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#991
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CPU: Intel Core i3-4170
Motherboard: MSI B85M-P33 V3 - Intel B85
GPU: ASUS R7 360-OC-2GD5, 2GB
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866
HDD: WD Caviar Blue EX - 1TB
Case: Evolveo R05
PSU: Seasonic S12II-430 430W
Total:12500 CZK (462€)

Is this ok for TF2,CSGO,OW?
I can't go over the total price.
Thanks

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170
Motherboard: MSI B85M-P33 V3 - Intel B85
GPU: ASUS R7 360-OC-2GD5, 2GB
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866
HDD: WD Caviar Blue EX - 1TB
Case: Evolveo R05
PSU: Seasonic S12II-430 430W
Total:12500 CZK (462€)

Is this ok for TF2,CSGO,OW?
I can't go over the total price.
Thanks
992
#992
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#991
http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/521804/pc-build-thread

#991
http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/521804/pc-build-thread
993
#993
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#991
Went over it once more.

I recommended a 260X, which is out of stock now as well, but I found a 750 Ti (slightly better) a bit cheaper. Since it doesn't need any external power connectors you can save a bit on the PSU. However that means you can't really upgrade the GPU later. If you think you might want to you can get a Be quiet! Pure Power L8 300W for 220 Kč more instead. Or an L8 400W (another 200 Kč more) if you think you'll buy a >200W GPU later.

I still haven't bothered to find a better case.

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3310 Kč
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 1166 Kč
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 1768 Kč
GPU: PALiT GTX 750 Ti StormX 3136 Kč
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 - 1TB 1449 Kč
PSU: Seasonic SS-350ET 350W 979 Kč
Case: Evolveo R05 730 Kč
Total:12538 CZ

#991
Went over it once more.

I recommended a [url=http://www.czc.cz/sapphire-r7-260x-1gb-gddr5-oc_2/152724/produkt]260X[/url], which is out of stock now as well, but I found a 750 Ti (slightly better) a bit cheaper. Since it doesn't need any external power connectors you can save a bit on the PSU. However that means you can't really upgrade the GPU later. If you think you might want to you can get a [url=http://www.czc.cz/be-quiet-pure-power-l8-300w/131628/produkt]Be quiet! Pure Power L8 300W[/url] for 220 Kč more instead. Or an [url=http://www.czc.cz/be-quiet-pure-power-l8-400w/131630/produkt]L8 400W[/url] (another 200 Kč more) if you think you'll buy a >200W GPU later.

I still haven't bothered to find a better case.

CPU: [url=http://www.czc.cz/intel-core-i3-4170/169982/produkt]Intel Core i3-4170[/url] 3310 Kč
RAM: [url=http://www.czc.cz/kingston-hyperx-fury-blue-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1866/150145/produkt]Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866[/url] 1166 Kč
Motherboard: [url=http://www.czc.cz/msi-b85m-g43-intel-b85/131813/produkt]MSI B85M-G43[/url] 1768 Kč
GPU: [url=http://www.czc.cz/palit-gtx-750-ti-stormx-1gb/178527/produkt]PALiT GTX 750 Ti StormX[/url] 3136 Kč
HDD: [url=http://www.czc.cz/seagate-barracuda-7200-14-1tb/99689/produkt]Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 - 1TB[/url] 1449 Kč
PSU: [url=http://www.czc.cz/seasonic-ss-350et-350w/105972/produkt]Seasonic SS-350ET 350W[/url] 979 Kč
Case: [url=http://www.czc.cz/evolveo-r05-cerna/163856/produkt]Evolveo R05[/url] 730 Kč
Total:12538 CZ
994
#994
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Thank you a lot Setstul, you really helped me.

Thank you a lot Setstul, you really helped me.
995
#995
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I dont know if this is the right thread but
I want to upgrade my graphics card, atm i have a nvidia GeForce GT 530 and a budget of around 200-250 euro.
My pc is an Asus CM6330,
I use my pc mostly for tf2 and video editing.
What do you guys suggest?

I dont know if this is the right thread but
I want to upgrade my graphics card, atm i have a nvidia GeForce GT 530 and a budget of around 200-250 euro.
My pc is an Asus CM6330,
I use my pc mostly for tf2 and video editing.
What do you guys suggest?
996
#996
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Build sent by Setsul
My friend can go up 120 pounds in the budget for this build. So hes looking for a better graphics card and CPU.

[url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/519211/pc-build-thread]Build sent by Setsul[/url]
My friend can go up 120 pounds in the budget for this build. So hes looking for a better graphics card and CPU.
997
#997
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#995
Which model exactly? Speccy output would be fine too.
Better GPU won't help for video editing or TF2 on low settings though. All CPU.

#996
Is he going to build soon? I won't redo this build every week, just tell me a few days before he's going to buy everything.

#995
Which model exactly? Speccy output would be fine too.
Better GPU won't help for video editing or TF2 on low settings though. All CPU.

#996
Is he going to build soon? I won't redo this build every week, just tell me a few days before he's going to buy everything.
998
#998
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#997
This will be the finalized thing and he'll buy it the following week. I'll quote him:

cook7:08 PM - Cook: Yeah.
7:09 PM - Cook: Build could be 500
7:09 PM - Cook: I mean..
7:10 PM - Cook: Yeah.
#997
This will be the finalized thing and he'll buy it the following week. I'll quote him:
[quote=cook]7:08 PM - Cook: Yeah.
7:09 PM - Cook: Build could be 500
7:09 PM - Cook: I mean..
7:10 PM - Cook: Yeah.
[/quote]
999
#999
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Biostar TA970 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $405.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-17 17:15 EST-0500

Want to help a friend
Has a a atx case and a budget of 450 bucks and also has a hard drive and cpu cooler.
Is not planning to overclock
Wants to play rust csgo and tf2
his case is a http://www.pc-specs.com/case/Azzatek/AZZA_EOS_204_Gaming_Case/1654
or a Azza EOS 204

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GQTgvK]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GQTgvK/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox]AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor[/url] ($139.99 @ Micro Center)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-ta970]Biostar TA970 ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($59.33 @ OutletPC)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbxl]G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43753kr]EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card[/url] ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-110b10750vr]EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $405.19
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-17 17:15 EST-0500[/i]

Want to help a friend
Has a a atx case and a budget of 450 bucks and also has a hard drive and cpu cooler.
Is not planning to overclock
Wants to play rust csgo and tf2
his case is a http://www.pc-specs.com/case/Azzatek/AZZA_EOS_204_Gaming_Case/1654
or a Azza EOS 204
1000
#1000
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#998
Am I missing something?

MubbyMy mate has a budget of 400-500 (GBP)Mubbycook7:09 PM - Cook: Build could be 500

How is that 120 GBP more?

#999
The FX-8350 is a terrible idea for TF2 and CS:GO.
Also a 750W PSU for a 264W build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $451.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-17 18:16 EST-0500

Haswell alternative: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VHNVxr
Still have to test RAM speed vs timings for TF2. Maybe this weekend.

#998
Am I missing something?
[quote=Mubby]My mate has a budget of 400-500 (GBP)[/quote]
[quote=Mubby]
[quote=cook]7:09 PM - Cook: Build could be 500[/quote] [/quote]
How is that 120 GBP more?

#999
The FX-8350 is a terrible idea for TF2 and CS:GO.
Also a 750W PSU for a 264W build?

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FPs7t6]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FPs7t6/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($78.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42800c16d8grr]G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory[/url] ($39.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r72652gd5oc]MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card[/url] ($103.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500]Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $451.83
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-17 18:16 EST-0500[/i]

Haswell alternative: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VHNVxr
Still have to test RAM speed vs timings for TF2. Maybe this weekend.
1001
#1001
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#997
http://imgur.com/1Xb5sAI
I am not good with computers. Is this what you wanted to know? And what cpu model do you suggest?

#997
http://imgur.com/1Xb5sAI
I am not good with computers. Is this what you wanted to know? And what cpu model do you suggest?
1002
#1002
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#1001
Not really, it's neither the exact model number nor speccy output.
Doesn't really matter now anyway. You can't afford an i7 or Xeon (and they wouldn't help in TF2) and the best i5 that would fit your mobo is the i5-3570, about 9% faster than what you already got. Even if you could find it at all (3 generations / 3 years old) and if you could find it for 250€ (less if you're really lucky), 250€ for a 9% improvement doesn't make sense. I mean you could try finding a used one and selling yours, but for 9% I don't think it's worth the effort.

You can't afford anything that would be a signifcant CPU upgrade, sorry.

For any other game a better GPU would definitely help and make sense.

#1001
Not really, it's neither the exact model number nor speccy output.
Doesn't really matter now anyway. You can't afford an i7 or Xeon (and they wouldn't help in TF2) and the best i5 that would fit your mobo is the i5-3570, about 9% faster than what you already got. Even if you could find it at all (3 generations / 3 years old) and if you could find it for 250€ (less if you're really lucky), 250€ for a 9% improvement doesn't make sense. I mean you could try finding a used one and selling yours, but for 9% I don't think it's worth the effort.

You can't afford anything that would be a signifcant CPU upgrade, sorry.

For any other game a better GPU would definitely help and make sense.
1003
#1003
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Thanks for the advice!

Thanks for the advice!
1004
#1004
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So I figured I’d build my first PC, to replace a 2007 MBP that hasn’t been able to properly run TF2 since 2012, relegating me to just watching comp. So obviously there is probably a ton of uninformed and stupid stuff in the post below. Thanks to everybody who contributed in this thread, it’s been a great resource. I’m looking to order the parts before Christmas and build before New Year’s. If there is any advice you guys could give, especially w/r/t the mobo/PSU/case choices, that’d be wonderful.

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Goals: There’s a ton of current games that I’d like to try, less for graphics, mainly for story (my most played game is probably Dwarf Fortress), and also pretty much anything going back to even 2011. So I guess the goal would be to be able to play current titles like Fallout 4, XCOM 2, etc. on mid settings in 1080p. I’ll also need some computing power for Matlab stuff in the near future (math student with master thesis coming up here), so a good CPU would be nice, what with Matlab supporting multiple threads fairly well. Everything else should be covered in the rationale below.

Budget: I can live with where I am now, considering I’ll still need to get a monitor, which is likely to end up being some €100 thing. I guess I could justify going up to €750, mainly if there’s a better/more stable HD out there.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (€201.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€75.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€44.36 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€51.45 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card (€209.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€51.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: be quiet! 530W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€79.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €715.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 13:14 CET+0100

Rationale for part choices:
4590: As said above, I’d like a reasonably powerful CPU, and by the time I’ll upgrade the CPU, I’ll probably also need to replace the motherboard and RAM for socket reasons, so the 4590 seemed like a sensible choice. Matlab and other computation software is also multithreaded pretty well, so the quad-core makes sense.

Mobo: I can’t really make an informed decision on this one. As far as I can tell, the benefits of higher end motherboards are overclocking capabilities (which I don’t want to do), more PCIe slots (although any board should support what I’m going to use) and support for stuff like DDR4 RAM (which would be nice to have, but not enough of a priority to spend a lot of money now instead of upgrading later). Is there any reason I shouldn’t just get the cheapest µATX board I can get?

RAM: 8GB seems like enough, and the manufacturer appears to be popular in this thread and elsewhere.

HD: I’ve been reading about WD drive failures being a common thing, but I don’t really know which manufacturer makes good drives in that price range. So ???

380: As far as current games go, this seems like the sweet spot where you get good performance with only slight limitations as far as setting go, if you’re not on 1440p or higher. The 380X isn’t available in Germany yet as far as I can tell, but ultimately I probably wouldn’t be able to justify the higher price point anyway.

Case: Seeing as this is my first build, getting something that’s easy to build in should be a priority, and from the things I read this is the case with this case. Otherwise, I can’t really tell what makes one case better than another, so there’s probably a cheaper alternative out there that’s just as good.

PSU: Again, this being my first build made me reach for a semi-modular PSU, and the wattage should be enough for any future upgrades. The brand seems to have a fairly good reputation, so that’s basically what I went off of.

Upgrade path: I’m fairly confident this rig should be capable of running newer titles for the next ~1.5 years, by which time I might look into upgrading the GPU and at some point the CPU+mobo+RAM. I’ll think about that when I’m unhappy with the performance I get though.
So I figured I’d build my first PC, to replace a 2007 MBP that hasn’t been able to properly run TF2 since 2012, relegating me to just watching comp. So obviously there is probably a ton of uninformed and stupid stuff in the post below. Thanks to everybody who contributed in this thread, it’s been a great resource. I’m looking to order the parts before Christmas and build before New Year’s. If there is any advice you guys could give, especially w/r/t the mobo/PSU/case choices, that’d be wonderful.

[spoiler]

Goals: There’s a ton of current games that I’d like to try, less for graphics, mainly for story (my most played game is probably Dwarf Fortress), and also pretty much anything going back to even 2011. So I guess the goal would be to be able to play current titles like Fallout 4, XCOM 2, etc. on mid settings in 1080p. I’ll also need some computing power for Matlab stuff in the near future (math student with master thesis coming up here), so a good CPU would be nice, what with Matlab supporting multiple threads fairly well. Everything else should be covered in the rationale below.

Budget: I can live with where I am now, considering I’ll still need to get a monitor, which is likely to end up being some €100 thing. I guess I could justify going up to €750, mainly if there’s a better/more stable HD out there.


[url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/rTfTGX]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/rTfTGX/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590]Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (€201.90 @ Caseking)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97manniversary]ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] (€75.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx316c10fk28]Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] (€44.36 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex]Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (€51.45 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r93802gd5toc]MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card[/url] (€209.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (€51.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/be-quiet-power-supply-bn181]be quiet! 530W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (€79.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
[b]Total:[/b] €715.29
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 13:14 CET+0100[/i]


Rationale for part choices:
4590: As said above, I’d like a reasonably powerful CPU, and by the time I’ll upgrade the CPU, I’ll probably also need to replace the motherboard and RAM for socket reasons, so the 4590 seemed like a sensible choice. Matlab and other computation software is also multithreaded pretty well, so the quad-core makes sense.

Mobo: I can’t really make an informed decision on this one. As far as I can tell, the benefits of higher end motherboards are overclocking capabilities (which I don’t want to do), more PCIe slots (although any board should support what I’m going to use) and support for stuff like DDR4 RAM (which would be nice to have, but not enough of a priority to spend a lot of money now instead of upgrading later). Is there any reason I shouldn’t just get the cheapest µATX board I can get?

RAM: 8GB seems like enough, and the manufacturer appears to be popular in this thread and elsewhere.

HD: I’ve been reading about WD drive failures being a common thing, but I don’t really know which manufacturer makes good drives in that price range. So ???

380: As far as current games go, this seems like the sweet spot where you get good performance with only slight limitations as far as setting go, if you’re not on 1440p or higher. The 380X isn’t available in Germany yet as far as I can tell, but ultimately I probably wouldn’t be able to justify the higher price point anyway.

Case: Seeing as this is my first build, getting something that’s easy to build in should be a priority, and from the things I read this is the case with this case. Otherwise, I can’t really tell what makes one case better than another, so there’s probably a cheaper alternative out there that’s just as good.

PSU: Again, this being my first build made me reach for a semi-modular PSU, and the wattage should be enough for any future upgrades. The brand seems to have a fairly good reputation, so that’s basically what I went off of.

Upgrade path: I’m fairly confident this rig should be capable of running newer titles for the next ~1.5 years, by which time I might look into upgrading the GPU and at some point the CPU+mobo+RAM. I’ll think about that when I’m unhappy with the performance I get though.

[/spoiler]
1005
#1005
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#1004
I'd go with Skylake, CPU prices should be pretty much the same now, DDR4 would be around the same price at the same speed (although you'd go with 2400 instead 1600MHz so slightly more expensive) and the new chipset features are worth the slight premium on the mobos imho. Bonus: LGA1151 will be around for a while, Kaby Lake in 2016 and Cannonlake in 2017 will still be using it, so only if you upgrade after summer 2018 you'd need a new mobo.
CPUs don't change that much so a more normal upgrade cycle instead of 1.5 years would be around 5-6 years for CPU + mobo + RAM (maybe complete build) and replacing the GPU 2 or 3 times (so every 2-3 years) during that.

pcpartpicker doesn't know a lot of shops outside of US/CA/AUS so this is far more expensive than it needs to be.

CPU and therefore mobo and RAM replaced, some parts swapped for equivalent and/or cheaper and/or better parts.

CPU: i5-6500. Performance should be about the same, but Skylake which got DDR4 support (Haswell doesn't) and is on LGA1151. which got chipset with some more features than LGA1150 did.

Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H. The main point of a mobo is that it connects everything. ATX vs µATX pretty much only means more PCIe/PCI slots, not really a concern if you're not going to use multiple GPUs or lots of other cards. You get e.g. SATA Express and M.2 and DDR4. I'm not sure if you understood that correctly because of the way you worded it. The i5-4590 (or Haswell in general) doesn't support DDR4, so you wouldn't have been able to upgrade. DDR4 isn't much more expensive than DDR3 so upgrading (=buying twice) would be more expensive anyway. Either way though mobos only support DDR3 or DDR4, not both (there are some exceptions but you'd pay extra for that). Replacing mobo and RAM just to get DDR4 definitely isn't worth it. It's still within budget so I went with DDR4.

RAM: See mobo. 2x 4GB 2400MHz CL15 or better, standard stuff. Brands don't matter, only specs and price do. This isn't server stuff with FB/R/LR DIMMs where you have to pay attention to compatibility lists. Even mix and match would work. This is tied to the mobo as well, but 2 DIMMs for Dual Channel and a mobo with 4 slots so you could in theory still upgrade if you ever need to just by adding 2 more with the same (or at least similar) specs instead of having to replace them with 2 of twice the capacity.

HDD: Not sure where you read that about reliability. Most HDDs with similar age and specs will perform pretty much the same since all 3 manufacturers that are left (Seagate, Western Digital, Toshiba) use very similar sometimes even the same technology. E.g. WD bought Hitachi, now HGST, another part of Hitachi went to Toshiba and all of them including Seagate buy some of their stuff, platters, sometimes even tech like read/write heads from SDK and TDK.
Back to reliability. Average life expectancy for an HDD is said to be 5-6 years. All HDDs will fail eventually and you should expect them to do so. An average of 6 years doesn't mean all HDDs will live that long. Some will fail almost immediately, some after 1 years, some last 3 and so on. There's nothing you can do about that. What you should do instead is backing up anything that you can't afford to lose. That reduces the impact of an HDD failure from "catastrophic" to merely "annoying".
The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST1000DM003) is usually cheaper than the WD Blue and performs as well or better. But you might not need it, keep reading.

SSD: The surprise guest. You can afford it (trust me, you'll see). The far lower boot / program start times are worth it.
The Samsung 850 Evo 250GB is the default recommendation. If you don't need more than 250GB for now you could ditch the HDD alltogether. You can always add an HDD (or multiple) later. Getting an SSD later and having to reinstall Windows is a pain in the ass.

GPU: Yep, 380 is where it's at. 1080p Ultra 60fps in FO4 isn't exactly limited and the price is great. Asus Strix, "bonus": it uses 1 8pin instead of 2 6pin connectors, you'll see why that's a bonus soon.

Case: N200. It doesn't have a lot of room for cable management behind the mobo tray but it's hard to find anything better at that price, which is why it's still my default budget recommendation.

PSU: There's two things I don't agree with here. First of all it's a 360W build. Even a Fury X would only push it to 450W. So scale down on the wattage a bit and save some money. Secondly the N200 does have a lot of space in front of the PSU. Now think about which cables you could even take off. Mobo and PCIe power connectors will all be in use. You'll need one for the HDD and/or SSD. That leaves one or two SATA power cables that you could remove. Is it worth paying 20€ for that? Not really.
About brands: Again brands don't matter, but for a different reason. Be quiet doesn't build any PSUs. HEC, FSP and Seasonic do that for them. Yes, there's the customer support, but I'd rather get a good PSU and never have to deal with CS instead of having great CS that replaces the PSU 3 times no questions asked because it keeps dying. One thing to keep in mind is that while the manufacturer is important for what they can do in terms of the uppoer limit of performance, quality and quality control they'll only do what they are paid for. So if a "brand" tries to increase their profit margin bad things can happen. An example would be the Corsair RM series, two full recalls on the Chicony models because they kept overheating (3rd revision built by CWT) and lackluster QC on the CWT models on top of mediocre performance and overinflated price. Compare that with the RMi (slightly overpriced) and RMx, both built by CWT and pretty darn good.
Back on topic there's some better, far cheaper although non-modular Seasonic models. It was Seasonic by the way who built the top of the line models that earned be quiet their reputation, whereas the L8 CM line is built by FSP and HEC. Skylake and DDR4 mean even lower power consumption and since the 380 Strix only needs one 1 8pin PCIe power connector you can get away with a Seasonic S12II-350. The downside is that you can't really upgrade to any GPUs above 200W. Those wouldn't really be midrange/sweetspot anymore so I doubt you'll do that. If you'd still like the option there's the S12II-430, but it is more expensive.

Here's the list:
CPU: i5-6500 203,49€
Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H 80,12€
RAM: 8GB 2400MHz CL15 46,12€
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 44,84€
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB 77,06€
GPU: Asus Strix R9 380 189,08€
Case: N200 44,41€
PSU: Seasonic S12II-350 36,45€ or
Seasonic S12II-430 50,83€
Total: 721,57€ (350W) or
735,95€ (430W)
Used mindfactory prices.

#1004
I'd go with Skylake, CPU prices should be pretty much the same now, DDR4 would be around the same price at the same speed (although you'd go with 2400 instead 1600MHz so slightly more expensive) and the new chipset features are worth the slight premium on the mobos imho. Bonus: LGA1151 will be around for a while, Kaby Lake in 2016 and Cannonlake in 2017 will still be using it, so only if you upgrade after summer 2018 you'd need a new mobo.
CPUs don't change that much so a more normal upgrade cycle instead of 1.5 years would be around 5-6 years for CPU + mobo + RAM (maybe complete build) and replacing the GPU 2 or 3 times (so every 2-3 years) during that.

pcpartpicker doesn't know a lot of shops outside of US/CA/AUS so this is far more expensive than it needs to be.

CPU and therefore mobo and RAM replaced, some parts swapped for equivalent and/or cheaper and/or better parts.

CPU: i5-6500. Performance should be about the same, but Skylake which got DDR4 support (Haswell doesn't) and is on LGA1151. which got chipset with some more features than LGA1150 did.

Mobo: GA-B150M-D3H. The main point of a mobo is that it connects everything. ATX vs µATX pretty much only means more PCIe/PCI slots, not really a concern if you're not going to use multiple GPUs or lots of other cards. You get e.g. SATA Express and M.2 and DDR4. I'm not sure if you understood that correctly because of the way you worded it. The i5-4590 (or Haswell in general) doesn't support DDR4, so you wouldn't have been able to upgrade. DDR4 isn't much more expensive than DDR3 so upgrading (=buying twice) would be more expensive anyway. Either way though mobos only support DDR3 or DDR4, not both (there are some exceptions but you'd pay extra for that). Replacing mobo and RAM just to get DDR4 definitely isn't worth it. It's still within budget so I went with DDR4.

RAM: See mobo. 2x 4GB 2400MHz CL15 or better, standard stuff. Brands don't matter, only specs and price do. This isn't server stuff with FB/R/LR DIMMs where you have to pay attention to compatibility lists. Even mix and match would work. This is tied to the mobo as well, but 2 DIMMs for Dual Channel and a mobo with 4 slots so you could in theory still upgrade if you ever need to just by adding 2 more with the same (or at least similar) specs instead of having to replace them with 2 of twice the capacity.

HDD: Not sure where you read that about reliability. Most HDDs with similar age and specs will perform pretty much the same since all 3 manufacturers that are left (Seagate, Western Digital, Toshiba) use very similar sometimes even the same technology. E.g. WD bought Hitachi, now HGST, another part of Hitachi went to Toshiba and all of them including Seagate buy some of their stuff, platters, sometimes even tech like read/write heads from SDK and TDK.
Back to reliability. Average life expectancy for an HDD is said to be 5-6 years. All HDDs will fail eventually and you should expect them to do so. An average of 6 years doesn't mean all HDDs will live that long. Some will fail almost immediately, some after 1 years, some last 3 and so on. There's nothing you can do about that. What you should do instead is backing up anything that you can't afford to lose. That reduces the impact of an HDD failure from "catastrophic" to merely "annoying".
The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST1000DM003) is usually cheaper than the WD Blue and performs as well or better. But you might not need it, keep reading.

SSD: The surprise guest. You can afford it (trust me, you'll see). The far lower boot / program start times are worth it.
The Samsung 850 Evo 250GB is the default recommendation. If you don't need more than 250GB for now you could ditch the HDD alltogether. You can always add an HDD (or multiple) later. Getting an SSD later and having to reinstall Windows is a pain in the ass.

GPU: Yep, 380 is where it's at. 1080p Ultra 60fps in FO4 isn't exactly limited and the price is great. Asus Strix, "bonus": it uses 1 8pin instead of 2 6pin connectors, you'll see why that's a bonus soon.

Case: N200. It doesn't have a lot of room for cable management behind the mobo tray but it's hard to find anything better at that price, which is why it's still my default budget recommendation.

PSU: There's two things I don't agree with here. First of all it's a 360W build. Even a Fury X would only push it to 450W. So scale down on the wattage a bit and save some money. Secondly the N200 does have a lot of space in front of the PSU. Now think about which cables you could even take off. Mobo and PCIe power connectors will all be in use. You'll need one for the HDD and/or SSD. That leaves one or two SATA power cables that you could remove. Is it worth paying 20€ for that? Not really.
About brands: Again brands don't matter, but for a different reason. Be quiet doesn't build any PSUs. HEC, FSP and Seasonic do that for them. Yes, there's the customer support, but I'd rather get a good PSU and never have to deal with CS instead of having great CS that replaces the PSU 3 times no questions asked because it keeps dying. One thing to keep in mind is that while the manufacturer is important for what they can do in terms of the uppoer limit of performance, quality and quality control they'll only do what they are paid for. So if a "brand" tries to increase their profit margin bad things can happen. An example would be the Corsair RM series, two full recalls on the Chicony models because they kept overheating (3rd revision built by CWT) and lackluster QC on the CWT models on top of mediocre performance and overinflated price. Compare that with the RMi (slightly overpriced) and RMx, both built by CWT and pretty darn good.
Back on topic there's some better, far cheaper although non-modular Seasonic models. It was Seasonic by the way who built the top of the line models that earned be quiet their reputation, whereas the L8 CM line is built by FSP and HEC. Skylake and DDR4 mean even lower power consumption and since the 380 Strix only needs one 1 8pin PCIe power connector you can get away with a Seasonic S12II-350. The downside is that you can't really upgrade to any GPUs above 200W. Those wouldn't really be midrange/sweetspot anymore so I doubt you'll do that. If you'd still like the option there's the S12II-430, but it is more expensive.

Here's the list:
CPU: [url=http://geizhals.de/intel-core-i5-6500-bx80662i56500-a1290386.html]i5-6500[/url] 203,49€
Mobo: [url=http://geizhals.de/gigabyte-ga-b150m-d3h-a1318801.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]GA-B150M-D3H[/url] 80,12€
RAM: [url=http://geizhals.de/g-skill-value-4-dimm-kit-8gb-f4-2400c15d-8gnt-a1324295.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]8GB 2400MHz CL15[/url] 46,12€
HDD: [url=http://geizhals.de/seagate-desktop-hdd-1tb-st1000dm003-a686480.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]Seagate Barracuda 1TB[/url] 44,84€
SSD: [url=http://geizhals.de/samsung-ssd-850-evo-250gb-mz-75e250b-a1194261.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]Samsung 850 Evo 250GB[/url] 77,06€
GPU: [url=http://geizhals.de/asus-strix-r9380-dc2oc-2gd5-gaming-90yv08d0-m0na00-a1282736.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]Asus Strix R9 380[/url] 189,08€
Case: [url=http://geizhals.de/cooler-master-n200-nse-200-kkn1-a919524.html]N200[/url] 44,41€
PSU: [url=http://geizhals.de/seasonic-s12ii-350-350w-atx-2-3-a1261409.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]Seasonic S12II-350[/url] 36,45€ or
[url=http://geizhals.de/seasonic-s12ii-430bronze-430w-atx-2-2-a431169.html?hloc=at&hloc=de]Seasonic S12II-430[/url] 50,83€
Total: 721,57€ (350W) or
735,95€ (430W)
Used mindfactory prices.
1006
#1006
0 Frags +

So the price of the psu went up and my friend of wondered if this build would still work well
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($32.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $461.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 14:51 EST-0500

So the price of the psu went up and my friend of wondered if this build would still work well
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BQNhhM]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BQNhhM/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($198.75 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($78.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42800c16d8grr]G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory[/url] ($46.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r72652gd5oc]MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card[/url] ($103.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-vp450]Antec 450W ATX Power Supply[/url] ($32.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Total:[/b] $461.70
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 14:51 EST-0500[/i]
1007
#1007
2 Frags +

#1006
RAM seems to have gone up too so I replaced it as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Enermax 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $460.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 15:11 EST-0500

#1006
RAM seems to have gone up too so I replaced it as well.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RByYvK]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RByYvK/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($198.75 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-b150mpro4s]ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gvr]G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($44.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r72652gd5oc]MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card[/url] ($103.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/enermax-power-supply-etl450awtm]Enermax 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($34.00 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $460.71
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 15:11 EST-0500[/i]
1008
#1008
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Need help!

A surge has taken out my pc. I have tested the psu and it's dead. No 5v or 12v lives. So I just purchased a new GTX 970 and corsair cx 750w.. Plugged in etc, and I have found my motherboard was also fried (thought this might be the case!) and appears my ram is gone too. As a result, I'm going to upgrade.

So.. With my new video card and psu, I'm now needing to get a new motherboard, CPU and ram.

My pc was an i7 2700k, and I have a NAS with 2 x 4tb in a raid set up. For my o/s I have an SSD and another ssd for my games and photo editing. So it's really just the motherboard and CPU / ram that I need to upgrade.

Any recommendations? Haven't upgraded in years as the 2700k was such a beast.

I am not keen on overclocking but I'd rather get something decent and have it last a few years. New gen gear, preferably.

Thank you chaps! Price range isn't too much of an issue, just good value for performance etc.

Need help!

A surge has taken out my pc. I have tested the psu and it's dead. No 5v or 12v lives. So I just purchased a new GTX 970 and corsair cx 750w.. Plugged in etc, and I have found my motherboard was also fried (thought this might be the case!) and appears my ram is gone too. As a result, I'm going to upgrade.

So.. With my new video card and psu, I'm now needing to get a new motherboard, CPU and ram.

My pc was an i7 2700k, and I have a NAS with 2 x 4tb in a raid set up. For my o/s I have an SSD and another ssd for my games and photo editing. So it's really just the motherboard and CPU / ram that I need to upgrade.

Any recommendations? Haven't upgraded in years as the 2700k was such a beast.

I am not keen on overclocking but I'd rather get something decent and have it last a few years. New gen gear, preferably.

Thank you chaps! Price range isn't too much of an issue, just good value for performance etc.
1009
#1009
2 Frags +
DairoseSo I just purchased a new GTX 970Dairosecorsair cx 750w.Dairosejust good value for performance etc.

We might have different definitions of that.
I mean apart from the 390 usually being the better choice, in what world is the CX750 good value for performance? It got neither good performance, nor is it cheaper than some competing PSUs, some of which are performing better as well.
And then there's buying a 750W PSU for a <300W build. Are you really expecting to get good value out of this?

Anyway
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($135.00 @ CPL Online)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($78.00 @ IJK)
Total: $538.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-22 03:23 AEDT+1100
or i7-6700 if you think you'd benefit from Hyperthreading.

[quote=Dairose]So I just purchased a new GTX 970[/quote]
[quote=Dairose]corsair cx 750w.[/quote]
[quote=Dairose]just good value for performance etc.[/quote]
We might have different definitions of that.
I mean apart from the 390 usually being the better choice, in what world is the CX750 good value for performance? It got neither good performance, nor is it cheaper than some competing PSUs, some of which are performing better as well.
And then there's buying a 750W PSU for a <300W build. Are you really expecting to get good value out of this?

Anyway
[url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/6GcGQ7]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/6GcGQ7/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($325.00 @ PCCaseGear)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($135.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gvr]G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($78.00 @ IJK)
[b]Total:[/b] $538.00
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-22 03:23 AEDT+1100[/i]
or i7-6700 if you think you'd benefit from Hyperthreading.
1010
#1010
2 Frags +

#1005
Thanks so much, that made everything much clearer. I did know about the DDR4/newer mobos relationship, but everything else was new to me and hugely helpful. I'll report back when I've got the rig running.

#1005
Thanks so much, that made everything much clearer. I did know about the DDR4/newer mobos relationship, but everything else was new to me and hugely helpful. I'll report back when I've got the rig running.
1011
#1011
2 Frags +

Christmas is here and I'm ready to upgrade my PC!
Budget is $1200 but I could stretch to $1500, looking for the best future proofed PC I can get for TF2/CS but also some demanding games like Overwatch and Star Wars Battlefront. I'm gonna keep my 270x, Corsair CX 600M and 2x 1TB HDD's (Running Raid 1, not sure if this is a problem for further HDD/SSD's), but I'll also need a new HDD/SSD cause I'm running out of space. I plan on overclocking so will need a CPU cooler and also a new case cause the current one is damaged. Thanks!

Christmas is here and I'm ready to upgrade my PC!
Budget is $1200 but I could stretch to $1500, looking for the best future proofed PC I can get for TF2/CS but also some demanding games like Overwatch and Star Wars Battlefront. I'm gonna keep my 270x, Corsair CX 600M and 2x 1TB HDD's (Running Raid 1, not sure if this is a problem for further HDD/SSD's), but I'll also need a new HDD/SSD cause I'm running out of space. I plan on overclocking so will need a CPU cooler and also a new case cause the current one is damaged. Thanks!
1012
#1012
0 Frags +

im looking to upgrade from my fx-6100 cpu and ASUSTeK M5A97 mobo
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600
pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h

i saw these in earlier posts by setsul, what kind of performance would i get from this cpu? + im buying a 750 from a friend

im looking to upgrade from my fx-6100 cpu and ASUSTeK M5A97 mobo
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600
pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h

i saw these in earlier posts by setsul, what kind of performance would i get from this cpu? + im buying a 750 from a friend
1013
#1013
1 Frags +

#1011
How are you running that RAID 1, software or hardware?
How much space do you need? 250GB SSD for OS? How many TB for the new HDD(s)?
Overwatch and Battlefront aren't demanding games, so might be able to get away with that 270X. You won't quite get 60fps average on Ultra though, drops obviously lower. For actually demanding games you'd definitely have to get a better GPU or drop down to mid settings.

Future proofing doesn't exist. That said the CPU should still last you a couple of years.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($355.00 @ Centre Com)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.00 @ CPL Online)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($189.00 @ IJK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($78.00 @ IJK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.00 @ Centre Com)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($61.00)
Total: $911.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-22 21:32 AEDT+1100

#1012
Not sure what you want me to say. Performance in what? In single threaded CPU bound tasks (TF2) it should be extremely good, multithreaded (rendering/streaming) still very good and probably more than you'll ever need. Other games which are GPU bound the CPU doesn't really matter if it's not garbage but the 750 might not cut it.
It depends on what you're going to use all of this for.

#1011
How are you running that RAID 1, software or hardware?
How much space do you need? 250GB SSD for OS? How many TB for the new HDD(s)?
Overwatch and Battlefront aren't demanding games, so might be able to get away with that 270X. You won't quite get 60fps average on Ultra though, drops obviously lower. For actually demanding games you'd definitely have to get a better GPU or drop down to mid settings.

Future proofing doesn't exist. That said the CPU should still last you a couple of years.

[url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/nqT8pg]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/nqT8pg/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600k]Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($355.00 @ Centre Com)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14]Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($99.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz170md3h]Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($189.00 @ IJK)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gvr]G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($78.00 @ IJK)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($129.00 @ Centre Com)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($61.00)
[b]Total:[/b] $911.00
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-22 21:32 AEDT+1100[/i]

#1012
Not sure what you want me to say. Performance in what? In single threaded CPU bound tasks (TF2) it should be extremely good, multithreaded (rendering/streaming) still very good and probably more than you'll ever need. Other games which are GPU bound the CPU doesn't really matter if it's not garbage but the 750 might not cut it.
It depends on what you're going to use all of this for.
1014
#1014
0 Frags +
Setsul#1011
How are you running that RAID 1, software or hardware?

The two 1TB HDD's where set up that way from the bios so hardware I assume?
I have 180GB left on my HDD's so a 250GB SSD should be plenty for now, my only concern is if RAID will interfere with any new HDD's I get.

[quote=Setsul]#1011
How are you running that RAID 1, software or hardware?
[/quote]


The two 1TB HDD's where set up that way from the bios so hardware I assume?
I have 180GB left on my HDD's so a 250GB SSD should be plenty for now, my only concern is if RAID will interfere with any new HDD's I get.
1015
#1015
0 Frags +

#1014
RAID doesn't interfere with other HDDs, but if you want to use those HDDs in the new pc you'll obviously have to use the same raid controller or they won't be readable.
I'm not sure what you'd need raid for and why you'd use hardware raid instead of software raid.

#1014
RAID doesn't interfere with other HDDs, but if you want to use those HDDs in the new pc you'll obviously have to use the same raid controller or they won't be readable.
I'm not sure what you'd need raid for and why you'd use hardware raid instead of software raid.
1016
#1016
0 Frags +
Setsul#804
Witcher 3 sets the GPU minimum, ~380/285.
Dolphin is pretty much only single threaded iirc.
In terms of multi threaded an i3 should be enough. The 6320 isn't available yet, so the 6300 would have to do.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6300 3.8GHz Dual-Core Processor ($156.97 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($86.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($172.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $644.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 15:38 EST-0500

The only upgrades that make sense, if you don't need/want any more/faster storage would be an i5 and a 380X once it's released.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($86.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Other: 380X ($250.00)
Total: $780.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 15:42 EST-0500

EDIT:
#805
He'll have to replace the PSU. If it is the model I think it is max 180W on +12V rail, it can't handle adding a GPU.
The CPU will have to do for now.
I'm not sure what the prices are like for you, but 260X (maybe a bit better) + PSU should be possible.

#806
How much storage do you need? With this budget it's rather significant.
TF2 > Dolphin? Or do you need more than 60fps, because for Dolphin overclocking a G3258 would be the best option, for TF2 you'd want an i3.

late response, but yes tf2 is a higher priority to run well than dolphin for me and i want more than 60 fps for tf2.

also this for context since its been a long time

indecencyhi i have 450 bucks
i wanna run tf2 AND MELEE at maximum potential that 400-450 bucks can get me
give computer help

would also like to have one with an APU since it will last me a long time

a computer without an APU or not is optional to me, whichever choice would get me better performance would be fine.

[quote=Setsul]#804
Witcher 3 sets the GPU minimum, ~380/285.
Dolphin is pretty much only single threaded iirc.
In terms of multi threaded an i3 should be enough. The 6320 isn't available yet, so the 6300 would have to do.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RWwwBm]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RWwwBm/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i36300]Intel Core i3-6300 3.8GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($156.97 @ Amazon)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($76.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($47.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($86.97 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($42.50 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9380p4255]XFX Radeon R9 380 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card[/url] ($172.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500m]Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $644.37
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 15:38 EST-0500[/i]

The only upgrades that make sense, if you don't need/want any more/faster storage would be an i5 and a 380X once it's released.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/k9Z47P]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/k9Z47P/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($76.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42400c15d8gnt]G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($47.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($86.97 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($42.50 @ Amazon)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500m]Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Other:[/b] 380X ($250.00)
[b]Total:[/b] $780.41
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 15:42 EST-0500[/i]

EDIT:
#805
He'll have to replace the PSU. If it is the model I think it is max 180W on +12V rail, it can't handle adding a GPU.
The CPU will have to do for now.
I'm not sure what the prices are like for you, but 260X (maybe a bit better) + PSU should be possible.

#806
How much storage do you need? With this budget it's rather significant.
TF2 > Dolphin? Or do you need more than 60fps, because for Dolphin overclocking a G3258 would be the best option, for TF2 you'd want an i3.[/quote]

late response, but yes tf2 is a higher priority to run well than dolphin for me and i want more than 60 fps for tf2.

also this for context since its been a long time
[quote=indecency]hi i have 450 bucks
i wanna run tf2 AND MELEE at maximum potential that 400-450 bucks can get me
give computer help

would also like to have one with an APU since it will last me a long time[/quote]
a computer without an APU or not is optional to me, whichever choice would get me better performance would be fine.
1017
#1017
0 Frags +

i just did this thing: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZG2tvK
the sandisk is actually a 256gb ssd/1tb hdd combo drive
other fancy shit not shown
bought cyberpowerpc
should arrive in the new year

!

i just did this thing: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZG2tvK
the sandisk is actually a 256gb ssd/1tb hdd combo drive
other fancy shit not shown
bought cyberpowerpc
should arrive in the new year



!
1018
#1018
0 Frags +

yo yo yo yo i need help, how good would this PC be for tf2 gaming and maybe melee then? what performance would i be expecting if i did buy this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nKWhhM

yo yo yo yo i need help, how good would this PC be for tf2 gaming and maybe melee then? what performance would i be expecting if i did buy this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nKWhhM
1019
#1019
0 Frags +

#1016
Why do you quote a full post every time? Delete the part that's not relevant.

#1016/#1018
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($111.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-E45 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.80 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $458.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-23 05:42 EST-0500

Could go with only SSD or HDD for a lower total.
As always performance depends on settings.

#1017
99% sure that's just a normal SSD and a normal HDD.
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40038

#1016
Why do you quote a full post every time? Delete the part that's not relevant.

#1016/#1018
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dXtVxr]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dXtVxr/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34170]Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] ($111.99 @ NCIX US)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-b85me45]MSI B85M-E45 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbxl]G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e120bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($67.80 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr92702gbd5tdheoc]PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card[/url] ($89.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430]Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($19.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $458.51
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-23 05:42 EST-0500[/i]

Could go with only SSD or HDD for a lower total.
As always performance depends on settings.

#1017
99% sure that's just a normal SSD and a normal HDD.
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40038
1020
#1020
-1 Frags +

I got a budget of 500 dollars, just need the actually computer, i have all my peripherials and jazz

i want to play tf2 / csgo without worry

I got a budget of 500 dollars, just need the actually computer, i have all my peripherials and jazz

i want to play tf2 / csgo without worry
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