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#1591
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#1587
Ok so for TF2 the i5-6600 would be slightly better, for everything else the difference is better spent on the GPU. So I agree with the CPU and GPU, all other 1060s and 480s (even the 470s) are just ridiculously overpriced right now.

The rest:
Mobo: ASRock B150M Pro4S
RAM: just the cheapest 2x4GB 2400MHz CL15 you can find.
SSD: 250GB 850 Evo
HDD: 1TB Seagate Barracuda
PSU: CX450M Don't get confused here, the CX450M is far more recent and far better than the CX500. Also semi modular. There are cheaper options though if you want.
Case: Cooler Master N200 There's other options here as well, I just don't like the SPEC-01 much. If a µATX mobo a full ATX case is just a waste of space and for 60€ it's a bit embarrasing that it comes with only 1 fan (gets a bit toasty in there).

Depending on which shops you buy from it should all be within budget. If not drop down to the 120GB version of the SSD and you should be fine.

#1589
Like #1590 said, the GPU doesn't really matter for TF2.
What you need for Overwatch depends on how many fps on what settings/resolution you want.

#1587
Ok so for TF2 the i5-6600 would be slightly better, for everything else the difference is better spent on the GPU. So I agree with the CPU and GPU, all other 1060s and 480s (even the 470s) are just ridiculously overpriced right now.

The rest:
Mobo: [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Componentes/Motherboards/AsRock-B150M-Pro4S-p-1-438030]ASRock B150M Pro4S[/url]
RAM: just the cheapest [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Componentes/Memorias/GSkill-8GB-Aegis-2x-4GB-DDR4-2400MHz-PC4-19200-CL15-F4-2400C15D-8GIS-p-1-445381]2x4GB 2400MHz CL15[/url] you can find.
SSD: [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Armazenamento-Interno/Discos-SSD/Samsung-250GB-EVO-850-Series-2-5-SATA-III-SSD-MZ-75E250B-p-1-389815]250GB 850 Evo[/url]
HDD: [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Armazenamento-Interno/Discos-Rigidos/Seagate-1TB-Barracuda-7200rpm-64MB-SATA-6-0Gb-s-3-5-ST1000DM003-p-1-209457]1TB Seagate Barracuda[/url]
PSU: [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Caixas/Fontes-de-Alimentacao/Corsair-CX450M-450W-80-Plus-Bronze-Modular-CP-9020101-EU-p-1-450522]CX450M[/url] Don't get confused here, the CX450M is far more recent and far better than the CX500. Also semi modular. There are cheaper options though if you want.
Case: [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Caixas/Caixas/Cooler-Master-N200-NSE-200-KKN1-p-1-309295]Cooler Master N200[/url] There's other options here as well, I just don't like the SPEC-01 much. If a µATX mobo a full ATX case is just a waste of space and for 60€ it's a bit embarrasing that it comes with only 1 fan (gets a bit toasty in there).

Depending on which shops you buy from it should all be within budget. If not drop down to the [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Armazenamento-Interno/Discos-SSD/Samsung-120GB-850-Series-2-5-SATA-III-TLC-SSD-MZ-75E120B-p-1-389816]120GB version of the SSD[/url] and you should be fine.

#1589
Like #1590 said, the GPU doesn't really matter for TF2.
What you need for Overwatch depends on how many fps on what settings/resolution you want.
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#1592
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How long do you think it'll be before the 1060/70 and 480/470s will come down in price? I've been thinking of upgrading and I don't really new a new cpu but my gpu is pretty old at this point,

How long do you think it'll be before the 1060/70 and 480/470s will come down in price? I've been thinking of upgrading and I don't really new a new cpu but my gpu is pretty old at this point,
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#1593
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Thanks alot setsul!

Thanks alot setsul!
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#1594
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Hi Setsul, I just want to remind you that I'd like to have the build in about 5 days

Hi Setsul, I just want to remind you that I'd like to have the build in about 5 days
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#1595
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#1592
1060 both 3 and 6GB once they are widely available and/or once the RX 470 and 480 are widely available. Obviously the other way round as well.

1070 probably won't got down much until Vega 10 is released. No competition = no price drops.

#1593
Glad I could help.

#1594
I think I haven't asked so far which shop(s) you'll be using. Obviously a price comparision site would be even better.

I'll make the partlist tonight.

#1592
1060 both 3 and 6GB once they are widely available and/or once the RX 470 and 480 are widely available. Obviously the other way round as well.

1070 probably won't got down much until Vega 10 is released. No competition = no price drops.

#1593
Glad I could help.

#1594
I think I haven't asked so far which shop(s) you'll be using. Obviously a price comparision site would be even better.

I'll make the partlist tonight.
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#1596
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Setsul#1594
I think I haven't asked so far which shop(s) you'll be using. Obviously a price comparision site would be even better.

I'll make the partlist tonight.

Actually I don't have a particular one, but I'd like to use Amazon or other reliable sites that send from Europe

[quote=Setsul]
#1594
I think I haven't asked so far which shop(s) you'll be using. Obviously a price comparision site would be even better.

I'll make the partlist tonight.[/quote]

Actually I don't have a particular one, but I'd like to use Amazon or other reliable sites that send from Europe
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#1597
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Setsul#1584
Ah well, the ways of Dell are mysterious.

Actually if we're talking most powerful CPU the mobo will definitely have to be replaced. PSU not so much.

It's not that easy though, there's some 6 cores that are theoretically more powerful and better for streaming but worse for TF2. The sane choice would be the i7-6700.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($298.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $411.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-18 17:53 EDT-0400

You could cram in a GTX 1080 if you really tried but I don't see the need for it when going by what he said so far a 170$ GPU would be plenty.

So anything more demanding than OW and TF2 he might play?

It will be mostly TF2 and Overwatch but that budget leaves a lot of room for a good graphics card if he needs one.

Is there a way to keep his current motherboard and get a decent enough CPU to stream and get a decent GPU as well? I'm worried he won't be able to install a motherboard without fucking up to be honest (this is the kid who didn't know what an operating system was).

Also would he need to upgrade his power supply, and if so do you have any recommendations for that?

[quote=Setsul]#1584
Ah well, the ways of Dell are mysterious.

Actually if we're talking most powerful CPU the mobo will definitely have to be replaced. PSU not so much.

It's not that easy though, there's some 6 cores that are theoretically more powerful and better for streaming but worse for TF2. The sane choice would be the i7-6700.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/KybkkL]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/KybkkL/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/7V7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700]Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($298.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tp323/gigabyte-motherboard-gah170md3h]Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($77.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($34.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $411.95
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-18 17:53 EDT-0400[/i]

You could cram in a GTX 1080 if you really tried but I don't see the need for it when going by what he said so far a 170$ GPU would be plenty.

So anything more demanding than OW and TF2 he might play?[/quote]

It will be mostly TF2 and Overwatch but that budget leaves a lot of room for a good graphics card if he needs one.

Is there a way to keep his current motherboard and get a decent enough CPU to stream and get a decent GPU as well? I'm worried he won't be able to install a motherboard without fucking up to be honest (this is the kid who didn't know what an operating system was).

Also would he need to upgrade his power supply, and if so do you have any recommendations for that?
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#1598
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#1596
Ok, I'll just use that shop you linked. The design is a straight up early 2000s nightmare but the prices are pretty good.

The partlist is almost unchanged, although you could get an i5-6600 if you wanted.
CPU: i5-6500
Mobo: ASRock B150M Pro4S
RAM: 2x8GB 2400MHz CL15
SSD: 250GB 850 Evo If it's still not available by the time you order just get it from amazon, should be around 90€.
HDD: 1TB Seagate Barracuda
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Only one that I could find that was reasonably priced. Might have to wait a bit for others to become available. Basically what you should look for is either an RX 480 (most will be 8GB) or GTX 1060 6GB. It should be <300€ with at least 2 fans (not like this one or this one). The GTX 1060 3GB is different (slower) so it's obviously going to be cheaper.
PSU: Corsair CX450M

#1597

SetsulThe cheapest CPU upgrade would be if you could find a used i7-3770.

Do you trust him to sucessfully install a CPU and a cooler though?

PSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.

#1596
Ok, I'll just use that shop you linked. The design is a straight up early 2000s nightmare but the prices are pretty good.

The partlist is almost unchanged, although you could get an i5-6600 if you wanted.
CPU: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=33290]i5-6500[/url]
Mobo: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=33597]ASRock B150M Pro4S[/url]
RAM: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=33011]2x8GB 2400MHz CL15[/url]
SSD: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=32561]250GB 850 Evo[/url] If it's still not available by the time you order just get it from amazon, should be around 90€.
HDD: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=26156]1TB Seagate Barracuda[/url]
GPU: [url=https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01IPBC4PO/?tag=pcp06-21]GTX 1060 6GB[/url] Only one that I could find that was reasonably priced. Might have to wait a bit for others to become available. Basically what you should look for is either an RX 480 (most will be 8GB) or GTX 1060 6GB. It should be <300€ with at least 2 fans (not like [url=https://www.amazon.it/Zotac-ZT-P10600A-10L-GeForce-Scheda-Video/dp/B01IA9FEOO/]this one[/url] or [url=https://www.amazon.it/Asus-GeForce-TURBO-GTX1060-6G-Scheda-Grafica/dp/B01IPFMVCQ/]this one[/url]). The GTX 1060 3GB is different (slower) so it's obviously going to be cheaper.
PSU: [url=http://www.taocomputer.eu/shop2007/scheda.asp?id=34751]Corsair CX450M[/url]


#1597
[quote=Setsul]The cheapest CPU upgrade would be if you could find a used i7-3770.[/quote]

Do you trust him to sucessfully install a CPU and a cooler though?

PSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.
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#1599
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Setsul#1597SetsulThe cheapest CPU upgrade would be if you could find a used i7-3770.
Do you trust him to sucessfully install a CPU and a cooler though?

PSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.

Probably going to go with the used i7-3770 and a gtx 1060, he also has CX430 PSU would that be good enough?

[quote=Setsul]
#1597
[quote=Setsul]The cheapest CPU upgrade would be if you could find a used i7-3770.[/quote]

Do you trust him to sucessfully install a CPU and a cooler though?

PSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.[/quote]

Probably going to go with the used i7-3770 and a gtx 1060, he also has CX430 PSU would that be good enough?
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#1600
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SetsulPSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.
[quote=Setsul]PSU is fine, although you'd need a molex to 6/8pin adapter if you were to get a GPU that needs two 6/8pin connectors. Wattage should be fine though.
If he wants a slightly better PSU that actually comes with two pcie power connectors I'd recommend the CX450M. It's actually reasonably priced and quite decent. If he wants something much better then the question is either how much better or how much is he willing to spend on it.[/quote]
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#1601
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($255.98 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($39.98 @ NCIX)
Memory: *Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: A-Data S511 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.48 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4GB NITRO+ 4G Video Card ($319.05 @ Vuugo)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.35 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: Cooler Master 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $898.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-20 17:47 EDT-0400

hello any suggestions for changes/cheaper alternatives? i just kind of mixed and matched based on the guides

[url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j7BkXH]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j7BkXH/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/xwhj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($255.98 @ DirectCanada)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7cTrxr/asrock-motherboard-h110mdgs]ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($39.98 @ NCIX)
[b]Memory:[/b] *[url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/n7RFf7/team-dark-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tdked416g3000hc16adc01]Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] ($74.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nfTmP6/a-data-internal-hard-drive-as511s3240gmc]A-Data S511 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($59.48 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/f9cMnQ/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-4gb-nitro-4g-video-card-11260-02]Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4GB NITRO+ 4G Video Card[/url] ($319.05 @ Vuugo)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QMp323/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00]Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($79.35 @ DirectCanada)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/rQzZxr/cooler-master-power-supply-rs650amaab1us]Cooler Master 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($69.99 @ NCIX)
[b]Total:[/b] $898.82
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-20 17:47 EDT-0400[/i]

hello any suggestions for changes/cheaper alternatives? i just kind of mixed and matched based on the guides
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#1602
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#1601
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($256.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ Memory Express)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 470 4GB NITRO+ Video Card ($282.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.35 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($44.98 @ NCIX)
Total: $912.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-21 05:27 EDT-0400

-mobo that isn't low end garbage
-8GB RAM because you asked for cheaper alternatives and I have no idea what you're going to use this build for.
-faster SSD because why the hell not
-RX 470 should overclock a bit higher and can keep a higher boost clock because of the lower power consumption so in the end it's almost the same speed except it's cheaper.
-PSU with a reasonable wattage (<400W build, come on)

I'll be on vacation now, someone else take over please.

#1601
[url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gVdy4C]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gVdy4C/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/xwhj4D/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($256.95 @ Vuugo)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Cx648d/asrock-motherboard-h170mpro4s]ASRock H170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($89.50 @ Vuugo)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($43.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($114.99 @ Memory Express)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/p28H99/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-4gb-nitro-video-card-11256-01]Sapphire Radeon RX 470 4GB NITRO+ Video Card[/url] ($282.50 @ Vuugo)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QMp323/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00]Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($79.35 @ DirectCanada)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($44.98 @ NCIX)
[b]Total:[/b] $912.26
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-21 05:27 EDT-0400[/i]

-mobo that isn't low end garbage
-8GB RAM because you asked for cheaper alternatives and I have no idea what you're going to use this build for.
-[url=http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Adata-S511-240GB/2977vsm2462]faster SSD[/url] because why the hell not
-RX 470 should overclock a bit higher and can keep a higher boost clock because of the lower power consumption so in the end it's almost the same speed except it's cheaper.
-PSU with a reasonable wattage (<400W build, come on)


I'll be on vacation now, someone else take over please.
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#1603
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Setsul#1557
RPM are like GHz, basically meaningless when comparing different fans.

I skipped the line about the keyboard apparently.
Do you want a mechanical keyboard?
Full layout, tenkeyless or even smaller?

I have no idea what to look for when choosing keyboards. Can you detail the differences please

[quote=Setsul]
#1557
RPM are like GHz, basically meaningless when comparing different fans.

I skipped the line about the keyboard apparently.
Do you want a mechanical keyboard?
Full layout, tenkeyless or even smaller?[/quote]
I have no idea what to look for when choosing keyboards. Can you detail the differences please
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#1604
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Hey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.

Hey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.
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#1605
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AleXHey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.

I don't speak portuguese so maybe I'm missing something but there are more 1060s listed on that site for just a slightly higher price here -- they're just Asus versions as opposed to MSI. This is the cheapest one there I could see, with the site saying (I think) that it's €280 including delivery.

[quote=AleX]Hey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.[/quote]

I don't speak portuguese so maybe I'm missing something but there are more 1060s listed on that site for just a slightly higher price [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Placas-Video/Placas-Graficas/Asus-GeForce-GTX1060-Turbo-6GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-90YV09R0-M0NA00-p-1-461609]here[/url] -- they're just Asus versions as opposed to MSI. [url=http://www.mhr.pt/162888-vga-asus-gtx1060-6gb-ddr5-1xdvi-2xhdmi-2xdp-turbo-gtx1060-6g-4712900476118.html?utm_source=kuantokusta]This[/url] is the cheapest one there I could see, with the site saying (I think) that it's €280 including delivery.
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#1606
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nopeAleXHey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.

I don't speak portuguese so maybe I'm missing something but there are more 1060s listed on that site for just a slightly higher price here -- they're just Asus versions as opposed to MSI. This is the cheapest one there I could see, with the site saying (I think) that it's €280 including delivery.

Hey and thanks for your answer, i've seen that graphics card before but i heard that it was way better to go for one with 2 fans, if my info is incorrect please tell me so

[quote=nope][quote=AleX]Hey so after some waiting the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5 still aint avaliable and the site who was selling it actually removed that part's page and after some searching i havent found any other 1060 that is around that price, 279 euros, so would you recomend going for a RX 480 or should i go for a GTX 970? And what kind should i pick?

In case you dont remember im using kuantokusta.pt as a price comparing website and i already ordered all the other parts you recomended im only missing the graphics card.[/quote]

I don't speak portuguese so maybe I'm missing something but there are more 1060s listed on that site for just a slightly higher price [url=http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Placas-Video/Placas-Graficas/Asus-GeForce-GTX1060-Turbo-6GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-90YV09R0-M0NA00-p-1-461609]here[/url] -- they're just Asus versions as opposed to MSI. [url=http://www.mhr.pt/162888-vga-asus-gtx1060-6gb-ddr5-1xdvi-2xhdmi-2xdp-turbo-gtx1060-6g-4712900476118.html?utm_source=kuantokusta]This[/url] is the cheapest one there I could see, with the site saying (I think) that it's €280 including delivery.[/quote]

Hey and thanks for your answer, i've seen that graphics card before but i heard that it was way better to go for one with 2 fans, if my info is incorrect please tell me so
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#1607
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AleXHey and thanks for your answer, i've seen that graphics card before but i heard that it was way better to go for one with 2 fans, if my info is incorrect please tell me so

Sounds like a bit of an urban legend. There are pros and cons to both open air (2 fan) and blower-style (like the one we're talking about) graphics cards, but both will work fine most of the time.

I found an interesting article testing the difference between the two styles here, these are some of its conclusions:

In short, always choose the product that suits your computing environment. Have a big case with plenty of cooling, especially a setup with liquid CPU cooling? You'll almost always be better off with an open-air cooler. Noise levels will definitely be lower overall. Have a small case or one with minimal airflow? Well, first of all, high-end open-air models might not fit as we discovered, due to their additional height and/or length. Furthermore, a blower-style cooler will be much more predictable, performing within its design parameters as long as it has access to outside air. Such models are particularly effective in ITX cases that position the video card's air intake at the edge of the case. Even if an open-air cooler could cool the GPU as effectively in such setups, the rest of the components in the case would suffer for it, due to the limited airflow inherent to any compact case.

Additionally, the alternatives you gave, the GTX 970 and the RX 480, are both significantly lesser cards, on the order of approximately 20 and 35 percent worse performing respectively. Just comparing those three cards, the 1060 should give you the best performance for the price.

[quote=AleX]Hey and thanks for your answer, i've seen that graphics card before but i heard that it was way better to go for one with 2 fans, if my info is incorrect please tell me so[/quote]

Sounds like a bit of an urban legend. There are pros and cons to both open air (2 fan) and blower-style ([url=http://www.mhr.pt/162888-vga-asus-gtx1060-6gb-ddr5-1xdvi-2xhdmi-2xdp-turbo-gtx1060-6g-4712900476118.html?utm_source=kuantokusta]like the one we're talking about[/url]) graphics cards, but both will work fine most of the time.

I found an interesting article testing the difference between the two styles [url=http://techbuyersguru.com/video-card-comparison-blower-style-vs-open-air-coolers]here[/url], these are some of its conclusions:

[quote]In short, always choose the product that suits your computing environment. Have a big case with plenty of cooling, especially a setup with liquid CPU cooling? You'll almost always be better off with an open-air cooler. Noise levels will definitely be lower overall. Have a small case or one with minimal airflow? Well, first of all, high-end open-air models might not fit as we discovered, due to their additional height and/or length. Furthermore, a blower-style cooler will be much more predictable, performing within its design parameters as long as it has access to outside air. Such models are particularly effective in ITX cases that position the video card's air intake at the edge of the case. Even if an open-air cooler could cool the GPU as effectively in such setups, the rest of the components in the case would suffer for it, due to the limited airflow inherent to any compact case.[/quote]

Additionally, the alternatives you gave, the GTX 970 and the RX 480, are both significantly lesser cards, on the order of approximately 20 and 35 percent worse performing respectively. Just comparing those three cards, the 1060 should give you the best performance for the price.
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Thanks for the reply! I guess i will order this one since its not that expensive compared to the other one i was going for

Thanks for the reply! I guess i will order this one since its not that expensive compared to the other one i was going for
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#1603
I could but you're better off just googling it.

#1604
I didn't check it yet but is this one
http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Placas-Video/Placas-Graficas/Sapphire-Radeon-RX480-Nitro-4GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-11260-02-20G-p-1-462007
in stock anywhere?

#1607
This isn't about open air vs blower. The "black brick" designs are simple the lowest cost version the AIBs could come up with. I'm not saying you can't build a good blower style cooler, but at the point where you go full plastic shroud and only use one fan not for noise related reasons but because half the fans means half the money spent of fans then that single fan is probably shit.
Those coolers are also typically just reused from old designs, which have a different die size so not all heatpipes are in contact with the die and so on.
Sometimes the manufacturer also locks the power target at a lower point than on the more expensive cards so they can't boost as high. After all there wouldn't be a point to buy those if there was no benefit.
Basically what I'm saying is black/grey blower cooler are the cheapest cards and they are so for a reason. Either because the cooler is shit or because they are artificially limited so they will be slower than the more expensive cards.
In this case since the reference cards are also more expensive these might actually be slower than the reference design. Which means all the reviews don't mean shit anymore.

About that test: I just skimmed it but they tested two cards with temperature target 80°C and what a surprise, both cards ran at 80°C.

Also let's take a step back and look at some benchmarks
This is without DX12 (except for Tomb Raider which runs worse on DX12, gg techpowerup) and Vulkan.

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_470_STRIX_OC/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

10%. Not 20%. Even less favourable for the 1060 with DX12 or Vulkan.

#1603
I could but you're better off just googling it.

#1604
I didn't check it yet but is this one
http://www.kuantokusta.pt/informatica/Placas-Video/Placas-Graficas/Sapphire-Radeon-RX480-Nitro-4GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-11260-02-20G-p-1-462007
in stock anywhere?

#1607
This isn't about open air vs blower. The "black brick" designs are simple the lowest cost version the AIBs could come up with. I'm not saying you can't build a good blower style cooler, but at the point where you go full plastic shroud and only use one fan not for noise related reasons but because half the fans means half the money spent of fans then that single fan is probably shit.
Those coolers are also typically just reused from old designs, which have a different die size so not all heatpipes are in contact with the die and so on.
Sometimes the manufacturer also locks the power target at a lower point than on the more expensive cards so they can't boost as high. After all there wouldn't be a point to buy those if there was no benefit.
Basically what I'm saying is black/grey blower cooler are the cheapest cards and they are so for a reason. Either because the cooler is shit or because they are artificially limited so they will be slower than the more expensive cards.
In this case since the reference cards are also more expensive these might actually be slower than the reference design. Which means all the reviews don't mean shit anymore.

About that test: I just skimmed it but they tested two cards with temperature target 80°C and what a surprise, both cards ran at 80°C.

Also let's take a step back and look at some benchmarks
This is without DX12 (except for Tomb Raider which runs worse on DX12, gg techpowerup) and Vulkan.
[img]https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_470_STRIX_OC/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png[/img]
10%. Not 20%. Even less favourable for the 1060 with DX12 or Vulkan.
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#1610
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What would be the best price to performance PC for TF2? cpu+gpu+ram

What would be the best price to performance PC for TF2? cpu+gpu+ram
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#1611
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#1610
Depends on your budget and how much performance you want.

Technically the Celeron G3900 got a better price to performance ratio than the i3-6100 since it gets you about 45% of the performance at 40% of the price.

Spoiler alert: Great price to performance doesn't equal great performance. It can just as well be terrible performance for a song.

#1610
Depends on your budget and how much performance you want.

Technically the Celeron G3900 got a better price to performance ratio than the i3-6100 since it gets you about 45% of the performance at 40% of the price.

Spoiler alert: Great price to performance doesn't equal great performance. It can just as well be terrible performance for a song.
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#1612
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Hey guys, I've recently been surprised by a birthday present which I was not expecting since it hasn't happened for 3 years.
My mother bought me a new computer which she knows very little about. She spend a little over 1k British pounds on it and it is not the best well rounded computer.

It is bundled although built on the spot and bought from meshcomputers.com

The specs are:

CPU:I7 6700
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA Z170 Gaming k3
Memory: 16GB RAM Corsair vengeance 2400mhz DDR4
Storage: 2tb Barracuda Harddrive 3.5" and 250 Gb SSD 850 EVO SATA @ Raid 1
Video Card: Nvidia Quadro NVS 310 510Mb RAM
Case: Corsair CC-9011084-WW-SPEC-ALPHA-Windowed-Mid-Tower
Power Supply: FSP HEXA 500W PSU 80 plus

I can already tell that you are cringing to how badly balanced this computer is, due to having everything at a very high quality and then cutting off at the gpu therefore bottlenecking the whole build. For the amount of money she spent, she could have bought a build way more well versed, but regardless. I can't change the build as it is shipping right now, nor would my mother let me do that - so the only way I can make the best of this is to buy a better graphics card.

I currently have 60 pounds and though will have around 20 - 30 pounds more next week as I am unemployed for the moment.
After some research on affordable GPU's I have turned my focus towards AMD as predicted, and came out with a pleasant result.XFX Radeon R7 360 2GB GDDR5 only at £82.99.
It fits nicely within my budget and outperforms my similar priced graphics card almost 800x as benchmarks do tell. I would like to run everything at the least on low and potentially at 1920 x 1080p since I never had that luxury before on my really terrible laptop.
I came here not to tell a story but to receive your insightful opinion on my current situation and whether you think this is the best move or if you think there's something I could do better.

Thanks for taking your time!

Hey guys, I've recently been surprised by a birthday present which I was not expecting since it hasn't happened for 3 years.
My mother bought me a new computer which she knows very little about. She spend a little over 1k British pounds on it and it is not the best well rounded computer.

It is bundled although built on the spot and bought from meshcomputers.com

The specs are:

CPU:[url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Quad-Core-i7-6700-3-4GHz-Processor/dp/B0136JONG8]I7 6700 [/url]
Motherboard: [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Z170-Gaming-K3-EU-1151-4x-DDR4-Max/dp/B01AUSEBHE]Gigabyte GA Z170 Gaming k3[/url]
Memory: [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMK16GX4M4A2400C14-Vengeance-2400MHz-Performance/dp/B00OTJZTJU] 16GB RAM Corsair vengeance 2400mhz DDR4[/url]
Storage: [url=https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DM001/dp/B005T3GRN2?tag=teamfortresst-20]2tb Barracuda Harddrive 3.5"[/url] and [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-250GB-850-EVO-SATA/dp/B00TGIVZTW]250 Gb SSD 850 EVO SATA @ Raid 1[/url]
Video Card: [url=https://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Multi-Display-Professional-VCNVS310DP-PB/dp/B008B6ONWQ?tag=teamfortresst-20]Nvidia Quadro NVS 310 510Mb RAM[/url]
Case: [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CC-9011084-WW-SPEC-ALPHA-Windowed-Mid-Tower/dp/B017XPPB1M]Corsair CC-9011084-WW-SPEC-ALPHA-Windowed-Mid-Tower [/url]
Power Supply: [url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/FSP-PPA5003200-HEXA-500W-PSU/dp/B004X62L8G]FSP HEXA 500W PSU 80 plus[/url]

I can already tell that you are cringing to how badly balanced this computer is, due to having everything at a very high quality and then cutting off at the gpu therefore bottlenecking the whole build. For the amount of money she spent, she could have bought a build way more well versed, but regardless. I can't change the build as it is shipping right now, nor would my mother let me do that - so the only way I can make the best of this is to buy a better graphics card.

I currently have 60 pounds and though will have around 20 - 30 pounds more next week as I am unemployed for the moment.
After some research on affordable GPU's I have turned my focus towards AMD as predicted, and came out with a pleasant result.[url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZCBEO2C/ref=ox_sc_mini_detail?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2OAJ7377F756P]XFX Radeon R7 360 2GB GDDR5 [/url] only at £82.99.
It fits nicely within my budget and outperforms my similar priced graphics card almost 800x as benchmarks do tell. I would like to run everything at the least on low and potentially at 1920 x 1080p since I never had that luxury before on my really terrible laptop.
I came here not to tell a story but to receive your insightful opinion on my current situation and whether you think this is the best move or if you think there's something I could do better.

Thanks for taking your time!
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#1613
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#1612
I'm actually sad.
Locked CPU but Z (overclocking) motherboard.
RAID1? Just why.
The PSU is garbage as well.

But a Quadro for games? Not only that but a 5 year old Quadro? That's borderline criminal. 5 year old GPUs shouldn't be sold as new.

Maybe sell one fo the 850 Evos to boost your budget a bit.

Otherwise a 360 is probably your best bet. If you're willing to wait a bit for a slightly higher budget you might be able to get an RX 460 for around 100£. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_11+1953+-+RX+460#xf_top

There also seem to be even cheaper 360s. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_9+1536+-+R7+360#xf_top

#1612
I'm actually sad.
Locked CPU but Z (overclocking) motherboard.
RAID1? Just why.
The PSU is garbage as well.

But a Quadro for games? Not only that but a 5 year old Quadro? That's borderline criminal. 5 year old GPUs shouldn't be sold as new.

Maybe sell one fo the 850 Evos to boost your budget a bit.

Otherwise a 360 is probably your best bet. If you're willing to wait a bit for a slightly higher budget you might be able to get an RX 460 for around 100£. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_11+1953+-+RX+460#xf_top

There also seem to be even cheaper 360s. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_9+1536+-+R7+360#xf_top
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#1614
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Setsul#1612
I'm actually sad.
Locked CPU but Z (overclocking) motherboard.
RAID1? Just why.
The PSU is garbage as well.

But a Quadro for games? Not only that but a 5 year old Quadro? That's borderline criminal. 5 year old GPUs shouldn't be sold as new.

Maybe sell one fo the 850 Evos to boost your budget a bit.

Otherwise a 360 is probably your best bet. If you're willing to wait a bit for a slightly higher budget you might be able to get an RX 460 for around 100£. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_11+1953+-+RX+460#xf_top

There also seem to be even cheaper 360s. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_9+1536+-+R7+360#xf_top

Yes, it is indeed very sad, but I'd like to keep the setup as it is and replace only the GPU, since it would be considered rude to sell a gift or a part of a gift from someone else, by the way I was raised.

Although I was thinking that if I had to sell anything to obtain money it would be one of the RAM sticks which would be the least needed on this build. and thanks for your opinion! I shall be upgrading my psu whenever i can therefore being able to buy a better gpu later on or maybe crossfire two cards if it ever deems necessary

[quote=Setsul]#1612
I'm actually sad.
Locked CPU but Z (overclocking) motherboard.
RAID1? Just why.
The PSU is garbage as well.

But a Quadro for games? Not only that but a 5 year old Quadro? That's borderline criminal. 5 year old GPUs shouldn't be sold as new.

Maybe sell one fo the 850 Evos to boost your budget a bit.

Otherwise a 360 is probably your best bet. If you're willing to wait a bit for a slightly higher budget you might be able to get an RX 460 for around 100£. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_11+1953+-+RX+460#xf_top

There also seem to be even cheaper 360s. http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9809_9+1536+-+R7+360#xf_top[/quote]

Yes, it is indeed very sad, but I'd like to keep the setup as it is and replace only the GPU, since it would be considered rude to sell a gift or a part of a gift from someone else, by the way I was raised.

Although I was thinking that if I had to sell anything to obtain money it would be one of the RAM sticks which would be the least needed on this build. and thanks for your opinion! I shall be upgrading my psu whenever i can therefore being able to buy a better gpu later on or maybe crossfire two cards if it ever deems necessary
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#1615
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-Nvidia-GeForce-Graphics-Express/dp/B00SLH1TFY/ref=sr_1_10?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1472743975&sr=1-10&keywords=gtx+780

would this be a ok gpu for a ok build? i aim to be playing games at a decent quality

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-Nvidia-GeForce-Graphics-Express/dp/B00SLH1TFY/ref=sr_1_10?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1472743975&sr=1-10&keywords=gtx+780

would this be a ok gpu for a ok build? i aim to be playing games at a decent quality
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#1616
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#1615
https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Radeon-Graphics-Card-GDDR5/dp/B00ZCBDVW6/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1472752099&sr=1-4&keywords=r9+380
Faster and cheaper.

Why the fuck would you search for a GTX 780?
It's been over 3 years since it has been released.

Also define "ok", "ok", "games" and "decent quality".

#1615
https://www.amazon.co.uk/XFX-Radeon-Graphics-Card-GDDR5/dp/B00ZCBDVW6/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1472752099&sr=1-4&keywords=r9+380
Faster and cheaper.

Why the fuck would you search for a GTX 780?
It's been over 3 years since it has been released.

Also define "ok", "ok", "games" and "decent quality".
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#1617
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SetsulWhy the fuck would you search for a GTX 780?
It's been over 3 years since it has been released.

AMD's cards from the same era have aged very well and i wouldnt hesitate to jump on them if you get a good deal.
Kepler on the other hand...

[quote=Setsul]
Why the fuck would you search for a GTX 780?
It's been over 3 years since it has been released.[/quote]
AMD's cards from the same era have aged very well and i wouldnt hesitate to jump on them if you get a good deal.
Kepler on the other hand...
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#1618
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#1617
Yeah but we're talking about amazon.
If it's that old it would either
a) not be in stock at all
b) or be close to the release price.

Case in point the only 7970 I could find was 300£. Even on amazon an RX 480 is cheaper than that. And more of them in stock, that's saying something.

#1617
Yeah but we're talking about amazon.
If it's that old it would either
a) not be in stock at all
b) or be close to the release price.

Case in point the only 7970 I could find was 300£. Even on amazon an RX 480 is cheaper than that. And more of them in stock, that's saying something.
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#1619
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Guys, what should I pick. rx 480 or gtx 1060. both are literally at the same price in my country. and I heard that rx 480 is more "future proof" , like running better in vulkan and some dx12 games than 1060. but the 1060 looks a bit more powerful than 480. tough choices here. :\

btw both are gtx 1060 6gb / rx 480 8gb and both are aftermarket of course.

Guys, what should I pick. rx 480 or gtx 1060. both are literally at the same price in my country. and I heard that rx 480 is more "future proof" , like running better in vulkan and some dx12 games than 1060. but the 1060 looks a bit more powerful than 480. tough choices here. :\

btw both are gtx 1060 6gb / rx 480 8gb and both are aftermarket of course.
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#1620
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#1619
Which aftermarket versions exactly?
Fuck "future proofing". Go by which games you're playing now, maybe by future games that you know you'll play.
Since aftermarket versions of them are so close in terms of performance it's important which ones exactly.

Another thing if you want G-Sync/FreeSync that's an obvious advantage for the 480, FreeSync monitors are about 100$ cheaper and there's a whole lot more of them.

#1619
Which aftermarket versions exactly?
Fuck "future proofing". Go by which games you're playing now, maybe by future games that you know you'll play.
Since aftermarket versions of them are so close in terms of performance it's important which ones exactly.

Another thing if you want G-Sync/FreeSync that's an obvious advantage for the 480, FreeSync monitors are about 100$ cheaper and there's a whole lot more of them.
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