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1351
#1351
4 Frags +

#1348
If you want to save money go with 2x4GB.

I can't help you with a decision between these two because I can't even tell which one is faster. There's more than 20 different 16GB kits from Kingston so I need either specs (frequency / timings) or the exact part number (should look similar to the Corsair one CMZ16GX3M2A1866C10, just a bunch of letters and numbers).

#1348
If you want to save money go with 2x4GB.

I can't help you with a decision between these two because I can't even tell which one is faster. There's more than 20 different 16GB kits from Kingston so I need either specs (frequency / timings) or the exact part number (should look similar to the Corsair one CMZ16GX3M2A1866C10, just a bunch of letters and numbers).
1352
#1352
-4 Frags +

I've been thinking about building my first pc, a budget one (500 USD) and this is the result:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($98.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($25.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $480.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-26 16:48 EDT-0400
So? Is it the best I can get for this price? TF2 is the only game I play. It would be awesome to hear you guys opinions, thanks beforehand :D

I've been thinking about building my first pc, a budget one (500 USD) and this is the result:
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/72wqkT]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/72wqkT/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/PnxfrH/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox]AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($98.95 @ Amazon)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/DnYXsY/msi-motherboard-760gmap34fx]MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/nMcMnQ/pny-memory-md8gsd3186610ab]PNY Anarchy 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory[/url] ($25.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3qmxFT/amd-internal-hard-drive-r3240gb]AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/ryX2FT/xfx-video-card-r9380p2255]XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card[/url] ($144.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zCsKHx/thermaltake-case-ca1b100m1wn01]Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $480.65
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-26 16:48 EDT-0400[/i]
So? Is it the best I can get for this price? TF2 is the only game I play. It would be awesome to hear you guys opinions, thanks beforehand :D
1353
#1353
-3 Frags +
Toxi-C-LoudI've been thinking about building my first pc, a budget one (500 USD) and this is the result:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($98.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($25.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $480.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-26 16:48 EDT-0400
So? Is it the best I can get for this price? TF2 is the only game I play. It would be awesome to hear you guys opinions, thanks beforehand :D

I have a family member who works with computers so the HDD and the OS it's not a problem.

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]I've been thinking about building my first pc, a budget one (500 USD) and this is the result:
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/72wqkT]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/72wqkT/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/PnxfrH/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox]AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($98.95 @ Amazon)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/DnYXsY/msi-motherboard-760gmap34fx]MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/nMcMnQ/pny-memory-md8gsd3186610ab]PNY Anarchy 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory[/url] ($25.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3qmxFT/amd-internal-hard-drive-r3240gb]AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/ryX2FT/xfx-video-card-r9380p2255]XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card[/url] ($144.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zCsKHx/thermaltake-case-ca1b100m1wn01]Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $480.65
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-26 16:48 EDT-0400[/i]
So? Is it the best I can get for this price? TF2 is the only game I play. It would be awesome to hear you guys opinions, thanks beforehand :D[/quote]
I have a family member who works with computers so the HDD and the OS it's not a problem.
1354
#1354
3 Frags +

#1352
Did you know there's an edit button?

Anyway, this is absolutely terrible for TF2. Anything beyond 3 cores doesn't help but you want those 3 to be as fast as possible. The FX-6300 is an ancient 6 core which means:
-You're paying for twice as much cores as you need.
-The cores you get are terribly slow.

Here we go, far better CPU, slightly better GPU:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $487.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:43 EDT-0400

Depending on the settings you could also get a cheaper GPU and an even better SSD.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $494.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:42 EDT-0400

If you can though wait until July. New GPUs are coming and they will be far cheaper for the same performance.

#1352
Did you know there's an edit button?

Anyway, this is absolutely terrible for TF2. Anything beyond 3 cores doesn't help but you want those 3 to be as fast as possible. The FX-6300 is an ancient 6 core which means:
-You're paying for twice as much cores as you need.
-The cores you get are terribly slow.

Here we go, far better CPU, slightly better GPU:
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhYQVY]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhYQVY/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/k27CmG/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($57.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($31.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/7v38TW/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311240rb]PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($59.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/fsZ2FT/asus-video-card-strixr9380dc2oc2gd5gaming]Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card[/url] ($134.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($34.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $487.78
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:43 EDT-0400[/i]


Depending on the settings you could also get a cheaper GPU and an even better SSD.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vXhm8K]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vXhm8K/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/k27CmG/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($57.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($31.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($92.00 @ B&H)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/djyxFT/msi-video-card-r73702gd5toc]MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card[/url] ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($34.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $494.79
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:42 EDT-0400[/i]



If you can though [b]wait until July[/b]. New GPUs are coming and they will be far cheaper for the same performance.
1355
#1355
-5 Frags +
Setsul#1352
Did you know there's an edit button?

Anyway, this is absolutely terrible for TF2. Anything beyond 3 cores doesn't help but you want those 3 to be as fast as possible. The FX-6300 is an ancient 6 core which means:
-You're paying for twice as much cores as you need.
-The cores you get are terribly slow.

Here we go, far better CPU, slightly better GPU:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $487.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:43 EDT-0400

Depending on the settings you could also get a cheaper GPU and an even better SSD.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($92.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $494.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:42 EDT-0400

If you can though wait until July. New GPUs are coming and they will be far cheaper for the same performance.

But that processor only has 2 cores and it has basically the same clock speed as the FX-6300 which has 6 cores BUT source games only use 3 cores, 1 less than the i3. So: 2x3.7<3x3.6
I have a lot of questions: Does the i3 use threading technology? How many threads it has? Can the threads reduce or improve performance in tf2? I heard the FX-6300 is just an under clocked FX-8xxx, is that true?
Please answer the questions like a civilised person, not like a salty fuckboi. I don't know much about processors.

[quote=Setsul]#1352
Did you know there's an edit button?

Anyway, this is absolutely terrible for TF2. Anything beyond 3 cores doesn't help but you want those 3 to be as fast as possible. The FX-6300 is an ancient 6 core which means:
-You're paying for twice as much cores as you need.
-The cores you get are terribly slow.

Here we go, far better CPU, slightly better GPU:
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhYQVY]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhYQVY/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/k27CmG/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($57.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($31.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/7v38TW/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311240rb]PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($59.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/fsZ2FT/asus-video-card-strixr9380dc2oc2gd5gaming]Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card[/url] ($134.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($34.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $487.78
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:43 EDT-0400[/i]


Depending on the settings you could also get a cheaper GPU and an even better SSD.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vXhm8K]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vXhm8K/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hV7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/k27CmG/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($57.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2gJkcf/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($31.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($92.00 @ B&H)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/djyxFT/msi-video-card-r73702gd5toc]MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card[/url] ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($34.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/zNK7YJ/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/product/2v9KHx/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $494.79
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-27 05:42 EDT-0400[/i]



If you can though [b]wait until July[/b]. New GPUs are coming and they will be far cheaper for the same performance.[/quote]
But that processor only has 2 cores and it has basically the same clock speed as the FX-6300 which has 6 cores BUT source games only use 3 cores, 1 less than the i3. So: 2x3.7<3x3.6
I have a lot of questions: Does the i3 use threading technology? How many threads it has? Can the threads reduce or improve performance in tf2? I heard the FX-6300 is just an under clocked FX-8xxx, is that true?
Please answer the questions like a civilised person, not like a salty fuckboi. I don't know much about processors.
1356
#1356
1 Frags +

no one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteen

no one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteen
1357
#1357
-3 Frags +
Tonshano one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteen

Why?

[quote=Tonsha]no one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteen[/quote]
Why?
1358
#1358
1 Frags +

Frequency is only useful if you're comparing CPUs from the same architecture. In this case each GHz of the intel chip is much more performance for each GHz of the AMD CPU. Listen to Setsul.

Frequency is only useful if you're comparing CPUs from the same architecture. In this case each GHz of the intel chip is much more performance for each GHz of the AMD CPU. Listen to Setsul.
1359
#1359
1 Frags +

I play team fortress 2 on a computer

I play team fortress 2 on a computer
1360
#1360
-3 Frags +
Tonshano one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteenTechDudeFrequency is only useful if you're comparing CPUs from the same architecture. In this case each GHz of the intel chip is much more performance for each GHz of the AMD CPU. Listen to Setsul.

Alright but what exactly makes the i3 better than the fx-6?

[quote=Tonsha]no one should be buying the 6300 in the year two thousand sixteen[/quote]
[quote=TechDude]Frequency is only useful if you're comparing CPUs from the same architecture. In this case each GHz of the intel chip is much more performance for each GHz of the AMD CPU. Listen to Setsul.[/quote]
Alright but what exactly makes the i3 better than the fx-6?
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#1361
1 Frags +

The i3 uses a more efficient technology which basically makes each hz more powerful. Maybe compare it to running people, the 6300 makes alot more steps but only 1cm each step, while the i3 makes less steps per seconds but he gets 1m with each step, so even tho the amd made more steps the i3 got further.

The i3 uses a more efficient technology which basically makes each hz more powerful. Maybe compare it to running people, the 6300 makes alot more steps but only 1cm each step, while the i3 makes less steps per seconds but he gets 1m with each step, so even tho the amd made more steps the i3 got further.
1362
#1362
5 Frags +

#1355
Ah yes, on one hand you say

Toxi-C-LoudI don't know much about processors.

but on the other hand you won't trust me.

Toxi-C-LoudBut that processor only has 2 cores and it has basically the same clock speed as the FX-6300 which has 6 cores BUT source games only use 3 cores, 1 less than the i3.

2 - 1 = 3?

Toxi-C-LoudSo: 2x3.7<3x3.6

Yeah, that's not how it works.
That's never how it works. A 2 core with higher clock speed might still be faster than 3+ cores with lower clockspeed. As long as the CPU can handle the total load only the fastest core matters. In TF2 the other 2 threads combined only produce 70% of the main thread's load. So it could run just fine on two cores. It doesn't on a real 2 core (Pentium / Celeron) but we'll get to that.

Toxi-C-LoudI have a lot of questions: Does the i3 use threading technology? How many threads it has? Can the threads reduce or improve performance in tf2?

Not exactly sure if you mean that, but yes it does use Hyperthreading so 4 threads.
I'm not going to explain why because you wouldn't understand, but in TF2 it works and you get around 95% of the performance of an i5 at the same clockrate (which is twice as expensive).

Toxi-C-LoudI heard the FX-6300 is just an under clocked FX-8xxx, is that true?

A 6 core is most definitely never an underclocked 8 core. That is not how cores work.
It's the same architecture (and even die) as the FX-8300 though.

#1357
Because it's 4 years old
I'm not recommending an i3-3240 either.

#1360
I'm going to give you the dummy explanation.
If you still don't believe I'll give you the technical explanation and you'll understand about 1 in 5 words.

CPUs don't execute one instruction per cycle. The try (doesn't always work) to do more than one. That's called IPC (instructions per cycle). So to get an idea how much work will actually get done comparatively multiply IPC and clockrate. The FX-6300 and i3-6100 might have similar clockrates but the i3's IPC is on average about 60% higher.

#1355
Ah yes, on one hand you say
[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]I don't know much about processors.[/quote]
but on the other hand you won't trust me.

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]
But that processor only has 2 cores and it has basically the same clock speed as the FX-6300 which has 6 cores BUT source games only use 3 cores, 1 less than the i3.[/quote]
2 - 1 = 3?

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]
So: 2x3.7<3x3.6[/quote]
Yeah, that's not how it works.
That's never how it works. A 2 core with higher clock speed might still be faster than 3+ cores with lower clockspeed. As long as the CPU can handle the total load only the fastest core matters. In TF2 the other 2 threads [b]combined[/b] only produce 70% of the main thread's load. So it could run just fine on two cores. It doesn't on a real 2 core (Pentium / Celeron) but we'll get to that.

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]
I have a lot of questions: Does the i3 use threading technology? How many threads it has? Can the threads reduce or improve performance in tf2?[/quote]
Not exactly sure if you mean that, but yes it does use Hyperthreading so 4 threads.
I'm not going to explain why because you wouldn't understand, but in TF2 it works and you get around 95% of the performance of an i5 at the same clockrate (which is twice as expensive).

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]
I heard the FX-6300 is just an under clocked FX-8xxx, is that true?[/quote]
A 6 core is most definitely never an underclocked 8 core. That is not how cores work.
It's the same architecture (and even die) as the FX-8300 though.

#1357
Because it's 4 years old
I'm not recommending an i3-3240 either.

#1360
I'm going to give you the dummy explanation.
If you still don't believe I'll give you the technical explanation and you'll understand about 1 in 5 words.

CPUs don't execute one instruction per cycle. The try (doesn't always work) to do more than one. That's called IPC (instructions per cycle). So to get an idea how much work will actually get done comparatively multiply IPC and clockrate. The FX-6300 and i3-6100 might have similar clockrates but the i3's IPC is on average about 60% higher.
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#1363
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Toxi-C-LoudAlright but what exactly makes the i3 better than the fx-6?

The i3 has much better single threaded performance than the fx, which is all that matters in tf2, and it has enough cores (2 or more) for tf2 to run optimally with it. Dedicating more than two cores to tf2 will not increase your framerates at all, as the game hasn't been optimised for multithreading

Essentially, the fx has six cores that together probably possess a similar amount of power to the i3-6300's two (four with hyperthreading), but tf2 can only utilise the first two cores, so all that extra performance in the amd cpu is wasted, on this game at least.

[quote=Toxi-C-Loud]Alright but what exactly makes the i3 better than the fx-6?[/quote]
The i3 has much better single threaded performance than the fx, which is all that matters in tf2, and it has enough cores (2 or more) for tf2 to run optimally with it. Dedicating more than two cores to tf2 will not increase your framerates at all, as the game hasn't been optimised for multithreading

Essentially, the fx has six cores that together probably possess a similar amount of power to the i3-6300's two (four with hyperthreading), but tf2 can only utilise the first two cores, so all that extra performance in the amd cpu is wasted, on this game at least.
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#1364
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Thank you all.
So the fx-6300 is worse because it uses old technology a not efficient one for real time processing, the architecture is old so it uses more power, hence the Source games use effectively only 3 cores it's an awful decision to pay this much for a 2011's processor that won't use its maximum potential.
The i3 6100 has newer architecture making it more energy efficient and has the performance needed for TF2, way faster than the AMD processor and it's worth the same, so guess which one I'll choose.
On the other hand I'm gonna wait until December to get my computer on Black-Friday, when the Rx 4xx non-reference GPUs are already in the market. I might as well increase my budget for my rig: 600 USD.
Again thank you guys for teaching me about CPUs I really appreciate it, it's always nice to learn something everyday.

Thank you all.
So the fx-6300 is worse because it uses old technology a not efficient one for real time processing, the architecture is old so it uses more power, hence the Source games use effectively only 3 cores it's an awful decision to pay this much for a 2011's processor that won't use its maximum potential.
The i3 6100 has newer architecture making it more energy efficient and has the performance needed for TF2, way faster than the AMD processor and it's worth the same, so guess which one I'll choose.
On the other hand I'm gonna wait until December to get my computer on Black-Friday, when the Rx 4xx non-reference GPUs are already in the market. I might as well increase my budget for my rig: 600 USD.
Again thank you guys for teaching me about CPUs I really appreciate it, it's always nice to learn something everyday.
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#1365
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#1364
Lots of interesting things will happen until December, even on the CPU side. Maybe we'll see some Kaby Lake and/or Zen CPUs.
Definitely post again shortly before you buy, I'll make an updated partlist for you.

#1364
Lots of interesting things will happen until December, even on the CPU side. Maybe we'll see some Kaby Lake and/or Zen CPUs.
Definitely post again shortly before you buy, I'll make an updated partlist for you.
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#1366
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Setsul#1348
If you want to save money go with 2x4GB.

I can't help you with a decision between these two because I can't even tell which one is faster. There's more than 20 different 16GB kits from Kingston so I need either specs (frequency / timings) or the exact part number (should look similar to the Corsair one CMZ16GX3M2A1866C10, just a bunch of letters and numbers).

Haha, I imagined that would be the case with the "information" given to me. It seems the models they have immediately are KVR13N9S8/4 and HX318C10FR/4 (177.595 vs 222.068 US dollars edit: ok, those models don't seem to be 8GB so idk anymore).

The guy told me they can get anything from the Kingston line, though.

I don't necessarily need to buy there; what should I look for in RAM? Dunno if that's related but I want to be able to open a fuck-ton of tabs on chrome, all with video, and play DM on TF2 whilst those videos run, for instance.

Thanks based Setsul for always helping here in the hardware section <3.

[quote=Setsul]#1348
If you want to save money go with 2x4GB.

I can't help you with a decision between these two because I can't even tell which one is faster. There's more than 20 different 16GB kits from Kingston so I need either specs (frequency / timings) or the exact part number (should look similar to the Corsair one CMZ16GX3M2A1866C10, just a bunch of letters and numbers).[/quote]

Haha, I imagined that would be the case with the "information" given to me. It seems the models they have immediately are KVR13N9S8/4 and HX318C10FR/4 (177.595 vs 222.068 US dollars edit: ok, those models don't seem to be 8GB so idk anymore).

The guy told me they can get anything from the Kingston line, though.

I don't necessarily need to buy there; what should I look for in RAM? Dunno if that's related but I want to be able to open a fuck-ton of tabs on chrome, all with video, and play DM on TF2 whilst those videos run, for instance.

Thanks based Setsul for always helping here in the hardware section <3.
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#1367
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#1366
Chrome isn't ideal since it eats RAM like it's free but even then 8GB should be more than enough (TF2 uses 500-700MB).

Those are 4GB modules so he's trying to sell you 4 of them. Just get 2 (8GB total) and save half the money.

I'd get the faster one (HyperX) the other one is a bit slow.

As to what to look for: You want at least 1600MHz (frequency / speed) CL9 (timings).
For frequency higher is better
Timings are difficult, lower is better but you have to divide by the frequency first. So the 1333MHz CL9 RAM got worse timings than 1600MHz CL9 which in turn is still slower than 1866MHz CL10.

#1366
Chrome isn't ideal since it eats RAM like it's free but even then 8GB should be more than enough (TF2 uses 500-700MB).

Those are 4GB modules so he's trying to sell you 4 of them. Just get 2 (8GB total) and save half the money.

I'd get the faster one (HyperX) the other one is a bit slow.

As to what to look for: You want at least 1600MHz (frequency / speed) CL9 (timings).
For frequency higher is better
Timings are difficult, lower is better but you have to divide by the frequency first. So the 1333MHz CL9 RAM got worse timings than 1600MHz CL9 which in turn is still slower than 1866MHz CL10.
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#1368
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is there any way i could buy a pc that can run tf2, csgo and overwatch well for 400 euro?

is there any way i could buy a pc that can run tf2, csgo and overwatch well for 400 euro?
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#1369
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#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.

#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.
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#1370
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Setsul#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.

"well" would be a pc that runs those games at good fps without any problems and a pc that is upgradeable

could you maybe tell me which price would be optimal for buliding a decent pc?
would it be possible to build a decent pc with a budget around 600 euro?

[quote=Setsul]#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.[/quote]

"well" would be a pc that runs those games at good fps without any problems and a pc that is upgradeable

could you maybe tell me which price would be optimal for buliding a decent pc?
would it be possible to build a decent pc with a budget around 600 euro?
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#1371
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Mark____Setsul#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.

"well" would be a pc that runs those games at good fps without any problems and a pc that is upgradeable

could you maybe tell me which price would be optimal for buliding a decent pc?
would it be possible to build a decent pc with a budget around 600 euro?

Define "good fps" :D, could be 60 fps, 120/144 fps, 300 fps

[quote=Mark____][quote=Setsul]#1368
Define "well".

I'd say no. Maybe used if you're lucky but that's it.[/quote]

"well" would be a pc that runs those games at good fps without any problems and a pc that is upgradeable

could you maybe tell me which price would be optimal for buliding a decent pc?
would it be possible to build a decent pc with a budget around 600 euro?[/quote]

Define "good fps" :D, could be 60 fps, 120/144 fps, 300 fps
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#1372
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#1370
Define "good fps". Cinematic 30 fps? 60 fps? 120fps? Also settings in Overwatch would be important to know.
But yeah it's not really happening with 400€.
600€ should be doable.

I don't think there's an optimal budget. 600 is a good starting point though. It depends on prices so maybe you can get what you want for 550, maybe you need 620 or have to sacrifice something.

Do you know which shop(s) you'll be buying from or a price comparision site? There's often more than one part that would do the job but I can only guess which one would be cheaper for you.

#1370
Define "good fps". Cinematic 30 fps? 60 fps? 120fps? Also settings in Overwatch would be important to know.
But yeah it's not really happening with 400€.
600€ should be doable.

I don't think there's an optimal budget. 600 is a good starting point though. It depends on prices so maybe you can get what you want for 550, maybe you need 620 or have to sacrifice something.

Do you know which shop(s) you'll be buying from or a price comparision site? There's often more than one part that would do the job but I can only guess which one would be cheaper for you.
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#1373
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Setsul#1370
Define "good fps". Cinematic 30 fps? 60 fps? 120fps?
DamnEasyDefine "good fps" :D, could be 60 fps, 120/144 fps, 300 fps

Good fps would be consistent 120+fps or just consistent 100+fps

Setsul#1370
I don't think there's an optimal budget. 600 is a good starting point though. It depends on prices so maybe you can get what you want for 550, maybe you need 620 or have to sacrifice something.

Alright, my budget can go to 600-700 euro max

Setsul#1370
Do you know which shop(s) you'll be buying from or a price comparision site? There's often more than one part that would do the job but I can only guess which one would be cheaper for you.

I will have to be buying it from a local store so these 2 are the most popular ones here:
https://www.links.hr/en/
http://www.instar-informatika.hr - under Izbor Valute in the top right corner you can chose Eur (€)

However you can feel free to give me some parts which arent in these stores, I might still be able to find them in other ones

Setsul#1370
Also settings in Overwatch would be important to know.

I don't need the highest settings or w/e just being able to run the game at 100+fps at the default settings and even lowering the settings wont really bother me as long as the game runs at 100+fps

[quote=Setsul]#1370
Define "good fps". Cinematic 30 fps? 60 fps? 120fps? [/quote]

[quote=DamnEasy]
Define "good fps" :D, could be 60 fps, 120/144 fps, 300 fps[/quote]

Good fps would be consistent 120+fps or just consistent 100+fps

[quote=Setsul]#1370
I don't think there's an optimal budget. 600 is a good starting point though. It depends on prices so maybe you can get what you want for 550, maybe you need 620 or have to sacrifice something.[/quote]

Alright, my budget can go to 600-700 euro max

[quote=Setsul]#1370
Do you know which shop(s) you'll be buying from or a price comparision site? There's often more than one part that would do the job but I can only guess which one would be cheaper for you.[/quote]

I will have to be buying it from a local store so these 2 are the most popular ones here:
https://www.links.hr/en/
http://www.instar-informatika.hr - under Izbor Valute in the top right corner you can chose Eur (€)

However you can feel free to give me some parts which arent in these stores, I might still be able to find them in other ones

[quote=Setsul]#1370
Also settings in Overwatch would be important to know.
[/quote]

I don't need the highest settings or w/e just being able to run the game at 100+fps at the default settings and even lowering the settings wont really bother me as long as the game runs at 100+fps
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#1374
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Mark____is there any way i could buy a pc that can run tf2, csgo and overwatch well for 400 euro?

Not my build - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lonxu/saved/MRNmP6 but I think it pretty well fits your requirements.
However RX 480 will cost a little more than in the list.

[quote=Mark____]is there any way i could buy a pc that can run tf2, csgo and overwatch well for 400 euro?[/quote]
Not my build - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lonxu/saved/MRNmP6 but I think it pretty well fits your requirements.
However RX 480 will cost a little more than in the list.
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#1375
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#1373
When are you going to build?

If you can wait for the 470 / 460, those should be just about what you need.

How much storage do you need? It would make it easier if you need less than 250GB because then you wouldn't need an HDD for now, but HDD + SSD should be possible as well.

I haven't worked out the exact prices and components yet but the usual i5-6500 (maybe 6600), 8GB RAM, 250GB 850 Evo etc. build should work.

#1373
When are you going to build?

If you can wait for the 470 / 460, those should be just about what you need.

How much storage do you need? It would make it easier if you need less than 250GB because then you wouldn't need an HDD for now, but HDD + SSD should be possible as well.

I haven't worked out the exact prices and components yet but the usual i5-6500 (maybe 6600), 8GB RAM, 250GB 850 Evo etc. build should work.
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#1376
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Setsul#1373
When are you going to build?

If you can wait for the 470 / 460, those should be just about what you need.

How much storage do you need? It would make it easier if you need less than 250GB because then you wouldn't need an HDD for now, but HDD + SSD should be possible as well.

I haven't worked out the exact prices and components yet but the usual i5-6500 (maybe 6600), 8GB RAM, 250GB 850 Evo etc. build should work.

I am most likely going to be buying the pc next month, so I've got a lot of time.

I dont really need a lot of storage, 250GB will be just fine for me. I've been used to the 150GB life ever since I started using computers.

[quote=Setsul]#1373
When are you going to build?

If you can wait for the 470 / 460, those should be just about what you need.

How much storage do you need? It would make it easier if you need less than 250GB because then you wouldn't need an HDD for now, but HDD + SSD should be possible as well.

I haven't worked out the exact prices and components yet but the usual i5-6500 (maybe 6600), 8GB RAM, 250GB 850 Evo etc. build should work.[/quote]

I am most likely going to be buying the pc next month, so I've got a lot of time.

I dont really need a lot of storage, 250GB will be just fine for me. I've been used to the 150GB life ever since I started using computers.
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#1377
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#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.

#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.
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#1378
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Setsul#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.

Alright, will do. Thank you!

[quote=Setsul]#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.[/quote]

Alright, will do. Thank you!
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#1379
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Setsul#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.

Alright, well turns out I am able to build it now.

However, I can only get the parts from these 2 sites:
https://www.links.hr/en/ - this one is much preferred
http://www.chipoteka.hr

[quote=Setsul]#1376
Ok, post again in the week before you build to remind me and I'll figure out a partlist with the the prices at that time.
No point in doing it yet if the prices might change again.[/quote]

Alright, well turns out I am able to build it now.

However, I can only get the parts from these 2 sites:
https://www.links.hr/en/ - this one is much preferred
http://www.chipoteka.hr
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#1380
0 Frags +

You know that doesn't improve the situation since the 470 and 460 aren't released yet?

You know that doesn't improve the situation since the 470 and 460 aren't released yet?
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