +
Tsarbuckshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/2d4RYr

Any tips on places where my lack of experience has caused me to get a part that I don't need such anexpensive version of, or one where I cheaped out too much. Budget is ~665 USD

I built a pc for around this price a few months back so I have some experience with picking parts. Here's what I would change:

GTX 950 --> RX 470 - This is IMPORTANT. The RX470 is like the same price and waaaay better. The RX470 is the 26th best CPU while the GTX 950 is the 52nd best. The 470 is a whopping 80% faster. Definitely get it. You can run new games at high and even ultra settings at 60fps.

SSD --> 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD - You're going to need more than 250GB of space, trust me. If you still want a super fast startup, buy a 128GB SSD and put your OS on that, and leave the HDD to everything else. This is what I did and now every other computer I use seems painfully slow.

Different PSU: The PSU is important so it's worth spending like 5 more dollars on getting one you know is good. Generally shoot for 80+ bronze at least. Also a Semi-modular one makes building easier.

Here's everything:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DL64Z8
$20 rebate on GPU: https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-470-AXRX-4GBD5-3DH-OC/dp/B01JGNP79K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481677419&sr=8-1&keywords=rx+470+powercolor

I don't know that much about motherboards but I assume yours will be ok as long as you accept it's going to be a little cheap. Not a case expert either but I would read reviews and see what people have to say.

Oh, and if you live near a MicroCenter you could just buy this prebuilt if you wanted: http://www.microcenter.com/product/470682/Envy_750-411_Desktop_Computer
The RX480 is a bit better than the 470 and the i5 6400 is a bit worse than the i5 6500.

[quote=Tsarbucks]https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2d4RYr

Any tips on places where my lack of experience has caused me to get a part that I don't need such anexpensive version of, or one where I cheaped out too much. Budget is ~665 USD[/quote]
I built a pc for around this price a few months back so I have some experience with picking parts. Here's what I would change:

GTX 950 --> RX 470 - This is IMPORTANT. The RX470 is like the same price and waaaay better. The RX470 is the 26th best CPU while the GTX 950 is the 52nd best. The 470 is a whopping 80% faster. Definitely get it. You can run new games at high and even ultra settings at 60fps.

SSD --> 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD - You're going to need more than 250GB of space, trust me. If you still want a super fast startup, buy a 128GB SSD and put your OS on that, and leave the HDD to everything else. This is what I did and now every other computer I use seems painfully slow.

Different PSU: The PSU is important so it's worth spending like 5 more dollars on getting one you know is good. Generally shoot for 80+ bronze at least. Also a Semi-modular one makes building easier.

Here's everything:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DL64Z8
$20 rebate on GPU: https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-470-AXRX-4GBD5-3DH-OC/dp/B01JGNP79K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481677419&sr=8-1&keywords=rx+470+powercolor&tag=teamfortresst-20

I don't know that much about motherboards but I assume yours will be ok as long as you accept it's going to be a little cheap. Not a case expert either but I would read reviews and see what people have to say.

Oh, and if you live near a MicroCenter you could just buy this prebuilt if you wanted: http://www.microcenter.com/product/470682/Envy_750-411_Desktop_Computer
The RX480 is a bit better than the 470 and the i5 6400 is a bit worse than the i5 6500.
1941
#1941
2 Frags +

#1938
What are you going to use it for?

But general idea of what I'd be going for for gaming:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Dragon Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $661.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 07:22 EST-0500

#1939
February is good, Kaby Lake should be out by then.

Overclocking would be linear performance gains with clockrate increase. We'll see how well Kaby Lake overclocks and how it's priced. Not really worth it if it costs 100$ more than the 4.1 GHz i3 and only gets up to 4.5. If it ends up being <200$ and getting closer to 5 GHz then yes please.
There's two ways to kill a CPU: heat and voltage. It'll just throttle or even shut off if it overheats so you'd have to disable the safe voltage limits in BIOS and then mess up and put in something too high. So I'd say it's fairly difficult to mess up.

With closed source drivers both AMD and nVidia should work fine.

#1940
Please don't quote userbenchmark ratings.
It's fine to get a general idea but it's better to look at actual game benchmarks.

#1938
What are you going to use it for?

But general idea of what I'd be going for for gaming:
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rCRzXH]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rCRzXH/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cXvZxr/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($64.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d27CmG/mushkin-memory-997191t]Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($45.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZJkcf/sk-hynix-sl308-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-hfs250g32tnd-n1a2a]SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCxfrH/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rLbkcf/powercolor-radeon-rx-470-4gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx470-4gbd5-3dhdv2oc]PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Dragon Video Card[/url] ($159.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TkkD4D/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1100bl]Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit[/url] ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $661.99
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 07:22 EST-0500[/i]

#1939
February is good, Kaby Lake should be out by then.

Overclocking would be linear performance gains with clockrate increase. We'll see how well Kaby Lake overclocks and how it's priced. Not really worth it if it costs 100$ more than the 4.1 GHz i3 and only gets up to 4.5. If it ends up being <200$ and getting closer to 5 GHz then yes please.
There's two ways to kill a CPU: heat and voltage. It'll just throttle or even shut off if it overheats so you'd have to disable the safe voltage limits in BIOS and then mess up and put in something too high. So I'd say it's fairly difficult to mess up.

With closed source drivers both AMD and nVidia should work fine.

#1940
Please don't quote userbenchmark ratings.
It's fine to get a general idea but it's better to look at actual game benchmarks.
1942
#1942
0 Frags +
Setsul#1938
What are you going to use it for?

Mainly tf2, but I want to get into a bit of video editing.

[quote=Setsul]#1938
What are you going to use it for?
[/quote]

Mainly tf2, but I want to get into a bit of video editing.
1943
#1943
1 Frags +

That complicates things a bit.
Just TF2 or other games as well? Might be able to go with a cheaper GPU.

When are you going to build it?

That complicates things a bit.
Just TF2 or other games as well? Might be able to go with a cheaper GPU.

When are you going to build it?
1944
#1944
0 Frags +
SetsulThat complicates things a bit.
Just TF2 or other games as well? Might be able to go with a cheaper GPU.

When are you going to build it?

just tf2. Hopefully before Christmas

[quote=Setsul]That complicates things a bit.
Just TF2 or other games as well? Might be able to go with a cheaper GPU.

When are you going to build it?[/quote]

just tf2. Hopefully before Christmas
1945
#1945
2 Frags +

Could do something like this then:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $686.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 13:12 EST-0500

Could do something like this then:
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKbCZ8]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKbCZ8/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m9Gj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($214.99 @ B&H)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cXvZxr/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($64.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d27CmG/mushkin-memory-997191t]Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($45.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZJkcf/sk-hynix-sl308-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-hfs250g32tnd-n1a2a]SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCxfrH/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sXkwrH/powercolor-radeon-rx-460-2gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx-460-2gbd5-dhoc]PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card[/url] ($79.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TkkD4D/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1100bl]Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit[/url] ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $686.99
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 13:12 EST-0500[/i]
1946
#1946
0 Frags +
SetsulCould do something like this then:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $686.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 13:12 EST-0500

Thanks Setsul. I'll let you know in a few weeks if there's a problem.

[quote=Setsul]Could do something like this then:
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKbCZ8]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKbCZ8/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m9Gj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($214.99 @ B&H)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cXvZxr/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($64.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d27CmG/mushkin-memory-997191t]Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($45.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZJkcf/sk-hynix-sl308-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-hfs250g32tnd-n1a2a]SK hynix SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCxfrH/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($48.60 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sXkwrH/powercolor-radeon-rx-460-2gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx-460-2gbd5-dhoc]PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card[/url] ($79.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TkkD4D/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1100bl]Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($43.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit[/url] ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $686.99
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-14 13:12 EST-0500[/i][/quote]
Thanks Setsul. I'll let you know in a few weeks if there's a problem.
1947
#1947
0 Frags +

Could this build run Overwatch at 75 FPS minimum? I'm willing to use the lowest settings, lowest resolution, and the best performance config. I originally picked based on this guide for Overwatch and items from the 'Modest' tier at Logical Increments, with modifications suggested by friends:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99)
Power Supply: EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply ($29.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($23.99)
Video Card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 DirectX 12 GV-N1050D5-2GD 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 ATX Video Cards ($109.99)
Total: $384.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-15 05:53 EST-0500

If this build can indeed run OW @ 75 FPS min, would I be able to cut costs? I'd love to hit $400, whether that means skimping on non-essential components, buying used/pre-built/bundles, or even just waiting a couple months (I understand $400 could be unrealistic since I include the price of the OS). I've managed to cut costs below $400, but with a sub-optimal CPU. Would love to get the i3-6100 while staying below $400, but 75 FPS minimum is still my main objective. This would be my first time buying/building a PC, so let me know if I fucked up.

EDIT:
#1949:
Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be considerably better than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?

EDIT:
#1952:
Swapped the 860K for the G4400, and the mobo/RAM for compatibility.
Changed the case from 200R to 100R.
Downgraded PSU to the EVGA 400W.
I'm contemplating the i3-6100 for another $50; will it make a big difference?

Could this build run Overwatch at 75 FPS minimum? I'm willing to use the lowest settings, lowest resolution, and the best performance config. I originally picked based on [url=http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/overwatch]this guide for Overwatch[/url] and items from the 'Modest' tier at Logical Increments, with modifications suggested by friends:

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wm9wm8]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wm9wm8/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662g4400]Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WXyxFT/asrock-motherboard-h110mhds]ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($47.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d72kcf/crucial-memory-ct4g4dfs8213]Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory[/url] ($24.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCxfrH/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JwVBD3/corsair-case-cc9011075ww]Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($39.99)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/86M323/evga-power-supply-100n10400l1]EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.99)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit[/url] ($23.99)
[b]Video Card:[/b] GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 DirectX 12 GV-N1050D5-2GD 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 ATX Video Cards ($109.99)
[b]Total:[/b] [b]$384.90[/b]
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-15 05:53 EST-0500[/i]

If this build can indeed run OW @ 75 FPS min, would I be able to cut costs? [s]I'd love to hit $400, whether that means skimping on non-essential components, buying used/pre-built/bundles, or even just waiting a couple months (I understand $400 could be unrealistic since I include the price of the OS).[/s] I've managed to cut costs below $400, but with a sub-optimal CPU. Would love to get the i3-6100 while staying below $400, but 75 FPS minimum is still my main objective. This would be my first time buying/building a PC, so let me know if I fucked up.

EDIT:
#1949:
Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be [url=https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3BlJQnm0--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pd6ntptktnn0nmsblhh3.png]considerably better[/url] than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?

EDIT:
#1952:
Swapped the 860K for the G4400, and the mobo/RAM for compatibility.
Changed the case from 200R to 100R.
Downgraded PSU to the EVGA 400W.
I'm contemplating the i3-6100 for another $50; will it make a big difference?
1948
#1948
0 Frags +

Looking to upgrade my pc's cpu for christmas, and looking at amd's new ryzen cpu, I wonder if it's going to be good for content creation (aka streaming and video editing). I (unfortunately) went with an a10 apu from amd (came with a motherboard too) and seeing the release of it, will i be able to do just a simple replace? or will I need to get a new motherboard? If I need to get a new motherboard then I'll just go with an intel cpu.

I'll edit this later once I can find the exact model of my motherboard (if needed)

Looking to upgrade my pc's cpu for christmas, and looking at amd's new ryzen cpu, I wonder if it's going to be good for content creation (aka streaming and video editing). I (unfortunately) went with an a10 apu from amd (came with a motherboard too) and seeing the release of it, will i be able to do just a simple replace? or will I need to get a new motherboard? If I need to get a new motherboard then I'll just go with an intel cpu.

I'll edit this later once I can find the exact model of my motherboard (if needed)
1949
#1949
1 Frags +
EricCould this build run Overwatch at 75 FPS minimum? I'm willing to use the lowest settings, lowest resolution, and the best performance config. I picked based on this guide for Overwatch and items from the 'Modest' tier at Logical Increments:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($64.99)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($46.99)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($27.50)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($109.99)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $481.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

If this build can indeed run OW @ 75 FPS min, would I be able to cut costs? I'd love to hit $400, whether that means skimping on non-essential components, buying used/pre-built/bundles, or even just waiting a couple months (I understand $400 could be unrealistic since I include the price of the OS). But 75 FPS minimum is my main objective. This would be my first time buying/building a PC, so let me know if I fucked up.

I'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.

[quote=Eric]Could this build run Overwatch at 75 FPS minimum? I'm willing to use the lowest settings, lowest resolution, and the best performance config. I picked based on [url=http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/overwatch]this guide for Overwatch[/url] and items from the 'Modest' tier at Logical Increments:

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQbTZ8]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQbTZ8/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kWGj4D/amd-cpu-ad860kxbjabox]AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($64.99)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/832rxr/asrock-motherboard-fm2a88mpro3]ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard[/url] ($46.99)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jnckcf/crucial-memory-ct51264ba160b]Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($27.50)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCxfrH/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LZkD4D/asus-video-card-gtx750tioc2gd5]Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card[/url] ($109.99)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cTQypg/corsair-case-200r]Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($47.99)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($44.99)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit[/url] ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] [b]$481.02[/b]
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]

If this build can indeed run OW @ 75 FPS min, would I be able to cut costs? I'd love to hit $400, whether that means skimping on non-essential components, buying used/pre-built/bundles, or even just waiting a couple months (I understand $400 could be unrealistic since I include the price of the OS). But 75 FPS minimum is my main objective. This would be my first time buying/building a PC, so let me know if I fucked up.[/quote]

I'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.
1950
#1950
0 Frags +
murkscribeI'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.

Alright, thanks for the pointers. I've updated my initial post as follows:

Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be considerably better than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?

[quote=murkscribe]
I'm not setsul , but these are my opinion (even if they could be wrong and questionable) with the introduction of the 1050 ti and 1050, and also rx 460. the 750 ti is kind of pointless to get, unless you have a really sff case. since the the price is the same like a rx 460 and gtx 1050, but its outdated architecture and its 2.5 year old now and getting to be 3 years old now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Card+-+Nvidia-_-N82E16814125920&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-MPCBRCZ0q23tPGm6_8BEiQAgw_bAk-knz6hinPgoYX-cRv6TwiOqXYDFbziD-Xo6mr1pZUaApoQ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

look up on https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ this as well as you can find really good deals as well, such as windows 10 for $77. or better yet buying an os from kinguin instead for much cheaper.[/quote]
Alright, thanks for the pointers. I've updated my [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/684107/pc-build-thread]initial post[/url] as follows:

Replaced the GTX 750 Ti with the GTX 1050, since they are the same price apparently. Should be considerably better than the RX 460 for +$13 ($109.99 vs $96.99).
Re-sourced Windows 10 to Kinguin. Is it a safe bet? Should I spend $5 for buyer protection?
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