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1171
#1171
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#1169
Overclocking yes/no?
New GPUs around mid 2016 so if you can wait I'd recommend doing so.

If your internet is bad enough to "bottleneck" you are you sure you'll be able to stream? Because streaming has a huge impact on CPU load and I'd rather not have you spend 100$ more on an i7 if you won't be able to stream anyway.

#1170
Ok, first of all Pentium (2 Cores), i3 (2 Cores + Hyperthreading -> 4 Threads), i5 (4C), i7 (4C/8T) of the same generation are all the same architecture. So if something runs on only 1 core you'll get pretty much the same performance on a 4GHz Pentium as on a 4GHz i7.
Sounds good so far, right? Don't get your hopes up, TF2 is weird.
I did some tests and while multithreading gets you at best +30% (with 4 cores, fewer cores and it's even less), going from 1 to 2 cores with "multicore rendering" disabled gets you +25%. A third core gets you another 15%. 2 cores with Hyperthreading work just as well as 3 cores, including multithreading (in this case around +18%). To make matters worse multithreading doesn't really do anything (+1%) on 2 cores. The end result is that an i3-4170 (3.7GHz), which is only 20-30$ more expensive than a Pentium G3258 plus a cooler, ends up being as fast as said Pentium close to 5GHz.
So that's the first problem, for TF2 an i3-4170 would be faster.
I'm not sure about Dwarf Fortress but since it's purely single singlethreaded the Pentium G3258 should be faster.
I also confirmed that TF2 likes fast RAM, so if it's the same for Dwarf Fortress then Skyalke, which supports DDR4 might be a better idea. The problem here is that the motherboards are more expensive and there's no unlocked Pentium.

To summarize:
Price: G3258 > i3-4170 > i3-6100 (> as in better = cheaper)
TF2 performance: i3-6100 > i3-4170 > G3258
Dwarf Fortress perf: G3258 > i3-6100 > i3-4170

I'm not sure what I should recommend.

#1169
Overclocking yes/no?
New GPUs around mid 2016 so if you can wait I'd recommend doing so.

If your internet is bad enough to "bottleneck" you are you sure you'll be able to stream? Because streaming has a huge impact on CPU load and I'd rather not have you spend 100$ more on an i7 if you won't be able to stream anyway.

#1170
Ok, first of all Pentium (2 Cores), i3 (2 Cores + Hyperthreading -> 4 Threads), i5 (4C), i7 (4C/8T) of the same generation are all the same architecture. So if something runs on only 1 core you'll get pretty much the same performance on a 4GHz Pentium as on a 4GHz i7.
Sounds good so far, right? Don't get your hopes up, TF2 is weird.
I did some tests and while multithreading gets you at best +30% (with 4 cores, fewer cores and it's even less), going from 1 to 2 cores with "multicore rendering" disabled gets you +25%. A third core gets you another 15%. 2 cores with Hyperthreading work just as well as 3 cores, including multithreading (in this case around +18%). To make matters worse multithreading doesn't really do anything (+1%) on 2 cores. The end result is that an i3-4170 (3.7GHz), which is only 20-30$ more expensive than a Pentium G3258 plus a cooler, ends up being as fast as said Pentium close to [b]5[/b]GHz.
So that's the first problem, for TF2 an i3-4170 would be faster.
I'm not sure about Dwarf Fortress but since it's purely single singlethreaded the Pentium G3258 should be faster.
I also confirmed that TF2 likes fast RAM, so if it's the same for Dwarf Fortress then Skyalke, which supports DDR4 might be a better idea. The problem here is that the motherboards are more expensive and there's no unlocked Pentium.

To summarize:
Price: G3258 > i3-4170 > i3-6100 (> as in better = cheaper)
TF2 performance: i3-6100 > i3-4170 > G3258
Dwarf Fortress perf: G3258 > i3-6100 > i3-4170

I'm not sure what I should recommend.
1172
#1172
0 Frags +
Setsul#1169
Overclocking yes/no?
New GPUs around mid 2016 so if you can wait I'd recommend doing so.

If your internet is bad enough to "bottleneck" you are you sure you'll be able to stream? Because streaming has a huge impact on CPU load and I'd rather not have you spend 100$ more on an i7 if you won't be able to stream anyway.

I may be over-exaggerating. My internet should be good enough to stream (60 mb/s down 5 mb/s up) but even if I'm not streaming, or my internet is bad enough that I can't stream at a good quality, I still want a solid computer that can play current games at good fps, because while my current computer is great for tf2 at shit settings, it struggles with newer games like the Division etc, even on low.

*edit* Also no to overclocking unless I have to.

[quote=Setsul]#1169
Overclocking yes/no?
New GPUs around mid 2016 so if you can wait I'd recommend doing so.

If your internet is bad enough to "bottleneck" you are you sure you'll be able to stream? Because streaming has a huge impact on CPU load and I'd rather not have you spend 100$ more on an i7 if you won't be able to stream anyway.
[/quote]

I may be over-exaggerating. My internet should be good enough to stream (60 mb/s down 5 mb/s up) but even if I'm not streaming, or my internet is bad enough that I can't stream at a good quality, I still want a solid computer that can play current games at good fps, because while my current computer is great for tf2 at shit settings, it struggles with newer games like the Division etc, even on low.

*edit* Also no to overclocking unless I have to.
1173
#1173
0 Frags +

I've compiled an example and edited the CPU and motherboard for non-overclocking. Would this build fit the needs to stream with 720/30fps?

http://pcpartpicker.com

I've compiled an example and edited the CPU and motherboard for non-overclocking. Would this build fit the needs to stream with 720/30fps?

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Deadstate/saved/9qZhP6]http://pcpartpicker.com[/url]
1174
#1174
1 Frags +

you don't need a k series if you don't want to overclock

you don't need a k series if you don't want to overclock
1175
#1175
0 Frags +
JackmanI've compiled an example and edited the CPU and motherboard for non-overclocking. Would this build fit the needs to stream with 720/30fps?

http://pcpartpicker.com

maybe use a 6600 and bump that to a 960 or 970

[quote=Jackman]I've compiled an example and edited the CPU and motherboard for non-overclocking. Would this build fit the needs to stream with 720/30fps?

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Deadstate/saved/9qZhP6]http://pcpartpicker.com[/url][/quote]

maybe use a 6600 and bump that to a 960 or 970
1176
#1176
0 Frags +

Hey guys,
i would like to build a pc with the budget of $1700-$2000
i want to be able to play TF2 and csgo games with constant fps over 200-300
i already have a H170-Gaming 3 Motherboard ( LGA-1151 )

Thanks!

Hey guys,
i would like to build a pc with the budget of $1700-$2000
i want to be able to play TF2 and csgo games with constant fps over 200-300
i already have a H170-Gaming 3 Motherboard ( LGA-1151 )

Thanks!
1177
#1177
4 Frags +

#1172
Internet shouldn't be a problem if you get stable 5Mbit/s up.
I asked because a 100$ step up for the CPU won't do anything if you're not streaming but will be absolutely worth it if you do.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($81.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $940.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 14:30 EDT-0400

The Xeon options are just a sidegrades (E3-1230 v5 slightly lower turbo but overall 20$ cheaper, E3-1240 v5 0.1GHz lower turbo but 0.1GHz higher turbo). http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rdpVrH

You could in theory get a more powerful GPU like an R9 Fury.

I'd recommend waiting for the new GPUs either way though, if you can.

#1173
You don't need an i7 if you're only going to stream 720p/30fps.
You don't need an aftermarket cooler if you're not going to overclock.
You don't need a Z mobo if you're not going to overclock.
You don't need 16GB RAM.
You don't need extra case fans if you get a proper case. The Antec 302 is 4 years old, the 300 is 8 years old and both are a extremely outdated design.
I won't even bother and ask if you've bought case, SSD, fans and ODD already or why you said you'd get an Antec 300 and then linked a 302.
No point in spending more time on this since you're still ignoring that you can't plan for next year and appear to have a faible for outdated parts.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($81.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $636.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 13:52 EDT-0400

#1176
Why did you buy a motherboard?
Any other parts I should know about that you already bought?
Is that budget with or without the mobo?

#1172
Internet shouldn't be a problem if you get stable 5Mbit/s up.
I asked because a 100$ step up for the CPU won't do anything if you're not streaming but will be absolutely worth it if you do.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jtwCsY]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jtwCsY/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700]Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($329.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($81.97 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($33.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($88.00 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixr9390dc3oc8gd5gaming]Asus Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card[/url] ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1]EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $940.82
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 14:30 EDT-0400[/i]

The Xeon options are just a sidegrades (E3-1230 v5 slightly lower turbo but overall 20$ cheaper, E3-1240 v5 0.1GHz lower turbo but 0.1GHz higher turbo). http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rdpVrH

You could in theory get a more powerful GPU like an R9 Fury.

[b]I'd recommend waiting for the new GPUs[/b] either way though, if you can.

#1173
You don't need an i7 if you're only going to stream 720p/30fps.
You don't need an aftermarket cooler if you're not going to overclock.
You don't need a Z mobo if you're not going to overclock.
You don't need 16GB RAM.
You don't need extra case fans if you get a proper case. The Antec 302 is 4 years old, the 300 is 8 years old and both are a extremely outdated design.
I won't even bother and ask if you've bought case, SSD, fans and ODD already or why you said you'd get an Antec 300 and then linked a 302.
No point in spending more time on this since you're still ignoring that you can't plan for next year and appear to have a faible for outdated parts.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZdyLvK]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZdyLvK/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($81.97 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($33.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($88.00 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42951kr]EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB Superclocked Video Card[/url] ($149.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-drw24b1stblkbas]Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer[/url] ($19.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Total:[/b] $636.82
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 13:52 EDT-0400[/i]

#1176
Why did you buy a motherboard?
Any other parts I should know about that you already bought?
Is that budget with or without the mobo?
1178
#1178
0 Frags +

I had won it at lan so i want to make the use of it.
its the only part i have got.

I had won it at lan so i want to make the use of it.
its the only part i have got.
1179
#1179
2 Frags +

#1178
That is actually perfectly reasonable, I just wasn't expecting anything reasonable today anymore.
Congrats on winning.

I'm not sure what to do with the budget though. You can't overclock with that motherboard, an i7 definitely won't do anything for TF2 (haven't benchmarked CS:GO though) and a better GPU won't do anything either (380 is pretty much overkill for both and should server you well in other game).
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($332.00 @ IJK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170-GAMING 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($61.60 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.00 @ CPL Online)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card ($289.00 @ CPL Online)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.00 @ Umart)
Total: $1013.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-20 10:48 AEDT+1100

#1178
That is actually perfectly reasonable, I just wasn't expecting anything reasonable today anymore.
Congrats on winning.

I'm not sure what to do with the budget though. You can't overclock with that motherboard, an i7 definitely won't do anything for TF2 (haven't benchmarked CS:GO though) and a better GPU won't do anything either (380 is pretty much overkill for both and should server you well in other game).
[url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/psQhnQ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/psQhnQ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($332.00 @ IJK)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gah170gaming3]Gigabyte GA-H170-GAMING 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (Purchased For $0.00)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gvr]G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($61.60 @ Newegg Australia)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($129.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($69.30 @ Newegg Australia)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixr9380dc2oc2gd5gaming]Asus Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card[/url] ($289.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse300kkn2]Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($56.00 @ Umart)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430m]Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($77.00 @ Umart)
[b]Total:[/b] $1013.90
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-20 10:48 AEDT+1100[/i]
1180
#1180
0 Frags +

Hey Setsul i'm interested in building a PC
I want to overclock.
After reading the posts above i'm not sure about the 212 evo
However I this fits criteria of your grips that you had on other posts.
I am very much open to criticism.
Have a budget of 700 and do not need to buy peripherals
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card ($128.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $637.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 20:32 EDT-0400
EDIT:
I have a ssd and a hardrive
forgot to mention games
Rust any settings
TF2
Csgo
Maybe some other AAA games one medium settings

Hey Setsul i'm interested in building a PC
I want to overclock.
After reading the posts above i'm not sure about the 212 evo
However I this fits criteria of your grips that you had on other posts.
I am very much open to criticism.
Have a budget of 700 and do not need to buy peripherals
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HpcNXL]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HpcNXL/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600k]Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rrb10212pg1]Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] ($25.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z170mpro4s]ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gvr]G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($36.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r73702gd5toc]MSI Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card[/url] ($128.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1]EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $637.81
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 20:32 EDT-0400[/i]
EDIT:
I have a ssd and a hardrive
forgot to mention games
Rust any settings
TF2
Csgo
Maybe some other AAA games one medium settings
1181
#1181
4 Frags +

#1180
That's not a 212 Evo though, that's a 212 Plus and it's more expensive than the Evo right now.
There are 2 rules regarding the 212s:
1. At 20$ they are great, at 25$ they are ok and at 30$ they are not worth buying.
2. They are budget coolers. Only get them if you absolutely can't afford a better cooler.

So with them being at 25$ and plenty of budget left there's no reason to get either.

Also for 30$ more you can get a 380 instead of that 370 -> ~50% more fps in those "other AAA games".
Changed mobo and RAM, same specs but it saves you 8$.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $664.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-20 06:01 EDT-0400

#1180
That's not a 212 Evo though, that's a 212 Plus and it's more expensive than the Evo right now.
There are 2 rules regarding the 212s:
1. At 20$ they are great, at 25$ they are ok and at 30$ they are not worth buying.
2. They are budget coolers. Only get them if you absolutely can't afford a better cooler.

So with them being at 25$ and plenty of budget left there's no reason to get either.

Also for 30$ more you can get a 380 instead of that 370 -> ~50% more fps in those "other AAA games".
Changed mobo and RAM, same specs but it saves you [b]8$[/b].

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XmpNXL]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XmpNXL/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600k]Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($34.50 @ Newegg)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz170md3h]Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($94.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($33.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r93802gd5toc]MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card[/url] ($154.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1]EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $664.44
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-20 06:01 EDT-0400[/i]
1182
#1182
0 Frags +

Thanks for the help & information Setsul. Canceled that case order btw.

I have another question though. I have the GTX 950 would it be any benefit to upgrade the GPU later in order to run 2 monitors on 2 different GPUs, or just toss the 950?

Thanks for the help & information Setsul. Canceled that case order btw.

I have another question though. I have the GTX 950 would it be any benefit to upgrade the GPU later in order to run 2 monitors on 2 different GPUs, or just toss the 950?
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#1183
0 Frags +

Let's all just wait for new gpus coming out soon if upgrading.

Let's all just wait for new gpus coming out soon if upgrading.
1184
#1184
0 Frags +

looking for a good 30-60 dollar range cpu cooler, these are my specs:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6T4myc

currently have the Cooler Master Seidon 120V 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler and used for 2-3 years.
preferably looking for air cooler now.
would love if it was same red/black color scheme or just normal metallic look.

looking for a good 30-60 dollar range cpu cooler, these are my specs:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6T4myc

currently have the Cooler Master Seidon 120V 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler and used for 2-3 years.
preferably looking for air cooler now.
would love if it was same red/black color scheme or just normal metallic look.
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#1185
0 Frags +
Setsul#1169

Ok, here is a tentative parts list based on your advice
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Vt2n3C

I've dropped the pentium in favor of the i3-6100 and upped to a Z170 motherboard with DDR4- 3200 RAM (the highest the mobo supports). I have heard that the Z170 allows the i3-6100 to be base-clock over-clocked, although I think recently Intel might have blocked this. Even if this recent change of heart can't be circumvented, I think this is a solid build for ~$500.
This article http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review claims even without overclocking, RAM made a significant difference with the i3-6100. DDR4-3200 might be overkill but you said tf2 likes fast ram and I know dwarf fortress loves it. So the most important question is: Do you think I could squeeze 240 fps out of this in a 6v6 game with configs?

[quote=Setsul]#1169

[/quote]

Ok, here is a tentative parts list based on your advice
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Vt2n3C

I've dropped the pentium in favor of the i3-6100 and upped to a Z170 motherboard with DDR4- 3200 RAM (the highest the mobo supports). I have heard that the Z170 allows the i3-6100 to be base-clock over-clocked, although I think recently Intel might have blocked this. Even if this recent change of heart can't be circumvented, I think this is a solid build for ~$500.
This article http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review claims even without overclocking, RAM made a significant difference with the i3-6100. DDR4-3200 might be overkill but you said tf2 likes fast ram and I know dwarf fortress loves it. So the most important question is: Do you think I could squeeze 240 fps out of this in a 6v6 game with configs?
1186
#1186
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#1182
Do you even need to upgrade though? And no, seperate GPUs for each monitor won't do anything. Load during desktop usage is laughable and you'll run games on only one monitor anyway.
If you do upgrade just try selling the old GPU.

#1184
Red/black is difficult to find red/white is quite common though.
RAIJINTEK EreBoss would be an option.

#1185
They did block it, but if you're willing to take the risk you can try it and see if it still works. "By default" it's still possible you just can't update the BIOS to one of the versions that disable it. So if your mobo still got one of the earlier BIOS versions installed (which it most likely has) then it should work.
Also watch out for windows updates that include "microcode updates". Microsoft sometimes does that and you might find your overclock is gone after rebooting after you installed such an update.

Be aware that you won't be able to fix the "768k bug" since that microcode update would disable overclocking.

I haven't seen any reviews yet but the ASRock Fatal1ty H170 Performance/Hyper and B150 Gaming K4/Hyper should be able to bypass all the restrictions and even with updates allow you to overclock. ASRock can't really advertise them because Intel is still mad.

Other than that slightly cheaper RAM and a faster SSD:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $498.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 04:49 EDT-0400

Yes, 240fps should be possible.

#1182
Do you even need to upgrade though? And no, seperate GPUs for each monitor won't do anything. Load during desktop usage is laughable and you'll run games on only one monitor anyway.
If you do upgrade just try selling the old GPU.

#1184
Red/black is difficult to find red/white is quite common though.
[url= http://pcpartpicker.com/part/raijintek-cpu-cooler-0p105250]RAIJINTEK EreBoss[/url] would be an option.

#1185
They did block it, but if you're willing to take the risk you can try it and see if it still works. "By default" it's still possible you just can't update the BIOS to one of the versions that disable it. So if your mobo still got one of the earlier BIOS versions installed (which it most likely has) then it should work.
Also watch out for windows updates that include "microcode updates". Microsoft sometimes does that and you might find your overclock is gone after rebooting after you installed such an update.

Be aware that you won't be able to fix the "768k bug" since that microcode update would disable overclocking.

I haven't seen any reviews yet but the ASRock Fatal1ty H170 Performance/Hyper and B150 Gaming K4/Hyper should be able to bypass all the restrictions and even with updates allow you to overclock. ASRock can't really advertise them because Intel is still mad.

Other than that slightly cheaper RAM and a faster SSD:
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vZY7cf]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vZY7cf/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i36100]Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($112.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z170mpro4s]ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($82.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/team-memory-tdprd48g3200hc16adc0]Team Dark Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory[/url] ($45.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx950dc2oc2]Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card[/url] ($139.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430m]Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($28.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $498.82
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 04:49 EDT-0400[/i]

Yes, 240fps should be possible.
1187
#1187
-2 Frags +

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#1188
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#1187
Seems like a useless deal.
The regular price is 350$.
Neither 14$ nor 20$ rebate would make it cheaper than the 850 Evo which is faster.

#1187
Seems like a useless deal.
The regular price is [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-shss37a960g]350$[/url].
Neither 14$ nor 20$ rebate would make it cheaper than the [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e1t0bam]850 Evo[/url] which is faster.
1189
#1189
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Hey Setsul or anybody else, I need to get a new computer as this one is getting pretty old and is showing in its performance. Budget of about $1200 USD, I still need to get a monitor and keyboard so I'd like to keep the actual computer build around or below $1000. Just wondering if this build is ideal/ the best use of my money.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LmwsRB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LmwsRB/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Corsair Force LS 60GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.79 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($295.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $909.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-29 20:37 EDT-0400

Hey Setsul or anybody else, I need to get a new computer as this one is getting pretty old and is showing in its performance. Budget of about $1200 USD, I still need to get a monitor and keyboard so I'd like to keep the actual computer build around or below $1000. Just wondering if this build is ideal/ the best use of my money.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LmwsRB
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LmwsRB/by_merchant/

[b]CPU: [/b]Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($17.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Storage:[/b] Corsair Force LS 60GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($32.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage: [/b]Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.79 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($295.00 @ Newegg)
[i]Case:[/i] Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $909.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-29 20:37 EDT-0400
1190
#1190
0 Frags +

Around 600 dollar budget. Mainly for playing tf2 and csgo. How does this look?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JZX9hM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JZX9hM/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($61.38 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $616.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-30 16:33 EDT-0400

Around 600 dollar budget. Mainly for playing tf2 and csgo. How does this look?


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JZX9hM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JZX9hM/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($61.38 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $616.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-30 16:33 EDT-0400
1191
#1191
4 Frags +

#1189
You want to overclock, right? Then why cheap out on the cooler? The TX3 is barely better than a stock cooler.
Same for the SSD, 60GB is not enough to be useful. Also due to terrible design the write speed halves if the capacity is halved so the 60GB sits at <90MB/s sequential write, half of what a 7200rpm HDD does.
As always 390 > 970. New GPUs coming in a few months though, I'd wait.

You messed up slightly on the PSU, this is why I say don't go by brand. EVGA got a gazillion different 80+ Gold fully modular PSUs.

___ = wattage
Nex ___G and ___ G1: made by FSP, fairly average and generally unimpressive. Not sure which one you picked since pcp calls it "Nex 650W" but uses the "G10650" part number. It should be the same unit either way, the only difference being warranty.
___ G2: made by Super Flower, excellent PSU, usually far cheaper than anything that even comes close.
___ GS and ___ GQ: made by Seasonic and FSP, respectively. This is where things get a bit weird.
The 550 / 650W GS and 650 / 750W GQ are good, the GQ being slightly better, but both with only average ripple supression.
There is no 550W GQ and even weirder no 750W GS.
The >= 850W units of both the GS and GQ series actually use different platforms than the lower wattage ones. The GQs are very good and the GS' are excellent, almost as good as the G2.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($86.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($299.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $936.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-31 05:19 EDT-0400

You could even get a G2 if you wanted to.

#1190
"Mainly tf2 and csgo" what else? You might be able to get a cheaper GPU and add an SSD.
Or depending on how much capacity you need you could go with only a 250GB SSD and no HDD for now. You can always add an HDD later, but adding an SSD means reinstalling windows.

#1189
You want to overclock, right? Then why cheap out on the cooler? The TX3 is barely better than a stock cooler.
Same for the SSD, 60GB is not enough to be useful. Also due to terrible design the write speed halves if the capacity is halved so the 60GB sits at <90MB/s sequential write, half of what a 7200rpm HDD does.
As always 390 > 970. New GPUs coming in a few months though, I'd wait.

You messed up slightly on the PSU, this is why I say don't go by brand. EVGA got a gazillion different 80+ Gold fully modular PSUs.

___ = wattage
Nex ___G and ___ G1: made by FSP, fairly average and generally unimpressive. Not sure which one you picked since pcp calls it "Nex 650W" but uses the "G10650" part number. It should be the same unit either way, the only difference being warranty.
___ G2: made by Super Flower, excellent PSU, usually far cheaper than anything that even comes close.
___ GS and ___ GQ: made by Seasonic and FSP, respectively. This is where things get a bit weird.
The 550 / 650W GS and 650 / 750W GQ are good, the GQ being slightly better, but both with only average ripple supression.
There is no 550W GQ and even weirder no 750W GS.
The >= 850W units of both the GS and GQ series actually use different platforms than the lower wattage ones. The GQs are very good and the GS' are excellent, almost as good as the G2.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WzRpZL]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WzRpZL/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600k]Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($239.95 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($34.50 @ Newegg)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z170pro4s]ASRock Z170 Pro4S ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($82.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/geil-memory-gpr48gb2400c15dc]GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($32.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($86.98 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr939wf28gd]Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card[/url] ($299.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-200r]Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-210gq0650]EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
[b]Total:[/b] $936.26
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-31 05:19 EDT-0400[/i]

You could even get a [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1]G2[/url] if you wanted to.

#1190
"Mainly tf2 and csgo" what else? You might be able to get a cheaper GPU and add an SSD.
Or depending on how much capacity you need you could go with only a 250GB SSD and no HDD for now. You can always add an HDD later, but adding an SSD means reinstalling windows.
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#1192
0 Frags +
Setsul#1190
"Mainly tf2 and csgo" what else? You might be able to get a cheaper GPU and add an SSD.
Or depending on how much capacity you need you could go with only a 250GB SSD and no HDD for now. You can always add an HDD later, but adding an SSD means reinstalling windows.

I have a spare ssd so I'd just use that

[quote=Setsul]
#1190
"Mainly tf2 and csgo" what else? You might be able to get a cheaper GPU and add an SSD.
Or depending on how much capacity you need you could go with only a 250GB SSD and no HDD for now. You can always add an HDD later, but adding an SSD means reinstalling windows.[/quote]

I have a spare ssd so I'd just use that
1193
#1193
3 Frags +

#1192
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($81.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $595.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-02 13:39 EDT-0400

mATX case is optional.
I wouldn't recommend the 431 Plus though, no dust filters and no 2.5" mounts.

#1192
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K7NNJx]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K7NNJx/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($194.99 @ B&H)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($81.97 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/geil-memory-gpr48gb2400c15dc]GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($32.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9380p4255]XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card[/url] ($169.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($39.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $595.80
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-02 13:39 EDT-0400[/i]

mATX case is optional.
I wouldn't recommend the 431 Plus though, no dust filters and no 2.5" mounts.
1194
#1194
4 Frags +

Since I got asked about it here's some updates on what I think is going to happen regarding the new GPUs.

I can't give you any exact performance numbers, since that depends on clock speeds (which might be tweaked to make the performance fit the segment they're going for) and the actual number of execution units, which I can only guess at this point. I definitely won't talk about how the salvage chips stack up to each (e.g. will the cut down version of "big Polaris" beat the cut down version of "mid Pascal") since that depends on those and on top of that also how many cut down versions there will be (2 or 3?) and how far cut down they are (which again might be decided by market placement, rather than technical reasons).

So here's what I think is most likely (no guarantee that it'll actually happen exactly like that):
AMD (code names are a mess):
"small Polaris"/Polaris 11/Baffin: Performance around 370 / 380 (AMD) or 950 / 760 / 960 (nVidia), 3-4GB GDDR5, vastly more efficient but not all that interesting on desktop. Important for AMD since they need efficient "low end" GPUs for mobile where they've been losing ground to nVidia. This is the one AMD demoed back in January, so it should definitely be ready for computex, launching it sooner doesn't make much sense. Availability might be bad since most of them will be going into mobile, unless you care about power consumption immensely AMD already got a very strong lineup in that performance segment.

"big Polaris"/former "mid" Polaris/Polaris 10/Ellesmere: Performance around 390X / 980, 4-8GB most likely GDDR5, again vastly more efficient, we're talking just above 100W. These are the cards that I think will be the most interesting. Think 390 except with better performance and half the power draw. Since there's no HBM and it's a fairly small chip compared to the old high end chips we could see some pretty good prices here. I'm expecting it to be ready slightly after small Polaris so they're probably trying to have it in time for Computex as well. If they have to delay it for some reason or want GDDR5X at all cost we might only see it later in Q3, in that case GDDR5X seems possible/likely. They'd probably do a "on paper launch" at Computex with working GPUs, but not have enough volume to ship them until late Q3.

Vega/"small Vega"/former "big Polaris"/Vega 10/Greenland: Performance around 20-30% faster than Fury X / 980 Ti, 8GB HBM2, same deal with the efficiency (>Titan X performance at 980 power draw (<200W)). Probably around Q4 2016 at best, Q1 2017 seems most likely. This is mostly because of HBM2 availability, since they probably won't want to run out of stock like with the Fury.

After that we'll most likely see "big Vega"/Vega 11/ maybe Vega 20 (fuck these code names) sometime around Q2 2017, significantly faster than the Fury X / 980 Ti, ballpark figure would be +70%, probably 16GB HBM2, but this is all pure speculation. At that point it's a matter of how far you want to go since bigger chip size does have a significant negative impact. Going bigger doesn't only affect those GPUs, it also means your next GPUs with a possibly more area efficient architecture need to be bigger to be faster by large enough of a margin to sell well. So you want to hold back as much as possible without giving up market share/sales/profit to the competition or even just due to people not buying and waiting for the next gen. On 14/16nm neither AMD nor nVidia can or want to go balls to the wall with 600mm² chips for the sake of the performance crown in the consumer segment since it wouldn't be profitable. Both will put a lot of thought into how big their new high end chips will be so I really can't predict that yet.

Now nVidia:
GP107/"very small/entry level Pascal": Very similar to small Polaris/Polaris 11, maybe slightly slower. Will probably appear in Q1 2017 so not worth talking about yet.

GP106/"small Pascal": Performance around the 380X / 970, so between small (11) and big (10) Polaris, probably 4GB GDDR5X, launching probably Q4 2016.

GP104/"mid Pascal": Performance slightly faster than Fury X / 980 Ti and therefore somewhere between big Polaris and small Vega, 8GB GDDR5X, possibly GDDR5. Now this is where it gets complicated. I'm fairly certain that this is the chip that nVidia was just about to get in January, which means that it won't be ready for computex. There's also the fact that quite a few people are fairly certain that it will use GDDR5X which they won't get enough volume until then either. On the other hand they probably don't want to let AMD just grab the juicy 300-500$ market, so a paper launch at computex, which will indeed look impressive on paper since it should beat big Polaris significantly, seems likely. At the same time I'm not all that fussed about it since it will beat the Titan X. That's right, performance is a downside here. They don't want to massively devalue all of their cards so they actually have to charge a massive premium for them. Not that nVidia will mind that or wouldn't have done so anyway. Since they still have to compete somehow we could see some very nice price drops on the 980 and 970 though. Again nVidia won't mind since they got terrific yields on those. In light of the DX12 issues of Maxwell, possibly another round of driver induced performance gimping and the fact that you really don't want a monopoly that probably won't change my recommendation. Unless AMD fucks up "big Polaris" is where it's at.

GP102/"big Pascal": see "big Vega", about 70% (plus minus 20%, it's that uncertain) faster than Fury X / 980 Ti, 16GB HBM2, Q2 2017, pure speculation.

tl;dr
Releases:
Computex (June):
Polaris 11
Polaris 10
GP104 (on paper)

Q3:
GP104 (actual availability)

Q4:
GP106
possibly Vega 10 (on paper)

early Q1 2017:
Vega 10 (actual launch)

sometime Q1 2017:
Gp107

Q2 or later 2017:
Vega 11 or 20, whatever they'll call it.
GP102

Performance of the full chip, cut down versions will be lower* (lowest to highest):
GP107
for reference 380 / 960 are about here
Polaris 11
GP106
for reference 390 / 970 are about here
Polaris 10
for reference 390X / 980 are about here
for reference Fury X / 980 Ti are about here
GP104
Vega 10
GP102
Vega 11

*There will be overlap, e.g. cut down Polaris 11 between cut down GP107 and full GP107 seems likely

still tl;dr
Computex (June) 2016: POLARIS 10 GET HYPE

Since I got asked about it here's some updates on what I think is going to happen regarding the new GPUs.

I can't give you any exact performance numbers, since that depends on clock speeds (which might be tweaked to make the performance fit the segment they're going for) and the actual number of execution units, which I can only guess at this point. I definitely won't talk about how the salvage chips stack up to each (e.g. will the cut down version of "big Polaris" beat the cut down version of "mid Pascal") since that depends on those and on top of that also how many cut down versions there will be (2 or 3?) and how far cut down they are (which again might be decided by market placement, rather than technical reasons).

So here's what I think is most likely (no guarantee that it'll actually happen exactly like that):
AMD (code names are a mess):
"small Polaris"/Polaris 11/Baffin: Performance around 370 / 380 (AMD) or 950 / 760 / 960 (nVidia), 3-4GB GDDR5, vastly more efficient but not all that interesting on desktop. Important for AMD since they need efficient "low end" GPUs for mobile where they've been losing ground to nVidia. This is the one AMD demoed back in January, so it should definitely be ready for computex, launching it sooner doesn't make much sense. Availability might be bad since most of them will be going into mobile, unless you care about power consumption immensely AMD already got a very strong lineup in that performance segment.

"big Polaris"/former "mid" Polaris/Polaris 10/Ellesmere: Performance around 390X / 980, 4-8GB most likely GDDR5, again vastly more efficient, we're talking just above 100W. These are the cards that I think will be the most interesting. Think 390 except with better performance and half the power draw. Since there's no HBM and it's a fairly small chip compared to the old high end chips we could see some pretty good prices here. I'm expecting it to be ready slightly after small Polaris so they're probably trying to have it in time for Computex as well. If they have to delay it for some reason or want GDDR5X at all cost we might only see it later in Q3, in that case GDDR5X seems possible/likely. They'd probably do a "on paper launch" at Computex with working GPUs, but not have enough volume to ship them until late Q3.

Vega/"small Vega"/former "big Polaris"/Vega 10/Greenland: Performance around 20-30% faster than Fury X / 980 Ti, 8GB HBM2, same deal with the efficiency (>Titan X performance at 980 power draw (<200W)). Probably around Q4 2016 at best, Q1 2017 seems most likely. This is mostly because of HBM2 availability, since they probably won't want to run out of stock like with the Fury.

After that we'll most likely see "big Vega"/Vega 11/ maybe Vega 20 (fuck these code names) sometime around Q2 2017, significantly faster than the Fury X / 980 Ti, ballpark figure would be +70%, probably 16GB HBM2, but this is all pure speculation. At that point it's a matter of how far you want to go since bigger chip size does have a significant negative impact. Going bigger doesn't only affect those GPUs, it also means your next GPUs with a possibly more area efficient architecture need to be bigger to be faster by large enough of a margin to sell well. So you want to hold back as much as possible without giving up market share/sales/profit to the competition or even just due to people not buying and waiting for the next gen. On 14/16nm neither AMD nor nVidia can or want to go balls to the wall with 600mm² chips for the sake of the performance crown in the consumer segment since it wouldn't be profitable. Both will put a lot of thought into how big their new high end chips will be so I really can't predict that yet.


Now nVidia:
GP107/"very small/entry level Pascal": Very similar to small Polaris/Polaris 11, maybe slightly slower. Will probably appear in Q1 2017 so not worth talking about yet.

GP106/"small Pascal": Performance around the 380X / 970, so between small (11) and big (10) Polaris, probably 4GB GDDR5X, launching probably Q4 2016.

GP104/"mid Pascal": Performance slightly faster than Fury X / 980 Ti and therefore somewhere between big Polaris and small Vega, 8GB GDDR5X, possibly GDDR5. Now this is where it gets complicated. I'm fairly certain that this is the chip that nVidia was just about to get in January, which means that it won't be ready for computex. There's also the fact that quite a few people are fairly certain that it will use GDDR5X which they won't get enough volume until then either. On the other hand they probably don't want to let AMD just grab the juicy 300-500$ market, so a paper launch at computex, which will indeed look impressive on paper since it should beat big Polaris significantly, seems likely. At the same time I'm not all that fussed about it since it will beat the Titan X. That's right, performance is a downside here. They don't want to massively devalue all of their cards so they actually have to charge a massive premium for them. Not that nVidia will mind that or wouldn't have done so anyway. Since they still have to compete somehow we could see some very nice price drops on the 980 and 970 though. Again nVidia won't mind since they got terrific yields on those. In light of the DX12 issues of Maxwell, possibly another round of driver induced performance gimping and the fact that you really don't want a monopoly that probably won't change my recommendation. Unless AMD fucks up "big Polaris" is where it's at.

GP102/"big Pascal": see "big Vega", about 70% (plus minus 20%, it's that uncertain) faster than Fury X / 980 Ti, 16GB HBM2, Q2 2017, pure speculation.


[b]tl;dr[/b]
Releases:
Computex (June):
Polaris 11
[b]Polaris 10[/b]
GP104 (on paper)

Q3:
GP104 (actual availability)

Q4:
GP106
possibly Vega 10 (on paper)

early Q1 2017:
Vega 10 (actual launch)

sometime Q1 2017:
Gp107

Q2 or later 2017:
Vega 11 or 20, whatever they'll call it.
GP102

Performance of the full chip, cut down versions will be lower* (lowest to highest):
GP107
for reference 380 / 960 are about here
Polaris 11
GP106
for reference 390 / 970 are about here
[b]Polaris 10[/b]
for reference 390X / 980 are about here
for reference Fury X / 980 Ti are about here
GP104
Vega 10
GP102
Vega 11

*There will be overlap, e.g. cut down Polaris 11 between cut down GP107 and full GP107 seems likely

[b]still tl;dr[/b]
[b]Computex (June) 2016: POLARIS 10 GET HYPE[/b]
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#1195
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Hey, I want to buy a gaming build that can run games like TF2 and CS:GO well (150+ FPS), dont need anything extreme.

I wanted to ask if anyone knows how good these builds linked below would be and if they arent good, Id love if you guys could give me some builds which would be optimal or something like that.

Im talking about builds like this:

http://puu.sh/otX66/bfd2594a10.png
http://puu.sh/otX9h/b1c33e83ff.png

It would be great if the price was from 500-600 dollars (450 - 550 euro).
I also want to be able to upgrade it over time.

Any help is much appreciated!

Hey, I want to buy a gaming build that can run games like TF2 and CS:GO well (150+ FPS), dont need anything extreme.

I wanted to ask if anyone knows how good these builds linked below would be and if they arent good, Id love if you guys could give me some builds which would be optimal or something like that.

Im talking about builds like this:

http://puu.sh/otX66/bfd2594a10.png
http://puu.sh/otX9h/b1c33e83ff.png

It would be great if the price was from 500-600 dollars (450 - 550 euro).
I also want to be able to upgrade it over time.

Any help is much appreciated!
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#1196
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#1195
When are you going to build it? New GPUs and more importantly CPUs this summer.

Are you willing/able to overclock?

The AMD FX-x3x0 (6300, 8320, etc) are really not good for TF2 for two reasons:
1. The concept behind them is to trade single threaded performance for more cores. TF2 loves single single threaded perfomance and can't do anything with more than 3 cores. So the whole concept of 2x the cores, 0.8x the single threaded performance just gets you cores you won't use and 0.8x the performance.
2. They are 4 years old. Don't buy a 4 years old CPU.

What you should be looking for is an i5-6600 (or 6500 since it's slightly cheaper), or an i5-6600K if you want to overclock, or wait for their respective successors.

#1195
When are you going to build it? New GPUs and more importantly CPUs this summer.

Are you willing/able to overclock?

The AMD FX-x3x0 (6300, 8320, etc) are really not good for TF2 for two reasons:
1. The concept behind them is to trade single threaded performance for more cores. TF2 loves single single threaded perfomance and can't do anything with more than 3 cores. So the whole concept of 2x the cores, 0.8x the single threaded performance just gets you cores you won't use and 0.8x the performance.
2. They are 4 years old. Don't buy a 4 years old CPU.

What you should be looking for is an i5-6600 (or 6500 since it's slightly cheaper), or an i5-6600K if you want to overclock, or wait for their respective successors.
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#1197
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Setsul#1195
When are you going to build it? New GPUs and more importantly CPUs this summer.

Are you willing/able to overclock?

I am most likely going to be building it this summer so I guess I can wait for the new GPUs and CPUs if thats better.

I dont really care at all about overclocking so I wont be doing it I dont think. Should I though?

[quote=Setsul]#1195
When are you going to build it? New GPUs and more importantly CPUs this summer.

Are you willing/able to overclock?
[/quote]

I am most likely going to be building it this summer so I guess I can wait for the new GPUs and CPUs if thats better.

I dont really care at all about overclocking so I wont be doing it I dont think. Should I though?
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#1198
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#1197
Yeah, just post again here 1 or 2 weeks before you want to build it.

Overclocking would get you better performance in TF2 but since it costs time and money it would just be a waste of money if you won't do it anyway. I'm not sure if I could've made it happen on that budget anyway but I live for challenges like this.

#1197
Yeah, just post again here 1 or 2 weeks before you want to build it.

Overclocking would get you better performance in TF2 but since it costs time and money it would just be a waste of money if you won't do it anyway. I'm not sure if I could've made it happen on that budget anyway but I live for challenges like this.
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#1199
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Setsul#1197
Yeah, just post again here 1 or 2 weeks before you want to build it.

Overclocking would get you better performance in TF2 but since it costs time and money it would just be a waste of money if you won't do it anyway. I'm not sure if I could've made it happen on that budget anyway but I live for challenges like this.

Alright, will look up some things about overclocking.

Thanks a lot man!

[quote=Setsul]#1197
Yeah, just post again here 1 or 2 weeks before you want to build it.

Overclocking would get you better performance in TF2 but since it costs time and money it would just be a waste of money if you won't do it anyway. I'm not sure if I could've made it happen on that budget anyway but I live for challenges like this.[/quote]

Alright, will look up some things about overclocking.

Thanks a lot man!
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#1200
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Just ordered a i5-2400 to upgrade from my pentium g860. Would I be able to record with an i5 sandy bridge?

Just ordered a i5-2400 to upgrade from my pentium g860. Would I be able to record with an i5 sandy bridge?
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